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posted Dec 10, 2012
Potty-mouth Ramtha loves Mars Hill Tacoma
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A keen summary of the Mars Hill Mega Church arrival in Tacoma can be found here at Camp666.  Also, I've been wanting to draw RAMTHA™ the 35,000 year old warrior spirit since the election.  Unsure if the 'school of enlightenment' has any settlements here in the City of Destiny but they should! This holiday season, lets bring all the wacky mega churches together for one big mega church crossover office holiday party... Just don't let Paul Schrag and Pastor Driscoll get into any fisticuffs.

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by cisserosmiley on 12/11/2012 @ 8:02am
It feels like there is $MONEY$ surrounding Tacoma, and WE will be changing a little here so that we can eat, send kids to school, buy a home. It would be nice for a giant liberal institution to bring money here, but jebus always did love tacomanians.

by NineInchNachos on 12/11/2012 @ 8:26am
we could be the gay marriage capitol of the mega church world.... but NOOOO.

by NineInchNachos on 12/11/2012 @ 8:30am

by fredo on 12/11/2012 @ 9:25am
These two groups are just funny.

But there is a dangerous religion which IS about to effect every person living in Tacoma. That religion is the CANOPY CULT. This group exists to strip every property right from every property owner in town. This religion works it's power by extolling the wonder of all things natural and beautiful, but the grand design is much more sinister.

by NineInchNachos on 12/11/2012 @ 9:27am
lumpy sidewalks? 

by fredo on 12/11/2012 @ 9:56am
Curiously, it WAS some broken sidewalks that first led me to discover the CANOPY CULT.
It's not unlike how a low level security guard at the Watergate hotel noticed some masking tape covering up an unlocked deadbolt on one of the offices. His discovery of something rather mundane eventually caused the President of the US to quit his office.

by cisserosmiley on 12/11/2012 @ 10:47am
Mars Hill said they will begin filling potholes in Tacoma streets ASAP!!!!!  

by NineInchNachos on 12/11/2012 @ 11:33am
so long as they do it in the most puritanical, non-gay way?

by cisserosmiley on 12/12/2012 @ 8:19am
Now the R74 people say they will fill pot holes.

by NineInchNachos on 12/13/2012 @ 8:22am

by cisserosmiley on 12/13/2012 @ 9:24am
I have heard the same list of dribble at least 6 times in the past 25 years. 

by NineInchNachos on 12/13/2012 @ 9:43am
you just got to BELIEVE! 

by fredo on 12/13/2012 @ 9:50am
"Additionally, the city provides an array of incentives for property owners, developers and investors: financing for equipment purchases, tax credits for housing development, historic tax credits for building restorations, access to in-house experts on the local real estate market, and guidance through the city’s development review process." Broadnax

Translation: tax breaks for multi millionaire developers so they can socialize their development costs. I didn't know the city council was closely aligned with the 1%.   

by scout on 12/13/2012 @ 10:13am
So the new thinking is that capitalism is bad, wrong, evil and the only acceptable politically correct economic model is begging for money and relying on the wise benevolence of our local and federal governments that are the ultimate arbiters of what is best for each of us.  

by NineInchNachos on 12/13/2012 @ 10:17am
the lord works in mysterious ways.   Ramtha will provide!

by scout on 12/13/2012 @ 10:23am
Sounds like sage economic advice to model for your son!

by fredo on 12/13/2012 @ 10:29am
If I were an outside developer considering a locale for my new business I would listen to a few city council meetings to learn if the city was being operated intelligently. This would cause most developers to bypass further consideration of Tacoma. I don't say that to hurt anyones feelings. The tenor of most council meetings is vitriolic anti-business in nature.

by scout on 12/13/2012 @ 10:45am
"Tenor of most council meetings"

- obsession with "affordable" local and federal housing schemes 

- hyper fear of taking a stand for fear of lawsuits to the point that additional lawsuits are born from council's revolving door of doing and undoing past mistakes - see history of Clear Channel 

by NineInchNachos on 12/13/2012 @ 10:52am
commercial enterprise is completely divorced from anything any city anywhere does or cares about.  Mr. Broadnax could have filled his article 100% with pages from a phone book.  NOBODY CARES...  Walmart Arises!

by cisserosmiley on 12/13/2012 @ 11:14am
The city of Tacoma should prioritize helping individual homeowners rehabilitate their residences. Not until every house in Tacoma is a HOME, should biz or DT be prioritized over the homeowners, residents & neighborhood investors of this village of destiny.

by scout on 12/13/2012 @ 11:19am
Residents and neighborhood investors are also local business owners.

