Tacoma Seven: Top Guns of District 2 THE GAME

The Race to Replace Jake Fey!
posted Jan 1, 2013
Monica Hunter-Alexander, Philip Cowan, David D'Aniello, Carolyn Edmonds, Jon Higley, Patricia Lecy-Davis, Robert Thoms
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by NineInchNachos on 1/1/2013 @ 3:48pm
I'm thinking either Patricia or the Trooper

by NineInchNachos on 1/1/2013 @ 7:44pm
If Grand Cinema succeeds in their fundraising campaign to upgrade to digital would that be a feather in the cap for the movie guy?

by cisserosmiley on 1/2/2013 @ 7:59am
There isn't a box [] for "my bud, your legislator, says pick me"

by NineInchNachos on 1/2/2013 @ 8:05am
print it out, draw one in!

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by NineInchNachos on 1/2/2013 @ 8:15pm
I am alarmed that I missed this...

My Short-tenure with Council Member Jake Fey

(with great apologies to Clement C. Moore)

~ David Boe

Twas the week before Christmas, and all through the room,

Staff and public were quite blue after weeks of budget gloom.

Though the very long process had now been put safely to bed;

No visions of sugar plums were left dancing in anyone’s heads.

And now was the last council meeting of State Representative Elect soon to be former Council Member Jake Fey,

It was bringing many of those assembled here to tears for a good pre-Holiday cry.

In honor of his honor, and him being such a stand-up kind of guy;

I got all dressed-up tonight (even to the extent of wearing a tie).

So let’s review some of the Jake’s actions over these last 3-years in office,

A man of many accomplishments (with only a few of them losses).

As deputy mayor, Jake threw the out the old Cheney Stadium last first pitch;

Resulting in a Rainier’s Championship Season, now how is that for being ironically rich?

And who could forget his historic procedural flip-flop-flip on the Arizona vote;

In order to ultimately pass a resolution (some considered as an opportunistic joke).

Not afraid to be the Lone Ranger with his 2010-11 budget vote NO!

(Hey Jake, how about letting Marty and I in beforehand so we can go with your negative flow).

And another NO on the previous city manager’s contract (he really showed him the ax);

Followed by his affirmative vote soon thereafter, hiring our new chief executive – Mr. TC Broadnax.

His routine cross-examination grilling of TPU Directors, in three years that has never got old;

Or his concern for Tacoma citizen’s needing financial assistance to assure staving off the winter cold.

His work on transportation issues – PSRC and the Boards of Transits Pierce and Sound;

Jake brings his unwavering dedication for growing development density for more feet on the ground.

And his concerns for the environment, from sustainability to air quality non-attainment,

We look forward to working with him at the State Level in getting additional funding for containment.

And really what can be better for Mister Fey than a seat in the State House,

For he can now campaign and doorbell ad nauseam that ought to give him a bounce.

So as we watch Jake Fey leave us as he quickly strides out of our sight,

I wish him well and a most Happy Christmas, and to all others still listening – a Good Evening.

by NineInchNachos on 1/3/2013 @ 9:04am

by KevinFreitas on 1/2/2013 @ 7:06am"I personally think there isn't a single strong enough candidate out of the 'Tacoma Seven' for city council." @Jesse

couldn't agree more and am completely with you on a list of nominees
put forth by the City Council, Mayor, and Citizens. Does the council
have a "none of the above" option?

by cisserosmiley on 1/3/2013 @ 9:32am
The rest of the council has qualifications like: early starter; nice guy; nobody else ran; the other candidate was in jail; WHY IN EARTH would these 7 be criticized ???

by JesseHillFan on 1/3/2013 @ 9:33am
It's painful to watch a city council meeting without having interesting characters there like you RR or Robert Hill.

by NineInchNachos on 1/3/2013 @ 9:44am
who lives in district 2 anyway?

by NineInchNachos on 1/3/2013 @ 9:45am
Darcy and I wrote a song jingle once for Celebrity Cakes sung to the tune of "why buy a mattress anywhere else!"

"Celebrity Cakes, we'll bake you a STAR!"

by cisserosmiley on 1/3/2013 @ 10:33am
My buddy Frank lives in district 2. He ran for city council in the past & is smart and good hearted. 

by NineInchNachos on 1/4/2013 @ 10:33am
game of thrones! 

Does Frank not love the people enough to run again?  This is way easier than an actual election. You just need to win over 8 people!

by NineInchNachos on 1/4/2013 @ 7:02pm

by jenyum on 1/9/2013 @ 10:50pm
I give Patricia a lot of props for sticking it out downtown all these years, and making a really decent go of it, too. Some people have pretty short memories, she was heading up GoLocal and the Downtown Merchants when I was just a baby blogger.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2013 @ 7:32am
Next Tuesday is D Day
noon at study session in council chambers

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2013 @ 7:33am
meanwhile thanks to Patricia

by KevinFreitas on 1/10/2013 @ 8:34am
My Tacoma City Council appointment pick:

I want a balanced City Council and having another business owner doesn't meet that balance.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2013 @ 9:08am
after the SKEETER affair with LPD, having a state trooper in there will might keep the TPD honest

by Erik on 1/10/2013 @ 10:10am
Here is the letter I sent in support of Patricia Lacey Davis.There is no one of the 7 that has worked so hard for small businesses and to bring life into downtown as Patricia. 

The Go Local effort, that Patricia has lead, has been critical for some of the success downtown has had lately in small business development.

There are literally dozens of other efforts downtown she has been involved with. She and her husband took an extremely rough building, where there was almost nothing around, and created a home and a number of businesses in it. Few people have had that level of dedication to downtown revitalization.

There is only one business owner on the Tacoma City Council that I know of. The rest of them work for either other governmental agencies or non-profits.For years, the city attempted to bring some large company into downtown. 

Bringing huge commercial theaters and even bring Walmart to downtown Tacoma was discussed:

I think the route to success is to work block by block and small storefront by storefront and support small businesses. 

Patricia has worked tirelessly in this effort for many, many years and is living in the grid of downtown and completely dedicated to the cause.


Mayor Strickland and Tacoma City Councilmembers,I write to you today in support of appointing Patricia Lacey-Davis to the Tacoma City Council. 

The Tacoma City Council should pick the candidate which is most qualified
to assist the city with it's most pressing needs at this time in
Tacoma's history.The skill-set of the candidate appointed should match the current, most pressing needs of Tacoma.

Right now, Tacoma's downtown and many of it's mixed use centers have an
overabundance of vacant storefronts and buildings. Tacoma badly needs
someone in the private sector who has the experience and skills to
assist and support small businesses in Tacoma.

A number of Tacoma's business centers have vacancies of between 30 and 70 percent.The
council needs a lot more business experience present if it is going to
improve it's condition. Patricia Lecy-Davis has the experience and
skills of restoring her building and starting several businesses in it.

She has been a leader of the Go Local movement in Tacoma for many years
and has assisted countless businesses.

For this time in Tacoma's history, and with Tacoma's current challenges,
and with the current council composition, she is by far the best choice

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2013 @ 10:15am
nice.  not bad at all either.

by Erik on 1/10/2013 @ 10:18am
Here is the TED talk Patricia gave in Tacoma.

