Tacoma Elks Lodge 174 Walmart Sellout

Curse of the Goddess of Commerce--or--NOT IN MY BACKYARD, BITCHES!
posted Sep 6, 2011
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If you've ever seen the cult-classic film BAD TASTE, there is a scene where an alien invader, disguised as a human, vomits putrid/lumpy green slime into a bowl which is passed around the room of incognito aliens who hungrily slurp it down until the bowl gets passed to an actual human infiltrator who has to slurp from the vomit bowl or risk being detected as human. This scene made quite an impression on me as a teenager... and those same feelings of thrilling repulsiveness spurts through my brain when I think about a Super Walmart moving into my neighborhood.   Central Tacoma got the shit end of the Clear Channel Compromise Settlement (most of the Billboards get dumped here) and so now a Walmart is like a sparkling sh!t candle on top of the baked-Alaska sh!t cake.  You can imagine how Lauren Walker must feel--pretty goddamned outraged is what I'd guess!   I can't believe the Elks would sellout to Wally World. Those folks are supposed to be a BENEVOLENT PROTECTIVE ORDER.  

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Previously on the Tacomic 

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 12:43am

Tacoma City Council candidate Will Baker's thoughts on the council's new six month moratorium on ďbig boxĒ stores

1. The developer was in the wrong by being cute and should have from the start been upfront about what kind of development is going to be done on the Elk's property.

2. The current City Council is in the wrong by not putting the moratorium on the public agenda so that all citizens of Tacoma could decide if they wanted to testify about the moratorium. (There was no reason not to wait a week to vote on the moratorium except for the fact that it is a Tacoma City Council election year. By the way, do not hold your breath waiting for Toby Nixon or Washington State Auditor Brian Sonntag to complain about this even though they are the big wigs behind the Washington State Open Government Coalition.)

3. Will Baker can not help but notice that it appears that the current City Council plans to postpone every hot button issue until after the election by passing one moratorium after another. (So far, the current City Council has passed a moratorium on digital billboards until after the election. The current City Council has passed a moratorium/asked a committee to advise them later about marijuana. And now, the current City Council has passed a six month moratorium on big box stores with no public notice until after the fact.)

4. Will Baker would like to see the developers keep the park like setting behind the Elk's lodge that runs along Cedar Street to stay a park for the neighborhood to enjoy.

*Baker is currently a candidate for City Council At-Large position #8. His opponent is current council appointee Ryan Mello.

by L.S.Erhardt on 9/6/2011 @ 3:38am
Impressive, sir.

Most impressive.

by L.S.Erhardt on 9/6/2011 @ 3:39am
Clean this up by only having the WM smiley barfing for a poster. That would be effective and a great visual to put as a poster all over town.

by The Jinxmedic on 9/6/2011 @ 5:59am
Hmm, this is actually pretty good...

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 7:37am
The Goddess of Commerce is unvielded and she's already working her magic!

She's not only bringing a much needed infusion of jobs and commerce in general, she's also making sure that we honor the poor chinese families who may be the descendants of the original Chinese expelled during the 1880s by providing a place for them to offer their goods.

And look at the bright side RR, now all those old Elks club people will be gone.

by The Jinxmedic on 9/6/2011 @ 8:05am
Ha hah hahahaha! Chinese reconcilliation in action....

by Jesse on 9/6/2011 @ 8:09am
I hear they need to sell this property for their very survival -- according to the newspaper quotes. That says that the current CEO (or pooh-bah... or whatever) has no long range plan other than raiding assets of previous generations of Elks which is not a sustainable model. When this model of "leadership" finally brings them to the brink of collapse, it's sad the Elks will be remembered not by what they did in the community but by the neighborhood killing empty Elks lodge they abandoned downtown and the legacy of a WalMart.

Here's an idea: Instead of raiding assets to survive, the Elks should increase membership and community influence to obtain more dollars.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 8:27am
Thought about recommending folks cancel their Elks memberships in exchange for Knights of Pythias memberships, but then I thought no... Elks just needs an influx of young, progressive types. They wouldn't need to sell off this property if they had a crap load of members. We've rented their big event theater once... so many old folks, the place reeks of apathy/death. The retro 1960's avocado interiors would be popular with the hipsters. I'm inspired to take Fredo's advice an purchase the place myself. Anyone have some money I could borrow?

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 8:30am
Jesse, I can't speak on behalf of the Elks, but I think you will find that a lot of the old fraternal order organizations from the 1800s are finding it difficult to sustain their missions. Perhaps the Elks organization is not a "sustainable model." I really can't fault them for trying to realize the most money from the sale of their property as possible.

If any one of us was selling our home and we had 2 offers to consider, one from the Pope for $100,000 and another from John Gotti for $1M, I have no doubt that most people would take the $1M.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 8:44am
more New Takhoman!

"Mello speaks in e-mails last Friday to The New Takhoman about the Elks property -Walmart deal
Takhoman: Councilman Mello. Your opponent, Will Baker, for City Council at-large position # 8 in an e-mail this week stated, ďI canít help but notice that it appears that the Council plans to postpone every hot button issue until after the election by passing one moratorium after another. So far, the Council has passed a moratorium on digital billboards, asked a committee to advise them on marijuana and now has passed a six month moratorium on big box stores.
Do you agree with his statement that the council is putting off hot button issues until after the election?
Mello: Has nothing to do with Election Day. Has everything to do with the process laid out in the Charter to deal with complex land use matters such as these. They have extensive public process, Planning Commission process, staff process, City Council process to work through and we need to follow deadlines set out by state law and City Charter.