Residents and neighborhood investors benefit from good city planning and leadership from a solid city council.

"Home" is in the heart of the beholder  

by scout on 12/13/2012 @ 11:20am

by cisserosmiley on 12/13/2012 @ 11:34am
Ya but Tacoma is in a regional urban competition it simply can NOT win. WE could however be a community with good home values & a BULLET FERRY TO SEATTLE. Village life here could continue with a few banks, services, food and shopkeepers. The rest of DT Tacoma should call Northwestern Mutual & rent space in the Seattle Russell building. Remaining businesses can use the Allstate/Edward jones model & locate in small spaces around the community. I suggest always looking for a coffee shop & a school nearby.

by JesseHillFan on 12/13/2012 @ 1:52pm
From cisserosmiley "The city of Tacoma should prioritize helping individual homeowners rehabilitate their residences. Not until every house in Tacoma is a HOME, should biz or DT be prioritized over the homeowners, residents & neighborhood investors of this village of destiny."

The City of Tacoma wants everyone to either buy a cardboard condo or pay rent and live in a townhouse apartment to benefit slime mold developers,crime slum lords or the crooked chamber of commerce.

by fredo on 12/13/2012 @ 2:15pm

The city of Tacoma is not going to assist HOMEOWNERS. hahahahaThey hate the idea of property ownership, and are working diligently to deprive folks of their basic property rights. A fundamental tenant of socialism is to separate people from the ownership of property so that there can be a collective use of the property.

by NineInchNachos on 12/13/2012 @ 2:35pm


by NineInchNachos on 12/13/2012 @ 2:37pm
man I miss you guys.

 I <3  commenters   unlike TNT who just wants to pick your pockets!

by scout on 12/13/2012 @ 3:16pm
and the commenters <3 and miss you too, RR

by cisserosmiley on 12/13/2012 @ 3:40pm
Mars Hill could buy the kala kala and hold services on Sunday, wednesday evenings, & late night Fridays, and run Tacoma-2-Seattle ferry service during commuter hours.

by NineInchNachos on 12/13/2012 @ 6:29pm
JEZUS is the kalakala's copilot

by NineInchNachos on 12/14/2012 @ 8:41am
hacking my tip jar banner.  As tacomic power-users, what do you think?

by NineInchNachos on 1/14/2013 @ 7:14am
America is waking up

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/14/2013 @ 11:06am
RE: NPR blog story about people who declare that they have no interest in any institutionalized religion.

Any properly informed Christian would reply that faith requires reason, based on the premise that one has to know what they believe and why they believe it. The Catholic Church, which traces its authority back to Jesus and the Apostles, has contended with the uninformed, and dissenters, and reformers long before Martin Luther (Your Tacomic is referring to the Protestant category of Christianity.).

From the start, as can be read in the letters from St. Paul, the Church has had a mandate to educate people about turning away from false religions, and toward worship of the True God. Today, with all the forms of media available to the average person, there is no excuse for ignorance about the only two basic, and consistent worldviews: Naturalism, which is anthropocentric (man-centered); and Christianity, which is theocentric (God-centered). Of those two views, only Christianity teaches the difference between the Creator and the created. Furthermore Christianity is the source of teaching for concepts such as: Authority is for service, and humility, and love--characteristics of the triune God.

Naturalism is opposed to God and hostile to Christianity. There is no nuetral ground.  

by cisserosmiley on 1/14/2013 @ 11:39am
Oh God! ... I you really think omnipotence needs your help to communicate with other humans? 

by NineInchNachos on 1/14/2013 @ 11:59am

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/14/2013 @ 12:00pm
Is God calling?

by cisserosmiley on 1/14/2013 @ 12:10pm
I have in-laws who are pretty sure a sweet parking spot@  Fred Meyer was a "kudo" sent from Jesus. 

by NineInchNachos on 1/14/2013 @ 12:39pm
Mars Hill back in the news!

by cisserosmiley on 1/14/2013 @ 10:28pm
Is this why they bought Tacoma?