There have been and endless supply of newspaper articles over the years showing her accomplishments and projects she has worked on as well.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2013 @ 3:54pm
was chatting with anonymous source today...  he puts the top three as:  1- Philip @ Grand Cinema (super brain),  2 - Rob Thoms (big money backers),  3 - Trish @ Multispace (knows everybody, gets things done)

by cisserosmiley on 1/10/2013 @ 4:59pm
1-Phillip seems like a smart choice to avoid controversy.  He could win an election too.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2013 @ 5:17pm
Rob Thoms for future political ambition backscratching !

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2013 @ 5:19pm
absolutely zero chance guess: Mr. Higley

but maybe he plans to sue COT after the closed door session decision like the TNT did last time.   They got like 14 thousand dollars!

by cisserosmiley on 1/10/2013 @ 6:42pm
A city council of lobbyists would be more efficient than city council members speaking to lobbyists.

by KevinFreitas on 1/10/2013 @ 8:08pm
Great letter @Erik! I totally agree re: her history and Tacoma cred but think Patricia could continue to be as effective (if not more so) doing what she already does rather than join City Council.

Hope other folks emailed council folks as well! Though we may not elect this appointed position the current council still represents us -- make your voice heard!

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2013 @ 8:15am
I think Trish would bring more color to the drabness of TV Tacoma

The Tacomic officially endorses Patricia Lecy-Davis

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2013 @ 8:20am
Who would like to live blog the event on TV Tacoma with me?  Thursday afternoon!

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2013 @ 8:31am
BREAKING: I've been invited by the Tacoma City Council to sit in during their closed door executive session to live blog so the TNT wont sue them for violation of open meeting laws. I would like to thank our representatives for this exclusive privilege!

by NineInchNachos on 1/14/2013 @ 5:04pm

by downtownlovemachine on 1/15/2013 @ 12:37am

  1) We dont need someone with business experience. Someone with a real and successful business background does not want to be on the City Council. Sorry to those business owners on Council but if you were successful, you would be in Scottsdale right now playing golf and enjoying your success. 2) The last thing we need is another talking head on council. We need someone that has delivered real results derived from their efforts either independently or in parner with both public and private entities. Real results that can be measured by an increase in jobs and lights on in our business districts. Pickles, backrubs and haircuts help but are not going to put enough fuel in the tank.3) Go Local and Shift Happens has had an exciting run but not without taxpayers dollars to help it gain exposure. It has not been the small business entities that make up Go Local (its free to join) getting the message out and parties paid for. The City has spent to date up to $100,000 of taxpayers dollars contributing to both Go Local and Shift Happens. As you can see in the link below, Mrs Lecy-Davis signature is on the contract between Go Local and the City of Tacoma for $50,000. It looks like there was a lot groups that were contacted and a lot of handouts delivered around town. But (see number 1) we need to deliver a message outside of Tacoma, we are singing to the choir.

by cisserosmiley on 1/15/2013 @ 7:05am
Is that you Jon Higley ?

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2013 @ 8:19am

by Erik on 1/15/2013 @ 8:27am
Should be some interesting talks.

With Walmart coming soon, it is time to supercharge the Go Local effort.

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2013 @ 8:35am
live blogging in 3 hrs!

by KevinFreitas on 1/15/2013 @ 9:03am
Care to join in on Twitter? Will be live tweeting the city council study session re: District 2 appointment interviews. Use the Twitter hashtag #TacomaD2 to join in!

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2013 @ 12:08pm
they're interviewing using the exact order of this tacomic

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2013 @ 12:27pm
kevin and lewis kamb are doing good job on twitter live tweeting

by downtownlovemachine on 1/15/2013 @ 3:25pm

  The twitter feed as great, good job to both men.The Go Local effort has cost the residents of Tacoma $90,000.00 in direct contracts between the City and Go Local and another $50,000 the City is paying to be a sponsor of Shift Happens. So that is $140,000 for Go Local. Where did that money go? What results positive or negative came out of the contract? Did Go Local Staff earn any income from these funds? That is a lot of money during tight budget times and a lot of pot holes filled to pay for some rah rah efforts.

by gritz thekat on 1/15/2013 @ 3:38pm
  • I mean 1) Shiftycitykitty
  • Isn't that enough mr. higley ???

by Jesse on 1/15/2013 @ 5:10pm
@downtownlovemachine:  Go Local is about leadership.  If you can measure leadership with numbers, by all means, let's hear your methodology.

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2013 @ 6:26pm
twiters is reporting  Robert Thom wins!  and he's not even at the meeting! 

by downtownlovemachine on 1/15/2013 @ 10:21pm

TNT said he was at his local PTA meeting.

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 7:45am
tacoma mama :  The Tacoma City Council selected Robert
Thomas, a career Navy officer and former staffer for U.S. Sen. Patty
Murray, to fill its open District 2 seat during Tuesday night's meeting.

Tacoma weekly
: The Daily Mash-Up Thoms appointed to City
Council - After candidate interviews, an executive session and speeches
by Tacoma City Council members, the new City Council member is Robert
Thoms. Robert Thoms, is a partner and chief executive of the political
consulting firm, The Navigation Group, and is a retired military
officer. Thoms was appointed from a list of seven candidates who
applied for the open seat was vacated when Jake Fey left the council
following his elect...

by fredo on 1/16/2013 @ 7:56am
The council is probably expecting him to pull some Washington DC strings to open up President Obama's secret stash of federal funds. Haha, well it's good to see transparency in Government. 

by cisserosmiley on 1/16/2013 @ 8:12am
They probably felt bad because he bought a house for $650,000 a few years ago & now it's only worth $485,000. He knows the pain tacomanians are feeling about their upside down mortgages. Empathetic council manic choice !!!

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 8:13am
No I heard he's going to use his Navy strings to better the relations with the Army and Air-force base in a leadership vacuum.

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 8:16am
He's going to use his DC strings to move the pollution spewing Sperry Ocean Terminal to University Place and get a Trader Joes into the Kalakala

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 9:15am
Tacoma Daily Index!

by KevinFreitas on 1/16/2013 @ 10:34am
Ouch, not a flattering link in that article in reference to Patricia Lecy-Davis:

by cisserosmiley on 1/16/2013 @ 11:07am
It's safe to say the fire dept could find smoke detector violations in most homes...but it's rough to be forcibly shut down by four agencies. 

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 11:19am

by low bar on 1/16/2013 @ 1:23pm
So are the costs involved for being up to code a downward economic pressure or something?? Why not just pass those costs onto the customer just like everyone else on the planet does?

by downtownlovemachine on 1/16/2013 @ 6:05pm

  cisserosmiley, you mean 90% of homes bought during the same time are in the same situation as the info you posted?  I would be more worried about the $90,000 in taxpayers dollars being given to Go Local by the City of Tacoma to do "economic development". Plus the $50,000 the City is spending as a sponsor at Go Local's Shift Happens event. So $140,000 to a nonprofit for what!!?? We have the Chamber, the EDB, the WTC, the City and County Eco Devo departments. $140,000 for a website and contact list that you can join for free? I says there are 500 members of Go Local so that is $280.00 per member that the city has paid for. $20.00 more bucks and these people could have joined the Chamber.