We are being thoughtful on the approach to these major items instead of rushing them through and I hope you can see that.
Takhoman: Also do you think there would have been the uproar if an IKEA had been planned for the Elks property rather than a Walmart?
Mello: IKEA, I don't know. I can only speak for myself. I want to see a livable, walk able community and a mixed use development there and in all of our CCX zoning. I do not think those kinds of parcels, parts of neighborhoods and zones are appropriate to have big box stores. I want to have a livable, walk able community throughout our neighborhoods."

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 9:21am

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 9:23am
"We are being thoughtful on the approach to these major items instead of rushing them through and I hope you can see that." Mello

Mello seems to have a sort of selective memory about the approach he and the other council members take to public policy matters (i.e. "major items"). Within the just the last year, Mello has participated in rushing through the approval of both a huge expenditure of money on the Reconciliation Park cost overruns and in rushing through a settlement agreement with Clear Channel that has now embroiled the city in a multi-million dollar law suit. All with little opportunity for public input.

Therefore, I would say that Mello's inconsistant statement is just self-serving rubbish.

by Chase on 9/6/2011 @ 9:33am
Mello is self serving obtaining funding for parks? Is he also self-serving in his contributions to the YWCA domestic violence shelter? Sheesh...His comments, on the same side as Bakers, just not as aggressive, are very appropriate. Wal-Mart has demonstrably, negatively impacted the sustainability of American jobs in the manufacturing and small business sector. Given the City of Tacoma's priority is economic development and Wal-Mart is infamous for job loss, and creation only of lower-wage-paying retail jobs, Mello's comments and the council's approach should be to do whatever they can to halt this deal, following proper protocol.

by cisserosmiley on 9/6/2011 @ 9:36am
in my memories i do not recall so many short-term bans happening on so many issues...maybe a new strategy brought on by the pressures of wil baker and the traveller on current council seat holders?

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 9:43am
Asked my wife if she would think differently about the elks sale if the Walmart was an Ikea. It's not about what brand of big's the big box and worse traffic that is the issue here. That area already has TERRIBLE traffic thanks to the obnoxious Target. Now add a Walmart and you'd have a traffic problem on an epic scale.

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 9:44am
"Mello is self serving obtaining funding for parks?" chase

Please become informed about the issue, Chase. Chinese Reconciliation Park was supposed to be funded 100% by private donations. The city permitted a non-profit group to build their park on city property...but it wasn't a city project.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 9:46am
Goddess bless The Traveller and Will Baker

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 9:48am
"WM smiley barfing for a poster. That would be effective and a great visual to put as a poster all over town."


(please use made-in-the-usa paper products)

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 9:49am
"Now add a Walmart and you'd have a traffic problem on an epic scale." nachos

Agreed. But is it fair to make WM jump over zoning hurdles that other big box stores aren't required to jump over.? I recall a few years ago the city allowed the Costco to be built just south of 38th and Steele. The fact that horrible traffic jams were predicted and subsequently occurred didn't seem to prevent construction. What's different here?

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 9:54am
"Is he (Mello) also self-serving in his contributions to the YWCA domestic violence shelter?" chase

What contribution? People who announce what they give to charitable groups usually want something in return.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 9:58am
all is fair in love and wa(lma)r(t)

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 10:06am
ha, that's funny. You know, RR, I think your poster is going to catch some national interest. It has relevance beyond our city borders. Although I think you have unfairly maligned WM, I have to admit the imagery is classic. Love the Chinese lapel pin.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 10:11am
Walmart is evil! They hate Women and stuff. The only reason they weren't sued into oblivion is because of the right wingers on the supreme court or something ! Thanks for the feedback though. I think i'll try pitching this toon to the Cartoon Movement folks.

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 10:18am
When Anders bought some copies of your Tacomic Book you found it impossible to draw anything humorous or critical about him. In fact you accept every non-sensical position statement of his without any question.

Therefore, I expect that if the Wal Mart Corp decided to buy a pallet-load of your Tacomics you would probably become a big supporter of their activities.

I guess you could say that Wal Mart is Anders Ibsen...all growed up!

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 10:29am
I promise... no I PLEDGE once Anders is safely elected, the cartoon good times will roll.

It's too bad the Fredo isn't running for anything. YOU could have just as easily been Carl Alexander!

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 10:35am
MEANWHILE email inbox goodness from "JOBS WITH JUSTICE"


Picket Anti-worker Union-buster Invading Tacoma
Wednesday, Sept 7, 11 to 1pm
IGA City Grocer at 1250 Pacific Ave, Tacoma

Join with UFCW 367 union members to picket the grand opening of IGA City Grocer owned by the Tyler Myers Group, a seasoned union-buster and labor law violator using our tax dollars to extract our community consumer dollars. Downtown business interests got the City to spend millions in corporate welfare tax-dollars to entice the Tyler Myers Group to Tacoma even after the George Bush federal labor board issued indictments and rulings against the company for unlawful violations of worker rights.

