What Eric Anderson Sees in the Throes of Ecstasy
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 1:06am
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City Manager Eric Anderson outlined some of the caveats associated with using the money to develop the site. According to the report (published verbatim here):
-- Developers would not be able to use the $700,000 grant because State funds cannot be used for a private purpose. The Washington State Constitution prohibits the lending of public credit for private gain. The Governor's Strategic Reserve Fund is to be used for publicly-owned infrastructure needed to assure job retention or creation;
-- Construction of a two-level parking structure is estimated to cost $3.3 million to construct with a projected 30-year payback if stalls are leased at $125 per stall. This approach limits future building development because it lacks flexibility. It pre-determines the size and configuration of the future building footprint and may not allow for a larger building to be constructed;
-- It is unlikely the City would yield the highest return on investment if the property were sold in 2010 for parking. It would forego the future value of the property when the economy recovers as well as the potential to negotiate quality development with significant tax base and job creation. It is conceivable that parking alone would remain during the long-term or a one- or two-story structure be built on the site, which would not support the highest and best use;
-- RFPs are time-consuming and do not guarantee there will be qualified responses. If the City intends to retain the $700,000 grant, it must begin its planning on the selected design alternative by the end of July in order to complete all work by June 30, 2011, which is the State contractual deadline.
Also, the money needed to be used by the end of this year or else they would be lost.
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 1:07am
by fredo on 2/22/2011 @ 7:45am
|I'm as concerned with the city turning into a big parking lot as you are. I'm not sure the main culprit is City Manager Eric Anderson however.
I would cite the high cost of maintaining vacant buildings and specifically the high cost of labor. When minimum wage employees make $25,000 and drivers for the city utilitites, buses, and garbage routes make $65,000, the cost of keeping these places well-maintained is really off the charts.
The people who continually drive the cost of labor up by voting for minimum wage increases, and voting for politicians who jack up the price of labor are really creating a climate that is corrosive to the stock of old buildings in our fine city.
by fredo on 2/22/2011 @ 7:47am
|and no, I'm not going to consent to a live debate to be shown on you-tube. Thats so 2010.|
by ChrisTopher on 2/22/2011 @ 7:50am
|OMG! Well done.(?) Umm...I mean, yeah sure the cartoon works. I guess that's how you drive a point home. (so to speak) Despite it's brash approach, I stand behind you on this one. (so to speak). But Fredo has a point too. I scanned over some the lnks posted above and saw that there were more people involved. Perhaps an orgy would be more appropriate, with everyone fantasizing about how the decision would keep their own monetary interests in order.|
by Jesse on 2/22/2011 @ 7:56am
|That is freakin' hilarious RR!! I bet this is being enjoyed and passed around at city hall today.|
Built for cars and parking = suburbs
Built for lots of people = city
What's so hard about that? (No pun intended)
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 8:31am
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 8:33am
|Thank you sirs. I had intended to put the o&J parking & old Tacomics up in the frames you see there in the bedroom wall but got distracted on the grotesque lummox hair... oh well.|
by captiveyak on 2/22/2011 @ 8:40am
|The city suffers from unintended results of desperately-constructed policy.
And yes, if the workers of the world would stop enslaving all of us enterprising economic powerhouses, everything would be just freaking dandy. That's absolutely correct. Losers! We need to be protected from them, or else they'll... i don't know... perhaps figure out that success has just as much to do with effort as luck?
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 9:26am
|yes. I too am flabbergasted with the minimum wage comment... ?|
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 2/22/2011 @ 11:01am
|My eyeballs are on fire!!!|
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 11:29am
|exit 133.com reader feedback...
I am actually disappointed by this one. Itís both needlessly crass and a simple recycling of old material.
You have reached a new low and not in a good way.
Eye Bleach please.
26 | Posted by ohhh my eyes!!! | Feb 22, 11:11 AM
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RR Commentary: that's a first!
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 11:30am
|bet TRUE GRIT never gets called out like that.|
by cisserosmiley on 2/22/2011 @ 11:37am
|i love it, it's needlessly crass, i love that.|
by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 2/22/2011 @ 11:43am
|Free Parking in the Rear?|
by fredo on 2/22/2011 @ 11:50am
|Your Kartoon was kind of funny. I seem to remember a similar drawing about our County Prosecutor.
I'd like to illustrate my previous comment about the economics which produce parking lots.