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 6:30pm
the chamber will spend your membership dues on free small business door mats and blustery press releases advocating for clean channel billboard spam and walmarts

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 6:31pm
at least with go local our convention center has a use... plus free pens!

by fredo on 1/16/2013 @ 6:55pm

impressed by your posting downtownlovemachine.

by low bar on 1/16/2013 @ 8:04pm
Wtf is Shift Happens supposed to do for the city? Attract big investors? Or just raise awareness of home grown small business?

For the supporters of small business this should be a plus to get free PR. I just don't think that PR makes middle class jobs grow on trees. Jobs that would increase purchasing power and sales at local small business.

What is so wrong with the Go Local committee? There are all kinds of other committees that receive taxpayer money ALL THE TIME. I think the alternative to the big box is Tacoma's strength in this economy at it should play to it. Trendiness leads to trends.

But how to get big money for your big idea? Is it just a matter of having a slam dunk business plan and city policies that don't put a bunch of downward pressure on your plan?

So are opponents of Go Local supporters of the big box?

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 9:07pm
think of shift happens as a comic book convention for cottage industries and local businesses. 

i'm going with pocket fulls of business cards!

by downtownlovemachine on 1/16/2013 @ 9:51pm

The Chamber is upping their game with a PAC, training camps for those thinking about being politicians and score cards on politicians. And they are stacked with staff, more than when Greybeard was President. Low Bar - there is nothing wrong with Go Local. I applaud their efforts for creating a downtown cohesion. But $140,000 in taxpayers hard earned dollars for what? A website, a free contact list and play money for staff to throw a party once a year playing on a smart ass title. Those other committees you speak of usualy have real deliverables like helping those going through domestic violence, closing achievement gaps, getting people off drugs or helping the mentally ill - real things that can be measured. Show me the hard numbers from Go Local for $140,000.00 spent on Davis' group? 

by cisserosmiley on 1/16/2013 @ 10:04pm
To clarify; I have similar thoughts on go local stuff as DTLM, but shift happens was worth it all...also, I was serious about people feeling bad about their mortgages.

by low bar on 1/16/2013 @ 10:09pm
@ downtown. Please provide proof that $140,000 of Go Local is not creating economic activity. I don't even know if $140,000 is the correct 'hard number' amount.

I have seen no evidence beside someone saying $140,000 that 1400,00 has ACTUALLY been spent to create economic activity. (Which is kind of a small number if you think about the potential return, a return which can be levied upon, as a sort of consumer fee).

Yes I too want to see the hard numbers. But all I see are hard economic times that Go Local did not create. The big box created the hard times. Bucking this trend locally is going to take a lot of participation. 

by downtownlovemachine on 1/16/2013 @ 11:47pm Davis Facebook sight - Patricia Lecy-Davis Yes the City contracted Go Local again for $40,000 in 2013/14.It's a viable movement, with 500+ members now out of 7200 local independent businesses in Tacoma.
I hope you will attend this years Shift Happens in Jan 28th.I have searched long and hard to find some real outcomes - jobs, new businesses, businesses that have grown - derive from Go Local. I have looked on the Go Local website, nothing but a list of names and some options for labs and an effort to talk to the same people you see downtown. Go to downtown Portland or Spokane and see what they did. It was not dumping tens of thousands of taxpayers dollars on Rah Rah efforts that made those location's downtowns amazing. I was born and grew up in this city when most of you on here were twinkles in your mama's eye. There was a vibrant downtown with street cars that went all the way to the UP area to downtown Tacoma. Peopled shopped at People's (google that) and worked downtown and downtown was the center of business. The mall was the black plague of downtown. ps- the Cohen's movie theatre should not be at the end of ruston, but downtown once and for all.

by low bar on 1/17/2013 @ 12:13am
sounds like you have A LOT of brand loyalty and you want results. don't we all. but lets not forget the pickle we are in is a national one. Yes the Cohen stuff should be downtown.

Jesse suggested turning the Convention center over to Landmark or Westfield or whatever.

Seattle would put in a Cinerama but that's bc Seattle would pay for the novelty.


market wages create ignorance, or what Socrates distinguished as agent of 'in no way' in the Republic.

by Jesse on 1/17/2013 @ 8:15am
"The mall was the black plague of downtown. ps- the Cohen's movie theatre should not be at the end of ruston, but downtown once and for all."  -- downtownlovemachine

I couldn't agree more. There has to be big shopping downtown for the foot traffic and energy to return. A movie theater would be a good runner-up.

by cisserosmiley on 1/17/2013 @ 9:11am
The foot traffic & energy are @ the waterfront, old town, James center/TCC, west gate, 6th ave., central/allenmore, proctor, etc. etc.  what would be the end goal of depressing all the other areas in uptown Tacoma that have worked for decades to have a vibrant mixed use village feel by artificially building DT back up by pirating the energy of successful areas. DT needs a new plan, maybe give land away to habitat for humanity for folks to build houses on. Then DT could be a bedroom community.

by Jesse on 1/17/2013 @ 9:19am
Nobody ever defined a city by it's suburbs.  Cities are defined by their core.  Tacoma has an image problem and that equates to less jobs, less people wanting to move here, and less economic fortitude for everyone. The core is of the utmost importance.  The suburbs are peripheral; figuratively and literally. 

by fredo on 1/17/2013 @ 9:30am
Shoppers like lots of free parking in proximity to where they intend to shop. Tacoma mall has that. DT Tacoma doesn't have that.
RE: the movie theater DT. If there is a market for a movie theater DT then the marketplace will locate a movie theater DT. One way to encourage the marketplace to recognize a DT location would be to cancel the City of Tacoma admission tax which has effectively driven all the movie theaters out of town.  

by low bar on 1/17/2013 @ 9:53am
@fredo then how do you account for all the downtown shopping in areas like west Hollywood WHERE THERE IS NO FREE PARKING OR HARDLY ANY PARKING AT ALL?? (You can get validation). Foot traffic does not mean car traffic.

by low bar on 1/17/2013 @ 9:55am
@jesse you make a great point. Tacoma doesn't have an admissions tax problem, it has an image problem. The brand is in WTF mode.

by fredo on 1/17/2013 @ 10:13am

  I'm not familiar with the West Hollywood situation. If there are lots of shoppers there and no parking then I can only assume that there is no close by shopping area with free parking.

by Jesse on 1/17/2013 @ 10:22am
And there you have it.  You both just outlined why my opinion is that the current mall is too close to downtown.  The mall is a cannible for downtown commerce. Move it out further into the suburbs and that opens up opportunity for a downtown shopping resurgence and therefore a downtown and a wholistic Tacoma resurgence.