ÔŅĹ Myers ran a textbook worker terrorizing campaign over many years in Ocean Shores when a large majority of workers organized for better jobs. Myers has assigned the Ocean Shores manager from this campaign to manage the Tacoma store.
ÔŅĹ In a 3 year battle, Myers wore down Ocean Shores workers by attrition in an isolated rural community where his IGA was the only grocery in town. Over those 3 years, the Bush labor board forced Myers to a union election re-run for violating federal labor law, rejected MyersÔŅĹ numerous appeals and delays, and issued unfair labor practice indictments for Myers treatment of workers. The workers endured an endless barrage of anti-union boss meetings, literature, mailings and undertook a bitter winter 9 month strike to get a first union contract that was supported by a unanimous vote.
ÔŅĹ Business has promoted this store opening as a ÔŅĹLabor Battle BrewingÔŅĹ and deemed Myers as a ÔŅĹpowerful new competitorÔŅĹ indicating that this fight is far broader than simply Myers, which employs only 400 workers statewide. This fight may become our local ground zero to restore momentum for the Employee Free Choice Act.

We canÔŅĹt let Myers import his mistreatment of isolated rural and economically depressed communities into our community.


RR COMMENTARY: YES the union will be picketing the new downtown grocery store. Good gravy, after years and years of EVERYONE praying and hoping for a downtown grocery store... WHO is in charge of the union's public relations arm? Bet they're the same public relations firm working for the Elks.

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 10:55am
RR, I think we can see that you hate any business that might bring some prosperity to our down trodden city. Good luck with that. Now, if we could just figure a way to close all the existing minimum wage businesses in town we can schedule a grand celebration to usher in our wonderful Utopia.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 11:06am
I wish TNT would run another Walmart story so I could post my cartoon and get a rise from more than just one TEA farty man.

by cisserosmiley on 9/6/2011 @ 11:15am
close the dt grocer!!! it is horrible they are anti-union!!! close them before they open!!!

by tacoma1 on 9/6/2011 @ 11:17am

We are the only ones that think walmart sucks

by cisserosmiley on 9/6/2011 @ 11:49am
NPR article in defense of walmart...

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 11:54am
cissero@ good stuff. WalMart is an underwriter for National Public Radio. Any comment from the haters?

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 12:04pm
"WalMart is an underwriter for National Public Radio. Any comment from the haters?"

Same reason horrible dictators build their military bunkers under children's hospitals; cigarette manufacturers give money to anti-teen smoking non-profit front groups; and billboard companies donate to traffic accident head trauma non-profit front groups. Human shield PR white washing!

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 12:13pm
"Human shield PR white washing!"

Sort of like when Anders gets RR to sign on to his campaign.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 12:21pm
No way. Anders promised me an elected position! Czar of Cartoon Economic Development... Not sure why you're pumping Anders so hard...(not his district) but this would be an awesome time to get an official statement from him. Thanks for the idea.

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 12:40pm
Right on RR. Why haven't Anders and Karen weighed in on the issue? If I were running for city council and was in a neck to neck race I'd be all over the social media. Maybe these two don't get it. Doesn't matter if the subject property is in their district. I think the moratorium applies to all big box development in the city.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 12:43pm
@cisserosmiley awesome link sir. Lots of food for thought.

by Anders on 9/6/2011 @ 12:51pm
It's important that we use every means at our disposal to protect our local assets and build Tacoma into the thriving urban community we know it can be. While encouraging private development is essential to our city's success, we have to make sure that it is the -right- kind of development that furthers our goals.

WalMart is not the kind of development we should pursue as urbanists who care about our city. I think it's deeply cynical to feign concern for the unemployed to give the green light to a corporation with a proven track record of killing small businesses, glutting communities with the worst excesses of urban sprawl, and treating their employees so savagely that most of them qualify for public assistance. The solution to unemployment is not poverty, it's shared opportunity.

by Anders on 9/6/2011 @ 12:52pm
And, for the record, I've made at least 3 public Facebook posts about the Walmart, and I belong to all the anti-Walmart Facebook groups. So I think I've got social media covered.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 12:56pm
Monster Girlee writes:

@RR_Anderson What else can I do to oppose this monstrosity? Facebook opposition is not enough. #tacoma


1. Start attending Central Tacoma Neighborhood Council meetings..

2. Contact your Tacoma City Council representative...

3. Testify at City Council Meetings...

4. Write letters to the Editor (

5. Contact Elks leadership... and

6. Print this cartoon and wheatpaste everywhere!

7. post your media-stunt-activist-happening ideas in the comments below.

by L.S.Erhardt on 9/6/2011 @ 1:34pm
Why are the Elks and fraternal organizations waning into oblivion?

Because they were the social networks of past generations. The new ones (FB, G+, etc) are filling that role. THAT is what's killing these types of organizations.

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 1:38pm
"we have to make sure that it is the -right- kind of development that furthers our goals" Ibsen

OUR goals? Does this mean that everyone in Tacoma has the same goal? A person who is unemployed has the goal of finding an employer. A person who is charged with selling a development parcel has a goal of finding a buyer for his property. A construction worker has a goal of locating a large construction project. Are you concerned with these goals or just some vague Utopian goal?

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 1:41pm
"It's important that we use every means at our disposal to protect our local assets" Ibsen

You mean the big box Elks club with it's dwindling membership and weed choked parking lot serving as a home to RVer's and Christmas Tree lots is a local asset we should be protecting?

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 1:45pm
"The solution to unemployment is not poverty, it's shared opportunity." Ibsen

You mean the people who begin working for WalMart are going to be leaving their middle and upper class lifestyles and begin an impoverished lifestyle? And you would prefer it if people didn't have the opportunity to work for WalMart, and instead began sharing some other "opportunity?" What does that even mean?