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2013 @ 8:24am
free thinking young people will save us all

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 8:41am
Dreamliner is in a better place (safely on the ground)

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/16/2013 @ 8:38pm
NPR is probably the best source to learn about the world in a format that is consistently superficial and inadequate as far as defining terms under discussion and offering a counterview. It's just entertainment, like chewing gum. A story from NPR is useful about the same amount of time the flavor lasts in chewing gum.

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 9:14pm
heh ;)

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 7:40am
man this is a good series.

today they talk to church leaders!

by NineInchNachos on 1/21/2013 @ 12:49pm
go Mars Hill !

by low bar on 1/21/2013 @ 3:10pm
@MOFO Counter views? Haven't you been paying attention? The nation is divided and the weaker side is losing traction. That's all. It's not about bi-partisanship, it's about having the intelligence to pick the winning side.

It's like a consumer's choice, it's freedom. You have the freedom to pick the wrong side of history and get left behind to rot in your own analytical mistakes.

Go ahead and watch Fox News all day long and pine for the return of the Bush dynasty. How we pray that our kingdom will again have a King Bush, the true heir to the throne of America, bless our oligarchy once more.

Will Prince Jeb Bush run in 2016?

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/21/2013 @ 10:02pm
Mr. NIN, I'm going to tell you something that I think you already know: "The Stranger" is industrial strength anti-Christian propaganda. I'd love to read about the fate of their reporters if they ever made the mistake of badmouthing the Muslims.

low bar: Most people in the United States accept Christianity and identify themselves as Christians. If you're smart, you'll get down on your knees and thank God that He provided you with the birthright of intellect and will. What you do with that birthright is up to you.  

by low bar on 1/21/2013 @ 10:44pm
Christians don't have power. Waco proved that.

Muslims don't have power either. The SEALS proved that.

Most people in the United States accept the law is more like it.

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/21/2013 @ 11:10pm
Christian bashing is a favorite sport for some people, because there is little risk of retaliation.

But regarding the Waco reference, that so-called Christian compound was a Protestant sect. One sect of thousands, each sect a break-away church from Catholicism.

It was the work of Martin Luther, himself a Catholic, that divided the Church, because he wanted to do away with the Pope and the Church's historical authority to guide, govern, and guard the traditions and written Word of Christianity.

The result of the Reformation was the proliferation of thousands of self-made Pope's governing self-made churches. Get it? The Protestant Reformers built churches by the hands of men. It's one thing to condemn the work of men. But to condemn the work of God is an act of heresy. Men are fallible. God is infallible. 

by low bar on 1/21/2013 @ 11:20pm
Under the constitution there is zero risk. Obviously Thomas Jefferson knew a thing or two.

If only the Westboro folks would buy a bunch of guns and compound themselves somewhere....

I need another good fireworks show. It's been a while since Falluja.

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/21/2013 @ 11:40pm
low bar, there is no reason to believe that man-made laws can guarantee adherence to such laws.

Christians are taught to obey man-made laws except when such laws conflict with or oppose the transcendent moral laws of God. .

by low bar on 1/22/2013 @ 9:30am
Who cares about adherence?

The only thing that matters about laws are that when laws are broken it gives the law enforcer the legality to smoke the law breaker. It's the purity of ethical code. And there should be no hard feelings about it.

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/22/2013 @ 9:41am
Right. It's a question of authority. If there are laws, then there must be a law giver. There must be a final judgement.

by NineInchNachos on 1/25/2013 @ 7:56am
The Catholic Church, which traces its authority back to Jesus and the Apostles, sez: "DEAR CHILD RAPIST PRIEST, WE WILL PROTECT YOU FROM THE LONG ARM OF THE LAW"

and people wonder why young people lose interest in the holy mother church?

by cisserosmiley on 1/25/2013 @ 8:52am
It's creepy to know that if someone wants to rape children for a living there is a union that will represent them.

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/25/2013 @ 9:04am
Again, it's acceptable to look to NPR or The Los Angeles Times or whatever anarchist organization as a model for how to destroy venerable institutions.