The only other way to get shopping downtown is excellent no brainier transit like streetcar coupled with much much more density.

by Jesse on 1/17/2013 @ 10:46am
Is there a movie theater admissions tax?  Is that different from the cabaret tax that was killed a couple of years ago?

by cisserosmiley on 1/17/2013 @ 10:46am
Central/allenmore, old town, 6th ave. & proctor are not suburbs, they are vibrant successful urban neighborhoods. If its vacant land=give it to a family and h4h to build a home on. The DT core will shrink a little. SHRINK HAPPENS !!!

by Jesse on 1/17/2013 @ 11:21am
My bad.  You're right.  They are technically streetcar suburbs.  Note the word "suburb."

by NineInchNachos on 1/17/2013 @ 11:34am
I heard Walmart has a new program for hiring Veterans.  Maybe Thom can work the Walmart/JBLM/Tacoma mojo ?

by cisserosmiley on 1/17/2013 @ 11:42am
They are urban neighborhoods. They are in the city limits. They are within a couple mile radius. They all share a local gov. It's time to understand tacoma's neighborhoods as its core. DT could be a neat neighborhood, but it will need to lose land around the edges.

by low bar on 1/17/2013 @ 1:17pm
I like cisses's idea of the village network. But I am not so sure how a giant movie theater would work into that. A small theater like The Grand, yes. Theater district of Tacoma as a sort of NW'ern Greenwich Village.

Everything is there to make DT rock out, but how do you balance the grit with the metropolitan? I like the idea of a core of identity radiating out from large places where people congregate. If the convention center, with it's (I am assuming) underground parking, could attract people on a daily basis, there could begin the formation of a stronger DT reef of sorts.

We could all do shrooms and play Finding Nemo in an Aquarium Restaurant.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/17/2013 @ 2:24pm
I like what Go Local is doing. Davis' voice has been heard and I would hate to see her be yoked by the rules of being an elected official.  She scares the big wigs in downtown or at least annoys them as she creates a beacon of hope for downtown. How the heck does downtown spokane get restoration hardware? Not that I shop there but that seems to be a way to measure your ability to draw shoppers with money per what UP is trying to do in their town center. Free parking is crucial. We need to get the big players in down town out of their towers and away from their selfserving ways and begin to sit at the table. What is the Tacoma Executive Council? Sounds like a covert entitiy that says who can play and what the priorities are in downtown. I get tired of hearing the term economic engine, great term but you need fuel to make an engine run. The port cannot do it all. RR - there are thousands of people that leave JBLM looking for full time jobs every year. I dont do walmart but I agree with your comment. 

by cisserosmiley on 1/17/2013 @ 3:34pm
The port was an important center of life here in the past. While the commerce is still important, most of the social & cultural activity in Tacoma no longer centers around the waterway. the center of Tacoma in the future Internet electric car Tacoma is...central Tacoma...the center...

by low bar on 1/17/2013 @ 6:29pm
I think what's important to understand about the port of Tacoma is its there. Right there eyesoring the hell out of the water front. When you go down to Seattle's water front what do you see? Elliot bay. Seattle's down town was either smart enough or it just turned out that its DT water front ended up in one place while its port ended up further south. For Tacoma's DT to take the same scenic advantage, it would have to move its center up to where old town is. What does this tell us about old town? THE FIRST TACOMANS WERE THE SMARTEST ONES.

by Daymaker on 1/17/2013 @ 7:40pm
To clarify, Go Local is an Independent Business Alliance that supports business in Tacoma that is independently owned, of which we have identified 7200 in the City of Tacoma. The purpose of this movement is to foster a strong local economy. There are many studies that show when you spend a dollar at an independent vs. a chain, .68 vs. .43 stays in our community and circulates 2-3 x more.
(1.) contracted deliverable by the City was to collect and scrub this data
We a local chapter of two national organizations (BALLE ad AMIBA) that support businesses with tools, connections to other businesses, and best practices. We also create marketing plans like "Shift your Shopping" (a national campaign participated in by 150+ IBAs across the US) which one of our local Tacoma firms helped design and is being used all over the US (2.) contracted deliverable by the City to create awareness campaigns educating the public on the impact of supporting independent business. We have facilitated 2 and getting ready for our third annual event "Shift Happens" showcasing 100+ unique businesses in Tacoma. The business make powerful connections here and many new customers. (3.) contracted deliverable to create a small business event that reaches a broad audience. We do networking events and educational seminars (4.) contracted item by the City
We continually market the City's programs to all of our members and collect data via surveys (5.) contracted deliverable
In 2013/14 we will be convening destiny discussions on Local Food, Media, Local Banking, and Entrepreneurial Pipeline of education. We will also hold the second annual "City of Neighborhoods" event that discusses bottom up community development with Local Life. (NOT a contracted deliverable)
We have been funded three bienniums for $50,000, $50,000, and 2013/14 will be $40,000 as some of the competitive funding in the area of building capacity for small business went to Spaceworks.
Go Local has never had staff, it has been a volunteer effort to this point. We have 500+ members now. The reason we are free is that we dont want any barriers to joining. Chamber, EDB, Neighborhood Business Districts and The Downtown association service all businesses, all sizes, all sectors. We are the ONLY organization that supports the little guy. The list above is just a smattering of what we have provided for small business in Tacoma. I'm sorry you don't think that our tax paying money was well spent.
Hope you will consider coming to Shift Happens to see the things we are unveiling for our community this year. January 28th at the convention center.

by KevinFreitas on 1/18/2013 @ 6:48am
Thanks @Daymaker! The only bummer is the name "Shift Happens" -- it came shortly before (what would've been our 2nd annual) local business tech innovation awards we put on at SiteCrafting called the Shift Awards. In a small town like Tacoma it's best do homework whether an event, company name, website, etc so as not to step on toes as "Shift Happens" did to our event.

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 7:37am
see I always thought 'Shift Happens" came from the Forrest Gump invented bumpersticker "Shit Happens"

by Daymaker on 1/18/2013 @ 7:57am
That's really unfortunate Kevin,but now I get it. I wish we had done better research. Your Shift Awards were no where on our radar. That's one of those examples of Tacoma being very disconnected. We were following a shared vision of hundreds of other IBAs in the country around a movement of shifting 10% of our spending in the community. Tacoma and it's business culture can learn much from the culture of IBAs because any success, idea, best practice, campaign is totally free game as it is moving the effort forward. I would hate to see you stop giving your Shift awards just because you feel we somehow stole your name or stepped on your toes. Check out Harley Davidson. They are using Shift Happens now, and I even got wind of the Seattle real estate group using Shift Happens for there luncheon this last year. They invited me and even used our opening quote to set the stage for their lunch and never mentioned Go local, kind of sad. This last season Broadway Center is using "Shift" as their campaign, and it's very close to the message we have been sending out. I think in this day and age it's going to be very hard to not mimick something that's been done. I'm  very sorry that that offended you. there was no ill will, simply oversight. We'd love for you to resurect the Shift awards as they are very important. Maybe we could collaborate?!?

Oh, and RR, you are spot on!

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 8:27am
Thoms in the TNT!

by downtownlovemachine on 1/18/2013 @ 10:19am

Daymaker, so now its $190,000?! Great!! 1) The City has full time eco devo staff, why cant they do all that work you stated above?  2) the City Eco Devo Dept cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars in payroll and benefits every !! 3) What do the Go Local staff have that the City Staff do not? Go Local staff have other full time jobs. 4) Great, you spend tax payers dollars to join business organizations that to me,compete with the EDB, the Chamber, the WTC, etc. 5) What are "powerfull connections"....the mafia? 6) I want to see measurablle results!! If you are going to compete with the chamber, edb, wtc for members so the little guy has a place to "hang" and use tens of thousands in taxpayers dollars, than show real results!!!