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 1:53pm
you're welcome Fredo.

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 2:00pm
Ha, I knew Anders would appear if you rang his bell. Good job RR.

With 8 weeks left until the election I'm wondering if Anders can afford to lose the support of all the Elks Club Members, the unemployed people who want a job at the future WM, all the construction crews and engineering firms who would be working on the WM parcel and all the shoppers who love the WM low prices. That could turn the election into Smitherman's column. Bold move by Anders to alienate a large part of his constituency. Can't build Utopia without stepping on a few toes.

by The Jinxmedic on 9/6/2011 @ 2:21pm
The only thing I like about Utopia is the free Soma.... ...mmmm...

(or is that "dystopia"? I can never figure out which one we're in anymore...)

by cisserosmiley on 9/6/2011 @ 2:26pm

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 2:31pm
"walmart will target their competition, large and small, tailoring their prices and inventory to drive the others out of business. then they will stop carrying all that stuff and raise their prices. it's how they drove the craft supply and fabric stores out of aberdeen. they do the same thing with grocery stores. actually, this practice affects the entire supply chain and directly undermines the wages of factory workers who produce their goods. the displaced retail workers who will have to take jobs at walmart will be paid substantially less and will not have the chance to unionize. if the national averages are any indication, these workers will be forced to apply for food stamps. they will not have benefits, which will in turn strain the emergency rooms at the hospitals. it's a large scale, extremely detrimental chain reaction impacting the entire local economy. there." - A Facebook User


by on 9/6/2011 @ 2:51pm
Are you saying that Anders is in favor of prohibiting the location in Tacoma of any business which "targets their competition" or "tailors their price and inventory?" And what about all the local businesses which already have employees who apply for food stamps? Time to shut them down too? No benefits? Shut those businesses down right away?

My God, why don't our elected leaders start enforcing "OUR Goals?" We cannot begin the important business of "sharing opportunities" until this cesspool of evil business owners is drained from our city.

by on 9/6/2011 @ 2:51pm
this is true, a law like seattles requiring emplyers to give certain bene's could be more effective than general, and temporary, regulation against big box stores...hey anders and k.s., would you support mandated medical insurance for employees of businesses in the city limits?

by on 9/6/2011 @ 2:56pm
welcome ANONYMOUS!

by on 9/6/2011 @ 2:57pm
what the duce?

by on 9/6/2011 @ 3:00pm
Why stop at health insurance benefits? People need food to eat and places to live. Why don't we require the employers to provide food and housing as well? And while we're at it, we can't be truly progressive unless we provide a 6 month sabattical each year with all expenses paid to the vacation spot of the employees choice? These should be codified into OUR Goal as soon as Anders takes office. This will bring about "shared opportunities" of every description. Oh, it's going to be happy life.

by on 9/6/2011 @ 3:01pm
I, RR Anderson, agree with everything Fredo has said today and in the past.

by on 9/6/2011 @ 3:20pm
Unions are bad. I hate minimum wage laws. But the one and only thing that gives comfort is RR Anderson's book 100 Tacomics available for purchase at these pro-business capitalist establishments

Much love,

by KevinFreitas on 9/6/2011 @ 3:53pm
Sorry for the mix-up gang. Everything should be working as normal again. Thx for your patience as I build new stuff (and sometimes break old)!

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 4:05pm
that was a close one. I changed my avatar to a communist organizing poster and it made the entire feedtacoma go crazy!

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 4:48pm

by cisserosmiley on 9/6/2011 @ 5:31pm
this is true, a law like seattles requiring employers to give certain bene's could be more effective than general, and temporary, regulation against big box stores...hey anders and k.s., would you support mandated medical insurance for employees of businesses in the city limits?

by fredo on 9/6/2011 @ 5:39pm
I asked Anders three questions I'm still waiting for answers but I like your question a lot. I think it deserves an answer, cissero.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 8:46pm
Yeah! I didn't know Seattle was cool like that. Surprised Rob McKenna hasn't sued them.

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 8:51pm
they sold out Tacoma, and the largest lodge in all of elkdom for this little piss pot of a lodge. Can you believe it?

by Altered Chords on 9/6/2011 @ 9:27pm
thank goodness that bin laden is gone and we can now focus on the terrorist organization walmart. Forcing people to work there, forcing people to buy their shoody chinese crap. we need the fbi, cia, nsa and tacoma city council on this one.

by Altered Chords on 9/6/2011 @ 9:28pm
thank goodness that bin laden is gone and we can now focus on the terrorist organization walmart. Forcing people to work there, forcing people to buy their shoody chinese crap. we need the fbi, cia, nsa and tacoma city council on this one.

by cisserosmiley on 9/6/2011 @ 9:50pm
seattles new rule would mandate sick leave

by NineInchNachos on 9/6/2011 @ 11:49pm
If I was the Tacoma Food Coop right now I'd be taking advantage of this Tacoma anti-walmart outrage with a membership drive blitz campaign. One of those facebook groups is up over a thousand members and it's been like what, half a week?

100 dollars for a lifetime membership, that's REAL value!

by NineInchNachos on 9/7/2011 @ 12:05am
funny comment on facebook:

"Joan Morris Martin: I still find it very odd that Walmart would want to build on UNION Ave. Will they demand the city change the name of the street to Non-Union Ave?"

by fredo on 9/7/2011 @ 6:12am
people who get jobs at WM can buy Tacoma Food Coop memberships. WIN WIN

"One of those facebook groups (anti WM) is up over a thousand members and it's been like what, half a week?"