Let's say you have an old VCR at home. You don't use it much because it doesn't work very well. You take it to the repair shop and find out it's going to cost $150 to repair. Even though you'd like to have it fixed the cost is just too high. So you just scrap it.
This is just what happens on these old buildings. They still have a certain amount of utility left in them, but as the estimated cost of repair and maintenance work escalates the decision to tear down becomes more attractive. A parking lot is essentially an old VCR that someone gave up on.
Don't like this scenerio? Then work to make repair and maintenance work less expensive. It will pay great dividends in the future and preservationists will thank you.
by captiveyak on 2/22/2011 @ 11:57am
|Fredo, you raise an excellent point. I've spoken with folks from Historic Tacoma about the upcoming code revisions for historic preservation in the city. While they welcome these changes, their concerns are that economic limitations may keep building owners from taking the steps necessary to preserve our historic treasures. So, what can be done? HT is working to find programs and grants that may be helpful and finding ways to present them into the business community. There are also still rumblings about Development Authorities. Personally, I am starting to come around to approving of that idea.
After all, with proper motivation, absurd expense and risk rarely prevents investment - otherwise offshore exploration/drilling would not exist. If a massive profit can be turned by a guy making fart and sex jokes on sattelite radio, a historic building can be made to turn a profit as well. It's all a matter of values and perspective - just as much as risk and cost-benefit.
by The Jinxmedic on 2/22/2011 @ 12:23pm
|Be glad they don't think like this in Europe. The whole continent would be a parking lot.|
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 12:30pm
|What kind of VCR are we talking about here... Top loader? Front Loader? What?|
by fredo on 2/22/2011 @ 12:50pm
|"After all, with proper motivation, absurd expense and risk rarely prevents investment" - captiveyak
How does that seem to be working? Can you mention some historic properties from around Tacoma which have attracted investors?
And would properties with lower preservation costs be more likely or less likely to attract investment?
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 1:08pm
|Historic Brutalist vintage 70's North Park Plaza|
by Jesse on 2/22/2011 @ 1:18pm
|Please tell me we aren't talking about the minimum wage again... please...|
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 1:21pm
|Yes, minimum wage for the Top loading VCR!!!!! Just go with the flow.|
by cisserosmiley on 2/22/2011 @ 1:24pm
|"proper motivation" in an investment scenario is of course PROFIT...but there is a danger advertising your town as a "cheap place" so i would like everyone to stop saying it is cheap to buy here and instead do what you need to have investment capital of your own. tacoma's citizens could own old buildings the way green bay wisconsin citizens own the packers nfl team.|
by cisserosmiley on 2/22/2011 @ 1:26pm
|packers are a publicly owned not for profit|
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 1:26pm
|we're going to fill the hole we just cleaned toxic chemicals out of with dirt to build a hella expensive surface parkinglot so we hold true to our word we gave to the president of DaVita that we would use our Russell money to buy them a parking lot and keep jobs in Tacoma or they will move to Federal Way where they would rather be to pay minimum wage to an undocumented worker to fix our VCR that will keep historical buildings in Tacoma standing.|
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 1:30pm
|Of course the disadvantage of the publicly owned top loading VCR is that when you hit 'eject' you might knock off your Nintendo from the entertainment center. That is why I endorse front loading VCRs in stylish black... I do not endorse the silver top loading VCR with optional wood grain decals.|
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 1:34pm
|REPEAL THE JOBS KILLING VCR PUBLIC OPTION DEATH PANELS! |
by fredo on 2/22/2011 @ 1:45pm
|The daVita/sauro's parking lot entanglement is just one incident in the continuing saga of historic buildings vs. parking lots.
In a an era where its much less expensive to demo a building and prepare the site for a parking lot, we should not be too surprised when that's exactly what happens. Is it related to wage rates? Of course it is. In Europe and in 3rd world countries where workers cost a few dollars a day, they keep lots of old buildings functioning and have few parking lots.
Now, turning to the important discussion of VCR's. The top loaders did have a design defect in that they were top loaders. You couldn't put your nintendo machine on top. But the front loaders had a defect of their own. Although adults knew the slot on the front was for cassettes, little kids thought that slot was a good place to put legos and oatmeal.
by L.S.Erhardt on 2/22/2011 @ 2:12pm
|It woulda been funnier if the parking lot was
2) where the Luzon used to be
I think the problem is bigger than Eric Anderson's wet dreams (RR, you NEED to send a copy or seven to the city council) and I don't think wages are the big issue. To maintain a privately owned, the market dictates those costs. I think what we have is a trifecta of:
1) bad policy (parking requirements, Murano issue, etc...)