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 10:26am
The Chamber and WTC are in another dimension when it comes to representing small business interests

see recent  Clear Channel Billboard Monopoly/Walmart Big Box citizen uprisings

by Daymaker on 1/18/2013 @ 10:39am
The total funding through 2014 will have been $140,000.00. That's approx. $20-$25,000 a year. That's not even a staff person at the City. Part of the challenge is that the City can not be engaged with promoting individual businesses. Contracting us allows us to outreach to small businesses without risking showing priority UN equally. We are not competing with the EDB, Chamber, Nor Business Districts. We provide a specific niche of service. The powerful connections are the ones made between the businesses themsleves for resources, support, cross promotion. I really encourage you to come to the event on January 28th or even let me take you to coffee and I can share with you what we do. I appreciate the dialogue as I am not one to advocate for wasting tax payers money. We are launching two programs at this event that are sure to be platforms for the hard #'s you are looking for to argue the value if the money spent. Remember our Police and Fire are directly paid through the taxes generated form these small businesses, so the stronger we can make our local economy, the less public safety jobs we risk losing.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/18/2013 @ 3:45pm

  Regardless if the City cannot support an individual business, they can support the downtown business community. Thats more like $40,000 a year if you include the tax dollars the City pays for Shift Happens. That is not money to be so cavalier about. The residents who work in Tacoma pay for the majority of the Police and Fire. So please stop trying to make cover by bringing in the public safety arguement. Lets compare apples and and apples - you have to focus on the larger amount of $140,000 and what came of that amount being spent on a contract with Go Local. Consider the citizens of Tacoma as investors in Go Local, now tell them what did they get out of their investment - new businesses, increase in jobs, businesses retained? Why not have members of Go Local pay a nominal fee - I believe the chamber is close to $300.00 a year - to at least cover the costs of hosting an website, newsletters and membership to the national organizations you wrote about. Why should the City be investing taxpayers dollars in these types of things that have no real return versus investing in partnering with the Port, the County, UWT, the State, etc to build something that will draw real job creating businesses and/or bring and keep people downtown?? Once that happens, your 500 little guys will succeed. Economics 101.

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 4:58pm
Partner with the port and you'll get a paper factory with air that smells like farts.  Partner with the county and you'll get a halfway house for sex offenders.  

I say give these go local radicals a chance for a bit.   So far everything else the chamber and economic development department department has been up to for YEARS seems like very little ROI.   A parking garage with a green toupee and Rob Mckenna's pencil pushers? 

UW tacoma as been awesome though.

by low bar on 1/18/2013 @ 5:09pm
I am wondering how to make the port less of a faceless mask of logistics staring back at the very different identity of the DT skyline. Balloons?

I actually haven't noticed the port stench from UW campus lately. Normally I can smell a billion pepperoni pizzas rotting inside a giant dead Tauntaun gut.

by Jesse on 1/18/2013 @ 5:25pm
The port sits on the best land for a downtown.  It faces the water and is relatively flat.  Bonus that there's a river and a few inlets too.  Not even Seattle has those things.

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 5:32pm

by Daymaker on 1/18/2013 @ 5:33pm
I'm having a hard time figure out your math. $140,000.00 over 6 years is $23,300 a year. That's not even a full time position.  The City now has access to 500+ businesses for marketing their small business programs like economic gardening. You also keep referring to Downtown. Go Local is Tacoma wide. We  partner with the NBDs as their program requires them to treat the Starbucks in their footprint the same as the local guy. We are there to give the local guy a leg up with campaigns, resources, connections and tools. The businesses have access to close to 50,000 other small businesses from the nation to learn from via our BALLE and AMIBA affiliations. Our EDB focuses solely on Primary Employers, and the Chamber is pretty focused on our Port, Hospitals and Military. We've chosen to contribute to our economic landscape by supporting the micro businesses in town, of which there are 7000+. Up to this point it's been about building community, building capacity and collecting critical mass.  2013/14 will bring numerous tools for proving our impact through measurable data. Although I am passionate about sharing what Go Local does, this conversation is exhausting since you are making judgements without a full spectrum of information. Thanks for the opportunity to share this with you, and again, I invite you to check out Shift Happens or let me take you to coffee. 

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 5:40pm
hey check it out  cartoon is in the Tacoma Weekly!

by downtownlovemachine on 1/18/2013 @ 5:45pm

 The Fart you write of is Simpson and that stinky steam is the smell of good jobs btw. I agree to give local business radicals space at the table but Tacoma does not have the time to appease a bunch of radicals and their smart a#@ play on wordy events like Shift Happen and other types of interbred business love fests. The following is how you get sh*t done with partnerships - The members of the SR-167 Completion Coalition’s executive committee are as follows:
  • Co-Chair: Dick Marzano, Port of Tacoma Commissioner
  • Co-Chair: John Parrot, TOTE (Totem Ocean Trailer Express)
  • Congressman Denny Heck, Washington’s 10th Congressional District
  • Pat McCarthy, Pierce County Executive
  • Marilyn Strickland, Mayor of Tacoma
  • Pete Lewis, Mayor of Auburn
  • Glen Hull, Mayor Pro-tem City of Fife
  • Tom Pierson, Tacoma-Pierce County Chamber President
  • Bill Sterud, Puyallup Tribe
  • Scott Mason, International Longshore and Warehouse Union Local 23
  • Toby Murray, Murray Pacific Corporation
  • Tim Thompson, Project Consultant
Begging the City for contracts to the tune of $190,000 claiming you are doing work the City Eco Devo staff cant do, saying you are helping fund public safety and throwing a yearly party does not make you a radical (I am talking about Go Local btw). Lets do the math, Go Local has 500 members. Ask them for $50.00 a year and you will  have $25,000 a year of your own funds to do anything you want. Maybe some of the bigger guys can pay for bigger ticket items. Be self sufficient, dont live off the teat of the tax payers. I think the City of Tacoma and taxpayers are being fleeced!! Someone get Jesse!!!

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 5:57pm
taxpayers are always getting fleeced!  they have a trident nuclear warhead stockpile up in Bremerton that isn't doing shit for the taxpayer... look at the cost for that bullshit down in Hanford. I could care less about another lame ass highway project. Cars belong in a mausoleum!

re: who's who list of knobs!

by low bar on 1/18/2013 @ 6:21pm
@ jesse. Somehow there needs to be some DT identity spilling into that flat. Land. It doesn't have to stop at the Museum of Glass just bc the port is called the port. Actually the port is call New Tacoma I think.

I am asserting that you feel two different things depending on from which direction you are looking. Looking at the port you have to invent the aesthetic, no one is trying to create an aesthetic there. Looking at DT you can see folks creating an aesthetic.

Get it? Cultural Aesthetic leads to attraction leads to activity. Elliot bay creates the aesthetic for free. And nothing beats free. River? I can't see it. I see a river of logistics and I have to create the aesthetic, it's not given to me freely.

by low bar on 1/18/2013 @ 6:26pm
$23,300 a year is too small a number to consider fleecing given the prospects it returns. I can only assume this level of nitpicking is an attempt to create spin in the favor of the big box interests. 