Wow, using a friendship social site to assemble haters. Ingenious. Are you and Anders two of the virtual brown shirts?.

by NineInchNachos on 9/7/2011 @ 8:12am
new O&J

by NineInchNachos on 9/7/2011 @ 8:13am
Thanks Lewis!

"Enacting a moratorium Ė an emergency six-month ban to halt certain projects pending further city review Ė has seemingly become the preferred tool for a council faced with thorny land-use issues."

Read more:

by The Jinxmedic on 9/7/2011 @ 8:36am
Controversy is the new black.

by NineInchNachos on 9/7/2011 @ 8:42am
Anytime you remove a despot (Eric Anderson) it takes time to repair the basic infrastructure. Wear your moratoriums like a badge of courage. Lets get our codes updated.

by fredo on 9/7/2011 @ 9:08am
Yes, our city desperately needs a moritorium to prevent businesses from opening new employment opportunities here. We are having a big problem with a glut of jobs and not enough people to fill the openings. Good for our courageous city council to recognize this problem.

by cisserosmiley on 9/7/2011 @ 9:17am
There should be a tax exemption for any city resident selling items similar to walmart gear

by NineInchNachos on 9/7/2011 @ 2:47pm
dave is right, lets do some research

"It is also quite certain that traffic impacts in the area need evaluation. If, as the developers say, this is a jobs project, then we might expect traffic in the area to double. Even if the traffic does not double, the impact of a 150,000-square-foot retail center on traffic needs to be evaluated, since it would appear that different and probably disruptive patterns would be created."

Read more:

by JesseHillFan on 9/8/2011 @ 12:02am
Love the twisted evil Walmart smiley RR.Quite sinister,yet hilareous and I totally agree with Thorax O'Tool too.
Sorry I couldn't respond earlier as I was busy.
Yeah I don't agree with increased traffic there either.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/8/2011 @ 12:16am
Am I the only one who cares about the potential consequences for K-Mart located at 6th & Orchard?...It shouldn't be that just the thought of building a Central Tacoma Walmart store stirs such sentiment

My apologies go out today to all of my fellow North End Tacoma cohorts who, like me, witnessed the groundbreaking and rise of the 6th Avenue K-Mart. Please forgive me for provoking you in your formative years when you wore cheaply made polyester sweaters and high-water corduroy trousers. Looking back, it now seems so senseless to have made such sharp-tongued remarks like "K-Mart Kid!" and "Blue Light Special on aisle 0!." For what it's worth, I no longer look down on others and say, "I used to dress like that; then I got a job."

Well one thing for sure: If a Walmart is built at S. 23rd and Union Avenue, then all the people who shop at K-Mart will finally have someone that they can look down on.

by JesseHillFan on 9/8/2011 @ 12:27am
I bought a couple of Timex-Sinclair microcomputers from that KMart.Both a TS1000 and a TS-2068 although I had some very early microcomputers from the decade before in the early to mid 1970's

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 8:05am
the film Rainman inspired young eco-terrorists in my hometown of Juneau Alaska. A "K-Mart Sucks" was spray painted on the K-mart coming soon construction site sign. We were a one fred meyer town at that period.

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 8:43am
If the WalMart opens up on Union some people will be forced into giving up their entitlement lifestyle and working a part time job. Oh the humanity. Is there no justice in this world?

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 8:45am
race to the bottom!

by The Jinxmedic on 9/8/2011 @ 8:54am
In the race to the bottom, the one-eyed man is king, or something.

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 9:08am
Race to the bottom.

You mean the WalMart employees are people who gave up great jobs so that they could reduce their standard of living and work for less?

by cisserosmiley on 9/8/2011 @ 9:26am
@mofo...maybe walmart would put their store in at the kmart plaza, we don't need kmart anymore, there is all that parking, and sonic and walmart go together like nascar and beer. WALMART at 6th n Orchard!!! race to 6th ave???

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 10:01am
giving up the 'entitlements' you mean working a job you also qualify for foodstamps with?

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 10:07am
meanwhile: UTOPIA!

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 10:43am
giving up the 'entitlements' you mean working a job you also qualify for foodstamps with?

No. There are income requirements for food stamp eligibility. For example, single people who NET as little as $903 per month don't qualify. So many of the WalMart employees won't qualify. The same requirements apply to other people working low wage jobs around town, even the ones who belong to unions or work jobs with great benefits.

People who don't want low wage jobs have an option! They can study hard in school, get training in college or trade school for a great career and get busy. Sorry I'm all out of pity for people who jacked around in school and now complain that George Bush and his rich friends have denied them a middle class lifestyle. Give us a break.

by Anders on 9/8/2011 @ 10:52am
For every job opening, there is an average of 6 job applicants - education or not, the jobs just aren't there. Furthermore, the vast majority of poor Americans -do- work... usually multiple jobs, at that. They just don't make enough to make ends meet. Real wages have been stagnant or declined for most Americans since the 1970's, while income inequality and the concentration of ownership has skyrocketed since then. So no, the problem isn't laziness. It's an economy that's rigged against anyone who isn't part of that elite 1%.

I'm sorry fredo, but I'm not going to be a Tea Party councilmember. If that's what you're after, write in Carl Alexander's name when you get your ballot.