2) crappy economy and zilch credit
3) poor perception of T-Town
by Nick on 2/22/2011 @ 2:31pm
|I don't think the problem has anything to do with parking lots, Eric Anderson, or minimum wage. I think it has to do with compounding consequences of poor (or a lack of) economic policy. Without fully understanding our city's economic policies, we can all see the effects of them:
Input: Lots of existing and prospective business owners looking to start or grow a business.
Output: A handful of mid-sized companies that are each too-big-to-lose. A dynamic that is leveraged by these companies to extort the city into spending public funds for their specific benefit.
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 3:06pm
|Eric Anderson is doing the best anyone can do with the resources available to him. I hope you like parking lots.|
by fredo on 2/22/2011 @ 3:21pm
|Goodbye city of destiny, hello Bell, California.|
by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2011 @ 5:03pm
|Creating a customer service culture of "yes."
The TACOMIC creates a customer service culture of "yes yes yes yes YES! "
by NineInchNachos on 2/23/2011 @ 1:01pm
|Dear Eric Anderson. It's never too late to say i'm sorry eh?
"Respect the right of all Americans to hold different opinions;
Avoid rhetoric intended to humiliate, de-legitimatize, or question the patriotism of those whose opinions are different from ours;
Strive to understand differing perspectives; Choose words carefully; Speak truthfully without accusation, and avoid distortion; Speak out against violence, prejudice, and incivility in all of their forms, whenever and wherever they occur."
Read more: blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2011/02...
by Mark Monlux on 3/1/2011 @ 7:47am
|I see Stowe's influence in the way your draw man-boobs.|
by NineInchNachos on 3/22/2011 @ 8:18am
|Eric Anderson makes lots of money!
by NineInchNachos on 3/28/2011 @ 4:22pm
|they're just going to dig all that out if anyone wants to build a sky scraper there in the future. Thanks Christine Gregoire! $700 K well spent! |
Maybe the Davita CEO who promised to stay in tacoma if they get a free parking lot can jump in that hole.
by Jesse on 3/28/2011 @ 4:42pm
|Every time I drive by this I think of this from the movie Vacation:
Ellen: I honestly don't think we're going to find the Grand Canyon on this road.
Clark: Jesus, it's only the biggest God-damn hole in the world.
Aunt Edna: Clark, watch your language!
Clark: Make that the second biggest.
by The Jinxmedic on 3/28/2011 @ 5:20pm
|What a waste of money.|
by NineInchNachos on 3/28/2011 @ 5:25pm
|are they using TAGRO I wonder?|
by fredo on 3/28/2011 @ 6:24pm
|It's the judicious use of taxpayers money which makes me so proud to be Tacoman, or is it Tacomanian?|
by ixia on 3/28/2011 @ 6:37pm
|Proly Asarco superfund dirt. Going down as the dumbest and most expensive hole-filling boondoggle in Tacoma. Anderson with his parking obsession has gone from joke to money wasting nonsense. Extremely hard to believe most of the council just said yes to this absurdity.
by fredo on 3/28/2011 @ 7:13pm
|Anderson works at the direction of the city council. If there's a parking lot there it's because of your 7 elected and 2 appointed council members. Four of these seats are up for election in November. Choose wisely grasshopper.|
by cisserosmiley on 3/28/2011 @ 7:39pm
|that is enough dirt to settle the kalakala on|
by NineInchNachos on 3/28/2011 @ 9:17pm
|is the hole deep enough for a Kalakala Ranch art display? (Cadillac Ranch)|
by NineInchNachos on 7/6/2011 @ 11:28pm
|can people see this? www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=160217894...
FEED TACOMA CITIZEN'S AUXILIARY COUNCIL RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY DEDICATION OF THE ERIC ANDERSON MEMORIAL $700,000.00 DAVITA PARKING LOT
WED: July 13th 12 Noon
1405 Pacific Ave
by NineInchNachos on 7/12/2011 @ 11:13pm
|see everybody tomorrow!|
by ixia on 7/12/2011 @ 11:17pm
|free parking yes?|
by NineInchNachos on 7/12/2011 @ 11:27pm
|would be a great social experiment !|
by NineInchNachos on 1/30/2012 @ 12:36pm
|dude where is my parking? www.exit133.com/6570/tacoma-dome-parking|