I mean, that $23,300 was spent right? Meaning it went right back into the local economy [via economics 101].

Spending isn't the problem. Saving GIANT sums of money instead of investing is the problem.

If spending is ever the wrong thing, its bc it was spent on the wrong thing ie a F35 joint strike fighter.

Is Go Local an F35? I don't think so. It doesn't protect interests. It creates them.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/18/2013 @ 6:44pm

lowbar, good comments. Just bcs you break up the amount into small chunks doesnt make it any more digestable. Its $190,000.00. Have you made that much money in the last few years? If someone hired you for that much I bet they would want to see some solid results not a great outlook contact list of 500 people and a party downtown. I am not a big box supporter but as the port goes so does the City. They are intertwined like conjoined twins. Look back when the former Port Director was fighting to protect the Port from the craziness of the big playas in downtown ttown that wanted to load up the thea foss with huge condo towers. Genterfication was the word of the day thank you andrea. She was right and did well with that cause. Except we have that ridiculous looking box of building along the Thea Foss to study ways to protect jesse or cj as I will call bullsh*t spending of taxpayer's dollars. I was born and grew up in Tacoma. I will applaud Baarsma for  his love of history since if you dont remember you wont learn expect he can put a kid with ADD and hop up on coffee beans to sleep by talking. But Tacoma has a history of letting a few selfishly lead the way. Again, I applaud what RR calls the downtown radicals but they are bought and sold by the City of Tacoma (thank you Marty "Red Box" Cambell) so their message and efforts are tainted at best.  

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 6:48pm
the port is going away thanks to human caused  climate change.   underwater ports are our future!

by downtownlovemachine on 1/18/2013 @ 7:56pm

We will just be a deeper water port. 

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 8:07pm

by low bar on 1/18/2013 @ 8:15pm
$50 a year is a small price to pay for this service. I agree. But Go Local needed start up. Now that they are up and running I would give them a few more $ before I knee jerk the conservative alarm. The British aren't coming to take your hard earned money just yet.

Like I said before. Here is the math. 23.3k are start up amounts. Like the amount of gas you pour into a carb to get the motor running. Now the motor is running. And its running in and for Tacoma. Its not entirely tuned yet, might need a few things before it can start winning.

Once it really starts winning. Once all these little fish business are gaining traction, then the big fish take notice. But we just have to get the big fish to invest in the small fish instead of flop down a giant stank ass grouper mega low mart that hoovers up all the $ that mom and pop can do better.

RR I think the water tables are going to fuck our food supply before the climate does. I am just glad it rains enough in the NW not for it to mean much to us. But as soon as that dust bowl comes back, we're done.

by low bar on 1/18/2013 @ 8:22pm
Good. 8k less troops = 8k less cars on I5.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/18/2013 @ 9:20pm

low bar, the City of Tacoma squels like a pig during budget time. But when they limply try to retain Russell or "find" funds to give to a non-profit like Go Local that does not create viable results like increasing public safety, decreasing domestic violence or a park; the city "finds" the funds. Most things that are worth it or stand the test of time start with a whisper or a spark, not $190,000.00 in taxpayers dollars to try and stand apart. How can Go Local say they are different when again - THEY ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD BY THE CITY OF TACOMA.I can tell you are not from Tacoma nor steeped in any business exp - no offense, I appreciate your opinion. I wish more people were writing on here, it is rather boring.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/18/2013 @ 9:24pm
Our military will continue to grow. Watch how this works...DOD makes threats, WA state delegation fights back, wins, military grows.

by low bar on 1/18/2013 @ 9:51pm
Until fredo starts squealing like a pig about the 23.3k, I wouldn't worry about it. He's the conservative coalmine canary. Also owns a small business from what I gather. Fredo's silence means there are results. By god I just might get that job at the CIA.

by NineInchNachos on 1/19/2013 @ 6:46am
GO LOCAL SUPPORT FREDO! Shop at Backstage Video in Proctor!

by Daymaker on 1/19/2013 @ 6:55am
We will do that RR! Only video store left. We sure miss that industry. Red Box and Net Flix suck!

by NineInchNachos on 1/19/2013 @ 7:07am
thanks to the efforts of Go Local  we did all our big ticket xmas purchases at the Learning Sprout (Downtown, lego lego sets) and Tacoma Bike (Proctor, 16 inch dirt bike w. training wheels).  And when I couldn't find a KrumKake iron I purchased one (made in USA) from Amazon... which is kind of Go Local.

I stare at my "GO LOCAL SHIFT HAPPENS" sticker affixed to my political cartooning pencil case every Tuesday to pump myself up into a frothy mixture of hope and change.... KICKING ASS FOR THE LORD!

by NineInchNachos on 1/19/2013 @ 7:11am

by Daymaker on 1/19/2013 @ 7:25am
Well said my friend! Lowes is NOT your local Hardware store even though its on the corner in your neighborhood. It's really more about being independently owned than geographic location.We need med and large business too. It's an eco system. Also the stronger and more vibrant our small business sector is, the more a large business will want to locate here. They don't want the responsibility of creating the vibrancy and engine of commerce. They want their employees to have great places to live, vibrant neighborhoods, good schools and amenities in close proximity of their jobs. There have been 75-100 new small businesses take root in Downtown since Russrl left. 95% of the businesses in our Neighborhood Business Districts are small and independent. Even approx 1/3 of our primary employers are independently owned like Simpson, Brown and Haley, Globe, Seldens, and because they are Local Independent more of their dollar we spend with them stays here. 

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 7:59am
Lowes has a local ownership aspect. My wife and I own about $10,000 in Lowes common stock and we live in Tacoma. When dividend checks arrive in the mail we deposit them in our local bank and spend those dividends locally. I like Lincoln Hardware and we shop there sometimes so I'm not saying anything bad about Lincoln Hardware.

When we tire of owning stock in Lowes we can sell it in a few minutes right here on my computer. If you are the owner of a small business it's very hard to turn your ownership position into cash. I would say nearly impossible. Advantage large business.