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 11:21am
look at this lazy slacker complaining about entitlements

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 11:29am
Anders you complain in one posting about a business that wants to provide several hundred jobs for the people of Tacoma. Then in a later posting you complain that the "jobs just aren't there."

Is this the sort of incoherent voice that's missing on our city council?

Also, you complain about the elite 1%. I notice you went straight from college to become some kind of director of some law firm or something. How did that happen? Seems like you've got yours so now it's time to crap on other people's opportunities.

by cisserosmiley on 9/8/2011 @ 11:38am
I often wonder how advocates for fair labor practices such as lobbyists for the labor council, union leaders, and members of the trial attorneys association make so much income without being called out by laborers?

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 11:51am
The Tacomic welcomes discussion. You guys are awesome. Proceed !

by KevinFreitas on 9/8/2011 @ 2:03pm
Easy @fredo. If you want everyone to feel welcome to participate here please refrain from slinging those kinds of personal insults.

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 2:08pm
Council efforts to block WalMart are really an assault on poor people.

This business would provide lots of entry level jobs for some people who have just about lost all hope. It would provide low priced products for people who can't afford to shop at the high priced union staffed shops around town. It's going to be located in the center of town right on bus routes in accordance with the growth management act. It's easy for people to get to who don't have cars. It willl provide construction jobs and give a boost to sagging tax revenue at city hall. This tax revenue is used for all kinds of city grants to benefit poor people like afterschool and summer programs which have recently been curtailed. Perhaps there will be enough money to re-open MLK Library!

Why do Tacoma's poor have to suffer because some privileged city hall types, who enjoy unequal pay and concentrated power, enjoy taking campaign money from the unions? Council isn't doing the poor any favors...this is simply a payback to the local unions for election support.

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 2:12pm
how do you square that in your mind with all the council support/pumping for the non union IGA downtown?

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 2:13pm
Sorry, I called Anders statements incoherent. I'll let the readers study his statements and arrive at another conclusion if they are able to do so.

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 2:16pm
by NineInchNachos
on 9/8/2011 @ 2:12pm how do you square that in your mind with all the council support/pumping for the non union IGA downtown?

I don't think the IGA is there to serve poor people. And for the record, I don't remember seeing any of the council members down there for the grand opening.

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 2:19pm
awe Kevin, Anders is a Public Figure.. he can take the boiler-plate TNT commenter critizizim!

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 2:28pm
Comrade Fredo, we walked in a picket line together during the great winter of digital billboards and i'm picking up what you're saying about the IGA clientele. However you're wrong about the council folks... they were all at the ribbon cutting months and months ago.

by KevinFreitas on 9/8/2011 @ 2:34pm
Haha, very true @RR re: public figure pummeling. Still, just want to make sure everyone feels welcome here. Politicians have feelings too! ;)

by Anders on 9/8/2011 @ 2:37pm
@fredo, Anyone who has ever had to live off minimum wage employment knows that that's not enough to make ends meet. That's why people in those situations often work 60+ work weeks at multiple jobs just to pay their monthly expenses, let alone their debts. Barely enough time for family, recreation or improving your condition; barely enough money to cover an emergency when it comes up; practically no ability to save up a surplus. If that kind of living hell is your idea of opportunity, then count me out.

I'm pro union because working people deserve to have a choice to improve their own living conditions. To me, a job is a job. I think a janitor should have the same right to live without fear of foreclosure or medical bankruptcy as a hedge fund manager. Since average people lack the financial clout of a millionaire, working together is the only chance we have to get a better deal. That's why unions will always be necessary.

Every major advance in the American workplace - from the weekend, to the prohibition of child labor, to paid benefits, to the minimum wage, etc. - was advocated for by organized workers. And violently opposed by corporate robber barons, just like today.

If you think that vulnerable people should just accept their poverty like obedient serfs while the average CEO makes more in one day than the average worker makes in one year, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

by Anders on 9/8/2011 @ 2:38pm
And believe me Kevin, I feel more than welcome at your site! You do a much better job keeping things civil and informative than some other blogs do. Thanks for the great conversation, everyone.

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 2:54pm
"Anyone who has ever had to live off minimum wage employment knows that that's not enough to make ends meet." Anders

Sounds like you are more concerned with people who have minimum wage jobs than you are with people who are unemployed. What would you say to an unemployed Tacoman who wanted a chance to work at Wal Mart or some other low wage job? Would you advise him or her just to wait for a few more years or decades until a family wage job was offered? I don't see how you can serve on the city council and yet be so cavalier about the plight of the unemployed. Unemployed people are your future constituents too, Anders!

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 2:58pm
Anders was No. 1 in the primary election. I think the people have spoken with their vote.

by Anders on 9/8/2011 @ 3:04pm
Tell that to all the small business owners and their employees who lose their jobs when a WalMart invades their town. This is for your own good, folks!

Seriously though, poverty-wage jobs aren't a solution to unemployment. The reason we have an economic downturn is because of a lack of demand. When working people are more prosperous, they have more disposable income. That means there's more demand for other services, which means businesses have more of a need to hire people.

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 3:09pm
Lincoln Hardware

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 3:11pm
Anders was impressive in the primary to be sure. But come election time he is going to need to get a lot of Atkinsons and Alexander's votes. He already blew off the people who liked Alexander so really he needs to do very well with Atkinsons share.