Authorities within the Catholic Church instituted many liberal policies that went into effect in 1964--core procedures including changes within the Mass itself that have divided the social conservatives and liberal leaning parishioners. Every institution, religious or secular, is vulnerable to attacks from without and within. The difference between the Catholic Church and city hall is that the Church recognizes Sin as Sin. The Church doesn't actively seek degenerates for positions of authority. The Church doesn't actively seek changes in civil law to normalize degeneracy.

by cisserosmiley on 1/25/2013 @ 10:07am
@mofo you have a good point, but time & time again the specific issue of child protection is exposed as 4-5 down on the list after - public opinion shaping; donation collections;  political lobbying;  facilities improvement. Just think if all the thought, money, heart, sweat, & love that built the most opulent cathedrals were directed towards protecting children ??? 

by NineInchNachos on 1/25/2013 @ 10:26am
stay gold pony mofo, stay gold.

by NineInchNachos on 2/5/2013 @ 9:17pm
for mofo!

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/6/2013 @ 9:33am
In the realm of politics there will never be 100% agreement on any issue.

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/7/2013 @ 12:49am
RE: 2/5/13 link to NPR broadcast, "Does Science Refute God?" 

I listened to the broadcast, and with its accumulated knowledge derived through my senses, I stand by my statement from 1/16/13 in that NPR is just entertainment. This particular broadcast resembled a vaudeville show--lots of amusing variety and little serious instruction.

In the last minutes of the broadcast, one of the panelists stated that "Science tells us there is no evidence of purpose [in the natural universe]." Therefore, if it is true that there is no need for purpose, then there is no need for God.

That truth claim is not an objective fact--the scientific method involves a contribution of the human mind: interpretation, intuition, and general know-how. One hundred people will offer one hundred alternative ways of describing the same phenomenon.

The goal or intention of science, in its purposeless unintentional universe, is to provide a complete explanation of reality--a description of structures such as matter, energy, time, space--categories by which we order reality.

The method that physical science uses to achieve its goal involves nonphysical entities such as logic, induction, and mathematics.

One could say that great scientists have great imaginations. The scientific explanation of reality is always subject to change--indefinite changing. Imaginative scientists use their creative powers to construct theories which eventually give way to other theories, because of current, contemporary advice.

Does science refute God? In order to refute God, fallible scientists need an infallible God.    

by cisserosmiley on 2/7/2013 @ 8:18am
Either there is no god -or- you guys are discussing the self interest of an omnipotent being's purpose...probably making it mad! Now there has to be a tsunami or school shooting to even things up. Thanks feed tacomanians, you killed people!!! Amen.

by NineInchNachos on 2/7/2013 @ 1:09pm
Hey mofo, do you know this guy?

by troysworktable on 2/9/2013 @ 9:11pm
"It was the work of Martin Luther, himself a Catholic, that divided the Church, because he wanted to do away with the Pope and the Church's historical authority to guide, govern, and guard the traditions and written Word of Christianity."—Mofo from the Hood
Revisionist history much? 
Luther didn't divide the Church any more than those who came before him. There was tension between the Twelve. James and the Jerusalem Church squared off against Peter. James and Peter, representing the Jewish Christians, pitted themselves against Paul and his Gentile churches in Asia Minor.
The Great Schism of 1054, which divided the church derived of Constantine's making into Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic branches? And, yes, the Reformation of the sixteenth century, kindled by Luther and a whole host of others.

by troysworktable on 2/9/2013 @ 9:19pm
"But regarding the Waco reference, that so-called Christian compound was a Protestant sect. One sect of thousands, each sect a break-away church from Catholicism."—Mofo from the Hood
And what are each of the various "movements" within Catholicism called? Are they not sects, Catholic sects? There seems to be a multitude of voices and viewpoints within Catholicism. Jesuits. Benedictines. Paulists. Dominicans. Franciscans. 
Also: I think most Protestants would be hard-pressed to claim David Koresh and his Branch Davidians as "one of their own," just as you seem unable to do the same for Protestants as a whole.

by troysworktable on 2/9/2013 @ 9:23pm
It must be nice to live in one's gilded tower, sneering down at the widows, orphans, homosexuals, prostitutes, tax collectors, and the like.
Oh, wait. That IS where Jesus went. In the crowds. He hung out with those people. He touched lepers. (And healed them too.) He hung out with adulterous women (and saved their lives!). He chatted with the demon-possessed (and cast out their demons!) Et cetera.