The federal government actually has programs to encourage people to invest in large businesses. These programs are known as SEP plans, SEP-IRAs, 401K plans, Roth plans, etc.  This federal encouragement allows wall street firms to acquire huge amounts of capital quickly. Advantage large business 

I'm a big advocate of small locally owned business and it helps our community immensely when they thrive but there are advantages the big businesses have that can't be overcome by a local rah-rah initiative.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/19/2013 @ 8:15am
Wow, you all must be well off enough to scoff at $23K or $190K. The next time the City of Tacoma "finds" funds to plant trees and ponds to hold stormwater or other odds and ends, dont complain. I am all in on Go Local. But when they claim on their website that you get "free" stuff as a member of Go Local, that is a lie. It is not free, it has been paid for by the taxpayers of Tacoma so Go Local is bought and sold by the City of Tacoma and their staff.  Like I said before, most of you were an egg waiting for some love when I was working, shopping, eating and hanging out in Downtown Tacoma back in the day when it was amazing. Here are two things I tell my grandkids when they get frustrated about not getting their way - you cant make people do what you want; and to be happy with what they have and enjoy it.  I do find it odd that Marty Cambell, the Deputy Mayor that giggles on TVTacoma everytime he is called that, is a founder of Go Local and Go Local is contracting with the City of Tacoma for tens of thousands of dollars.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/19/2013 @ 8:20am anything odd in the blurb below from the article link above btw... We can be grateful the Maritime City we call home is dong so well economically, especially during a time when many cities in the state and nationwide are dealing with massive budget shortfalls, with some even filing for bankruptcy protection, like the California cities of Mammoth Lakes, San Bernardino and Stockton.
Read more here:

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 8:20am
downtown, I like your postings. Generally, I agree that the council shouldn't be spending tax funds on these pet projects. There are ways to encourage businesses to locate in Tacoma, small and large alike. The best way is to make sure our sales tax rates are the lowest and also to continue working to eliminate the b&o tax. Most small businesses already know about networking and reaching out to local shoppers via facebook and groupon and twitter. They really don't need another layer of government outreach.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 8:28am
downtown, rather than placing a link to the NewsTribune which requires folks to subscribe to the digital content, can you just copy and paste the relevant information into your posting? I'm interested in anything local people have to say about our budget and how we might avoid bankruptcy right here in Tacoma.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 8:35am
The liberals love to trash talk conservatives by pointing out that trickle down economics doesn't work yet the DT "improvement" is the result of liberal trickle down economic policy. The claim is that when the taxpayers install a huge multi million dollar infrastructure that the benefits will trickle down to the local businesses and taxpayers. And if there are no benefits once all the money is spent...oh well, my bad.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/19/2013 @ 9:12am
Yes I will Fredo. Damn TNT!!! I was making fun of the Gig Harbor article in a childish way since the typo "dong" was included in the article. And I agree about the BandO taxes since every year and every wanna be politician complains about that. Also I agree that local businesses have many tools and resources at hand to not sell their soul to the City of Tacoma and have the odacity to claim victory over a website and a big conference/party once a  year. Not it makes sense that Marty "Red Box" Cambell pushed for Davis the VP of Go Local and signee of one of the contracts between Go Local and the City of Tacoma for $50,000.00 for an appointment on the City Council...

by NineInchNachos on 1/19/2013 @ 9:24am
I prefer credit unions :)

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 9:29am
Probably not a core mission for the city council to be involved with promoting any particular category of business. Marty's heart is in the right place. l think he really wants Tacoma to be a better place.

by NineInchNachos on 1/19/2013 @ 9:41am
I came to Tacoma in 2001...  whatever the previous generations were doing has left Tacoma in ruin.  Let's put grandpa in the old folks home and try new ideas!

by downtownlovemachine on 1/19/2013 @ 9:43am
The Council's job is to create, debate and vote in policy and create and pass a budget. The current council is so diverse becuase there is no leadership on council. I think Cambell gets caught up in the pomp and circumstance of the Council and politics and enjoys the attention too much.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 9:45am
"Let's put grandpa in the old folks home and try new ideas!"

What are the new ideas that haven't been tried before?

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 10:44am
Here's an old grandpa idea that should probably be retired:

The city allows groups of city workers to band together and demand wage levels that the citizens of Tacoma can neither afford nor sustain.

Let's try a new idea like RR says.

Let's let the marketplace set wages for city workers.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/19/2013 @ 11:01am
Yes please on the city wages. I will say the TNT does a great job with having the links to what city staff get paid. It is gross since I see a couple of the folks making 140,000 a year at the beach tavern around 3 pm most weeks when I am there visiting old friends. I am retired mind you.  

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 11:11am
downtown, not just city wages also city utilities. Ever wonder why you have a $400+ utility bill? Do we really need to pay garbage carriers close to $100,000 per year just to drive a route and work a little hydraulic arm? Pretty sure we could train a minimum wage fellow to perform this job and cut down on the utility bills. Yikes!

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 11:59am
Trickle down isn't working bc the jobs aren't being created in America. If all jobs were being created in America, trickle down would work in theory. 

DT "improvement" as fredumbo puts it, is a result of AMERICAN JOBS. LOCAL JOBS.

That's when trickle down works. But I guess you have to understand economics to know that.

Liberals know the difference bc they don't use motivated reasoning when considering the trickle down theory.

Taking out 100k in wages does what to local spending??? Not to mention home values.

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 12:06pm
@ downtown At what age did you retire and begin using Social Sec?

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 12:16pm
A wage earner spending ALL OF THEIR MONTHLY WAGES is what grows our economy. How do you make sure the working man spends ALL OF HIS WAGES???


The idea is to have a large lower working class that spends all their money so the upper class doesn't have to. How to get there? Force everyone out of the middle class. Smart middle class will move up, dumb middle class will move down.

I bet you fredo looks just like one of those fucking dwarfs off the hobbit, and sits on all his coins just like they do.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 12:28pm

but low bar, RR said we need to retire those old grandpa ideas and try NEW ideas. Also how does paying 1 person $100K per year put more money in the local economy then hiring 4 people at $25K each per year? Last time I checked thats the same amount of spending. 

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 12:35pm
Well, for starters fredo, where are those 4 people @ 25k going to buy a home? Next to yours? If those 4 people @ 25k can only afford to spend all their hard earned money at Walmart, does that leave them with any money to spend at your business? I'll go as low as 2 people earning 50k. But that's my ethical line in the sand.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 1:08pm

You want a society where 1 person earns $100K and 3 people are unemployed so that the one person can buy an expensive house.Well, where are the 3 unemployed people going to live, next to your house/ Without a $25k year job those three people can't even afford to shop at walmart. They will need to scrounge leftovers out of the garbage bins. I don't think that's very nice but it doesn't seem to violate your" ethical line in the sand."

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 1:46pm
Here is the world according to fredo. Have HIGH EMPLOYEE TURNOVER. Talk about having poor business sense. Employees are an investment.

You don't buy the cheapest machine for your assembly line only to have it constantly break down, need repairs, and more over, expensive replacement.

No, what I am saying is have 4 people, and pay them ALL 100k! That is my republic!

See the difference? The difference is that those 4 people will get more coins that fredo's fat dwarf ass is sitting on, that's all. It's a means to get money circulating and spending to occur.

But you would only understand that if you weren't a fat fucking greedy dwarf.

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 1:55pm
The more the working class is paid, the earlier they can retire.

Heck, you pay the working class enough and guess what?? You can get rid of social security!

The whole reason we have social security is bc fat fucking greedy fucks like fredo won't pay people enough to retire on!!!

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 1:56pm
In theory we should only have social security for the disabled. 

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 2:10pm
Double the minimum wage by law of the land!

Government is the only institution that protects the common American!

That's why business hates government!

Bc business has no real power.
The law of the land is the one true power.

It's why business spends millions every year to influence the tax law.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 2:12pm
High employee turnover in today's economy? doubtful

"But you would only understand that if you weren't a fat fucking greedy dwarf."

Personal attack indicates you can't defend your own POV or that you are a jerk.

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 2:15pm
Unemployment is the same thing as high employee turn over.

So in fredo's mind, we don't have high unemployment I guess.