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 3:15pm
Are you kidding? Anders LOVES street car loops! He's in like Flynn

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 3:17pm
Anders, what did you think of Rise of the planet of the apes? Sucks right? Boom, Atkinson voters.

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 3:19pm
Furthermore... most of the sitting/past council people are endorsing the old biddy! That's like a giant flashing ELECT ANDERS IBSEN digital billboard right there!

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 3:20pm
"Seriously though, poverty-wage jobs aren't a solution to unemployment" Anders

Seriously Anders, when are you going to tell the voters how you are going to get all these high wage jobs into Tacoma? Apparently the jobs that we are getting aren't good enough for you. Please tell us specifically what YOU are going to do.

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 3:28pm

by fredo on 9/8/2011 @ 3:31pm
"Easy @fredo. If you want everyone to feel welcome to participate here please refrain from slinging those kinds of personal insults". Kevin

"Furthermore... most of the sitting/past council people are endorsing the old biddy (Karen Smitherman)" Nachos

Wouldn't "old biddy" be considered a personal insult of one of the FeedTacoma members?

by The Jinxmedic on 9/8/2011 @ 3:41pm
I'm definitely down with the space elevator idea. The only truly cost effective ground-to-orbit transport system, Heinlein would most certainly approve. (Those cables, on the other hand....)

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 3:57pm
Space Elevator Built with OBAMA BUCKS! carbon nanotube cables made from carbon pulled from the atmosphere and pooped out by microbes. Need carbon nanotube pooping microbes? NO PROBLEM! I can rush deliver a bottle of my famous DR. RICHARD PURGEWELL'S NANOTUBE ELIXOR for only 19.95 (no refunds).

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 4:03pm
@fredo @kevin

um... look I just have to.. gotta go!

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 8:47pm

I think Ryan Mello reads your comments

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 8:48pm
also for posterity Tacoma Weekly's walmart coverage:

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/8/2011 @ 10:26pm
If the Elks want to sell their private property then let them.

If private investors want to build a department store on their private property then let them.

Who is this Ryan Mello unelected councilman who wants to restrict the rights of private citizens?

Who is this Ryan Mello unelected councilman who wants to restrict the rights of private contractors to bid on public projects?

Welcome to the Godless Rainbow Pipe Dream called Tacoma...


by tacoma1 on 9/9/2011 @ 7:10am
the CNC has come out strongly against wallmart also. Since the CNC represents the very Tacoma residents that have the most to lose if ths project goes in, their opinion has to be considered here. Councilman Mello is not the only one voicing his objection to more big box blight and traffic congestion in our city.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/9/2011 @ 7:27am
I'm not primarily considering particular or general virtues.
(Anyone interested in that may read the ancient Greek philosopher Plato who does consider education and moral teaching and its relationship to a particular regime.)

I am considering particular and general values: How money is spent.

by fredo on 9/9/2011 @ 7:53am
"Since the CNC represents the very Tacoma residents that have the most to lose if ths project goes in, their opinion has to be considered here." tacoma1

Neither the CNC members nor Ryan Mello were elected. They are nominally representational, that's all.

by NineInchNachos on 9/9/2011 @ 8:04am
"I am considering particular and general values: How money is spent."

today I woke up to a radio alarm clock NPR story about the final weeks of the 9/11 hijackers (and g-men tracking their movements)... Did you know that 9/11 hijackers were extremely cheap and thus regularly shopped at WALMART? ALL 9/11 HIJACKERS SHOP AT WALMART!

by fredo on 9/9/2011 @ 8:17am
I heard one of the hijackers was quoting from RR's Tacomic book as the plane went down.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/9/2011 @ 8:30am
Linking free enterprise to disaster is exactly what the CNC and Ryan Mello is doing.

by NineInchNachos on 9/9/2011 @ 8:53am
the terrorists were hell bent on destroying america... to them their best value was shopping at Walmart.

@fredo. RE: "I heard one of the hijackers was quoting from RR's Tacomic book as the plane went down." - I did not hear that on NPR.

by The Jinxmedic on 9/9/2011 @ 9:05am
Time traveller terrorists, at that.

by NineInchNachos on 9/9/2011 @ 9:12am
Anachronism... Continuity Error !

by Rick Jones on 9/9/2011 @ 10:06am
There is a lot to agree and disagree with here. But overall I'm in the fredo/mofo camp.

Anders is correct - unions accomplished a lot for workers in the U.S. (and internationally). I was raised by a single mom who worked for the Teamsters which allowed me to get a Teamster job to pay my way through college. So I am and direct beneficiary of the unions. But in my view they now seem more interested in protecting their members these days than becoming progressive entities moving our community forward. The pendulum has swung the other way:

Teachers as well. Shielded by their union from possible improvement they resist almost any change that would couple them with the private sector.

Nachos - the Old Bitty you referred to has the endorsement of one of your (and my) Urban Heroes: David Boe.

People deserve a WalMart. I want Tacoma to be a diverse city, not Gig Harbor. The competition between WM and Target is a good thing. I haven't done much research on this but I believe our Target is non-union and there are several examples of the union being voted down in other Target stores.

This might be a good illustration: About a year ago the Theater District Association had a 'Town Hall Meeting' on affordable housing in the downtown area. We had a panel consisting of Micheal Mirra (THA director) Marilyn Strickland, Baline Johnson, Benjii Bittle, etc. The main topic ended up being the Winthrop. In a room filled with about 80 people I commented that, while it seemed there was no desire to move the Winthrop from a Section 8 housing facility to something more economically productive, we didn't seem to have any representatives of Winthrop residents in the room. Two men then identified themselves as residents and spoke fervantly about how horrible it was to live there. They would anywhere if they had the chance. The powers that be seemed to be more hooked to their own agenda rather than following the desires of those truly affected.