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/9/2013 @ 11:13pm
OPEN INVITATION: Feel free to point out the errors in my statements; or just follow the example of troysworktable and bathe in my reflected glory.  

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/10/2013 @ 8:41am

by NineInchNachos on 2/10/2013 @ 10:37am
at least we can all agree that child molestation has no place in the church. I think even the pope agrees to that. 

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/10/2013 @ 10:25pm

by NineInchNachos on 2/11/2013 @ 7:36am

by NineInchNachos on 2/11/2013 @ 7:54am
best of the pope cartoons by Matt Bors

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/11/2013 @ 9:30am
God's servant Pope Benedict XVI, elected Pope: April 19, 2005, will resign February 28, 2013.

According to his statement posted on the Vatican Radio website: "After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry."

The chosen pastor assists the world's estimated 1.2 billion Roman Catholics. 

by Jesse on 2/11/2013 @ 12:17pm
I went to Vatican City last summer.  Apparently Benedict wasn't nearly as popular as John Paul.  They still sell lots of John Paul souvenirs and hardly any Benedict ones... Even though he's the current pope and has been for years.

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/13/2013 @ 9:25am

A Pragmatic Pope? What is right and what is expedient?


by NineInchNachos on 2/13/2013 @ 11:39am
meanwhile in PNW Art...

by NineInchNachos on 2/19/2013 @ 11:59am
more megachurch news!

by Mofo from the Hood on 2/21/2013 @ 8:21pm

by NineInchNachos on 3/18/2013 @ 8:42am
new pope!  How do you feel Mofo?

by tacoma_1 on 3/18/2013 @ 1:53pm
The new pope is a bus riding pope.

by Mofo from the Hood on 3/19/2013 @ 6:27am
"new pope! How do you feel Mofo?"--NIN. 3/18/2013 @8:42am

Interesting how the question was put, considering that the Church, including the pope, is a fellowship concerned with thinking more than feelings when it comes to dealing with the hardships of everyday life. The concern is to learn how to think and act biblically--to think about God, and sin, and the eternal destiny of one's soul.

This unchanging worldview stands in contrast to the everchanging worldview that surrounds us, namely secular humanism. We're most often confronted with pragmatic problem solving--expediency--and the Church, which is practical, would say that pragmatism is the least practical way to live.

I think the new pope wants to live in a world that makes sense, and so do I.

by cisserosmiley on 3/19/2013 @ 7:16am
Oh Lordy !!!

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2013 @ 7:56am
I like how he won't wear the magic red pope shoes.  More world church leaders should ride the bus! 

by tacoma_1 on 3/19/2013 @ 9:27am
The Pope said that we should take care of each other, the poor, and the environment.

Hmmmm...if the Pope could have voted on Prop 1 during the last election to provide more bus service in Pierce County...wwtpd?

by NineInchNachos on 3/20/2013 @ 8:37am
God, TacomaMeme and TNT power combo!

by cisserosmiley on 3/20/2013 @ 10:10am
Tacoma will be lost to evangelicals from UP, Puyallup, Fircrest & Gig Harbor who have identified Tacoma proper as a cheap place to locate those "in need" without them actually living in UP, Puyallup, Fircrest & Gig Harbor. It's the evangelical twist on the dept. of corrections locating paroles here.

by troysworktable on 3/20/2013 @ 12:51pm
cisserosmiley: Those of us in Puyallup proper seem to be in the same situation as Tacoma. You must be referring to the more affluent South Hill and North Hill/Edgewood neighborhoods.

by cisserosmiley on 3/20/2013 @ 1:04pm
I have conferred with a 'young life' leader from Puyallup High School. She confirms your position.

by NineInchNachos on 7/17/2013 @ 8:14am
BREAKING: new roof Mars Hill fund raiser at The HUB has been canceled after FB outrage. Another The Stranger articles victory.