Bring all outsourced jobs back to American soil, double the minimum wage and guess what???

You can get rid of medicare, and social security!

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 2:22pm
Ok I apologize for calling fredo a fat fucking dwarf, even though he is.

Personally I don't really care what happens to the dwarfs since I am an elf. RR is a wizard. Ciss is a human. Jesse is a hobbit.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 2:23pm

Medicare and social security don't have anything to do with the Tacoma City Council. Just more lowbar thread drift.

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 2:34pm
Fredo started the drift by bringing trickle down into it.

What does trickle down have to do with the Tacoma City Council?

Or with efforts like Go Local?

If trickle down worked, would Go Local exist?

If trickle down worked, would we need medicare and social security?

Fredo, you don't have a high enough IQ to debate me. You may as well be silent.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 2:42pm

  You are text like professor.

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 2:54pm
Silence dwarf!

by NineInchNachos on 1/19/2013 @ 5:26pm
no no, not the same boring ideas Fredo.. .   something radically different.  something completely crazy...  something so awesome nobody has ever thought of it yet. 

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 5:34pm

It was YOUR suggestion that we retire old ideas and try new ideas. So what are your new ideas. Or was that just something to say?

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 5:47pm
All the ideas necessary for a healthy society are already known.

The problem is the economic bullying.

We've got a lot of Lance Armstrongs in business bullying and making ethics almost non existent.

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 5:59pm

Who are the Tacoma business men who are "bullying and making ethics almost non existent?"

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 6:34pm
Don't know. They haven't popped up on my Oprahdar yet. 

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 7:14pm
We have a lot of businessmen in Tacoma who "bully and make ethics almost non-existant" and don't know of any.

I would expect a person of high IQ like yourself to provide a few examples when you claim there are 'lots." 

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 7:17pm
I said lots in general. Did I say lots in Tacoma? Or did you spin that? Ask me lots in general and I will point to all the fuckers that have landed up in jail for unethical business behavior. Or have you never heard of Enron? 

I don't think it matters to tell you who the bullies are bc even if you were smart enough to understand the math, which you clearly are not, you wouldn't give two ethical hoots bc you are morally poisoned.

Suggesting we break up the middle class in order to create a giant lower class, as you suggest with going with market wage model, points out you've got the ethical back bone of a face sucking vampire squid.

Keep pushing it though. I am sure this is great PR for your small business.

by downtownlovemachine on 1/19/2013 @ 7:28pm
lowbar, for the record I retired 10 years ago at 65. Starting drawing SS when I was 70. In regards to you and Fredos bombs back and forth, Tacoma needs to be a livable City. We cannot keep giving tax breaks to use as ways to beg business to locate here. We may get some jobs and people downtown, but where is the money for infrastructure, etc? Good transportation, safe/clean neigborhoods and great schools are what attract but retain businesses. What are you thoughts on Tacoma in those three catagories?

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 7:53pm
 RR's blog is about TACOMA low bar. Look at the title of the thread MR high IQ.
Why do you keep trying to hijack RRs blog? If there aren't any unethical business men in Tacoma then why don't you just say so and quit with your malicious and mostly incoherent bullshit?

 If you think that people who need jobs in Tacoma are worth $100K per year then why don't you go out and hire them. Who is stopping you?

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 8:00pm
It's true Fredo. I have no power to open a business and pay my employees 100k per year wage.

I do however possess the power of the pen and I am currently writing a bill that I can give to any of my senators or congressmen that I voted for which would put to a vote an increase in the minimum wage of WA state.

Should that bill ever pass in state legislation, dear fredo, you'll have to go fuck yourself and pay up, seeing as you own a small business that either does or does not employ using the market wage model.

How do you like them apples?

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 8:02pm
@ downtown. I agree on all three. The begging is done. 

by fredo on 1/19/2013 @ 8:12pm

  Nobody in congress is going to pay any attention to your imaginary  "bill." That's just meaningless drivel.

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 8:17pm
@ downtown. the way to clean up neighborhoods is to let the people clean them up. The people will clean them up when they have money to fix their homes. They can get money to fix their homes if we double the minimum wage. 

Yes there aren't many jobs, but a way around that is to just pay someone double for the employment they already have. Putting them squarely into the upper middle class purchasing power bracket. Remember when Dad worked and Mom stayed at home?

Yeah that was back when Dad was actually getting paid enough. Wages are not keeping up with inflation, yet productivity is soaring. Unions are gone. Wages are flat. Have been flat since the 70's. We can't negotiate with the bullies for higher wages.

We have to force them through law.

One day I am going to run for office on this platform and win. And I am going to take all the fredo's in WA, and hang them upside down from their big fat dwarf feet and make it rain gold coins all over WA.

by low bar on 1/19/2013 @ 8:18pm
Oh they will when once I've passed the state bar fredo. You are going to listen. Congress is going to listen.

Bc guess what?

No greater political power exists in America then a white man with a conscience and a license to practice law.

by cisserosmiley on 1/20/2013 @ 9:05am
I feel that you have racially biased views.

by NineInchNachos on 1/20/2013 @ 10:15am
come on you guys civility!  this is why we can't have nice things.

by low bar on 1/20/2013 @ 10:53am
No we can't all have nice things bc of inflation and the market power being exerted by a few lance armstrongs.

That's funny I thought my views were clearly middle earthically biased, Ciss. 

by low bar on 1/20/2013 @ 11:06am
BTW NIN "TEA PARTY ASS HAT" doesn't sound like a 'civil' labeling to me, but I am glad to see it in your tacomic there at the top.

On a side note, is there anyone who understands macro economics or is it just me? Rising prices = rising incomes? No?


by cisserosmiley on 1/20/2013 @ 1:14pm
Tacoma is a study in statistical deviance.

by NineInchNachos on 1/20/2013 @ 1:52pm
I'm just as guilty of being a jerk as anyone...  so I'm going to work on saying nice things to people from now until MLK JR day. 
Love is the ultimate weapon!

by low bar on 1/20/2013 @ 2:49pm
Love is a great thing. But you have to give it a direction or you are just loving yourself like Lance Armstrong. 

The ultimate utility is love for god and country. Just ask Bin Laden how powerful that love is. 

Love for Tacoma, or country, is a good utility for influencing it's microeconomics through policy.

by NineInchNachos on 1/20/2013 @ 4:28pm
I don't think OBL believed in 'killing em with kindness' or 'turning the other cheek'  the same way our friend MLK JR did.  stay gold pony boy!

by NineInchNachos on 1/20/2013 @ 4:37pm
the roof the roof the roof is on fire...

"Despite the evidence that sea levels are rising, jurisdictions
throughout the Puget Sound region – including Pierce County and the Port
of Tacoma – have been slow to react, paralyzed by the potential
enormity of the problem and lingering doubts that scientists’
projections of dramatic tidal change really will take place."
Read more here:

by low bar on 1/20/2013 @ 7:18pm
Perhaps the city can bitch slap C and S corporations in the port with a local carbon tax.

by NineInchNachos on 2/11/2013 @ 6:43pm
Robert Thoms update:

by NineInchNachos on 2/25/2013 @ 9:58pm
so it begins!   and we will see how well the council did at picking a winner...