I think we are running into the same dynamic with regard to WM. The less fortunate among us are being ignored and we are pushing our "tony" respectibilities. Excepting we don't like WM, there is no reason to deny WM. I'm not a fan but I think it would be a benefit for the community WM wishes to serve.

by The Jinxmedic on 9/9/2011 @ 10:13am
WM would serve better by bringing life to the downtown dead zone. Have an urban Wal*Mart on Pacific Avenue between 13th and 15th streets, and watch people come downtown again.

by NineInchNachos on 9/9/2011 @ 10:21am
to clarify Mr. Jones that would be the fredo/mofo/Mohamed Atta camp

Jinx is right, send that crap downtown and let the winthrop folks roll around in it. I don't want a walmart down the street from my ding-dang house. It is just not going to happen.

David Boe is a free spirit and just trying to not be rude.

by Rick Jones on 9/9/2011 @ 10:30am
Ouch! Mohamend Atta?!

A "free spirit" is never concerned about being rude. They just are (look in the mirror :).

I don't disagree w/ Jinx but I'm sure WM has done its research and figured the current location b est suits its needs, i.e., ingress, egress, close to the freeway, and nearby consumers.

by fredo on 9/9/2011 @ 10:47am
I could go either way on the Wal Mart store.

I could continue posting in support or I could begin to oppose it. A leading candidate for city council has suggested that Wal Mart would be inconsistant with the city goals and that it would be better for unemployed people to engage in Tacoma's "shared opportunities." Once I get some more information on what this means and details on his plan to bring lots of new family wage jobs to Tacoma, I'll reconsider my position on the matter. Until then I would like to remind readers that a "bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush."

by NineInchNachos on 9/9/2011 @ 10:58am
listen to the crows.

by The Jinxmedic on 9/9/2011 @ 11:03am
There's a 705 off-ramp that dumps cars right into that part of Pacific avenue... ...with a Wal*Mart located there, those cars would have somewhere to go.

(And there's a bLINK stop on the Commerce side of the block, in the event that people would rather park at Freighthouse Square...)

Principal target market- po' people in downtown tenements (Winthrop et all), immediate surounding po' neighborhoods (Hilltop, McKinley Hill, etc.), and downtown condo dwellers that "just need this, that, or the other thing". Auxiliary target market- people in the general Tacomaplex who want to go to a Wal*Mart, but hate dealing with Lakewood and Federal Way.

Added benefits- people in downtown! WM here would actually end up supporting boutique businesses in the downtown area, namely by increasing the concentration of potential shoppers. It's kind of a no-brainer, which is exactly why it will never happen.

by Rick Jones on 9/9/2011 @ 11:09am
True Jinx. But it's just a little easier to get to the Union exit. Plus I think WM thinks there is a considerablly larger population up on the hill than downtown.

by fredo on 9/9/2011 @ 11:14am
WalMart DT is an interesting idea. But I'm afraid it's inconsistant with the development of DT into an International Financial Services District. The entire world is beholding the District and it probably wouldn't be good to tarnish it with an everyday Department Store for poor people. It's a novel idea but with the expected wave of family wage jobs coming to our area it might put some people off.

by The Jinxmedic on 9/9/2011 @ 11:37am
You could call a downtown WM the "China Free Market World Trade and Reinvestment Center", then you put it in the Russell building and pretend there was still a Financial Services District in town...

..think of all the jobs CREATED or SAVED!

by fredo on 9/9/2011 @ 12:44pm
That would create real synergy. Especially if you could couple it with DTs other major new business:

China Free Market World Trade and Reinvestment and International While-U-Wait Dialysis Services Center.

by NineInchNachos on 9/9/2011 @ 1:07pm
I would get behind a WM in Russel building. I would like to also Nominate the Jinxmedic for City Manager

by The Jinxmedic on 9/9/2011 @ 1:40pm
If appointed City Manager, I vow to return half of my $235,000 (!) annual salary back to the city- where it shall be used to immediately re-open the Swan Creek and Hilltop branch libraries.

by fredo on 9/9/2011 @ 2:04pm
the Jinxmedic for city manager. Hip Hip Hooray!

by low bar on 9/10/2011 @ 7:37pm
No idea where you get the energy from RR, but I like it.

by fredo on 9/11/2011 @ 7:56am
I just watched the video WalMart: The High Price Of Low Cost

That video points out a lot of the problems that WalMart is associated with, both real and percieved. The most notable real problems I learned about were:

1. Management making workers work off the clock, or making them work overtime and then altering the records to make it look like the extra hours were in a different pay period, or simply deleting the extra hours.

2. Local communities have frequently picked up the tab for supplying road/sewer modifications even when they had refused to make similar modifications for other businesses.

3. Promises were sometimes made to communities that were never actually fulfilled.

Most of the other problems mentioned in the video were problems that apply across the board to all low wage low benefit jobs. They aren't great careers, but probably not much worse than a career at KMart or the dollar store. Are the workers at Ezells and Sonic on great career paths?

Since a lot of people seem to want to support businesses that feature highly paid jobs, then why isn't the marketplace supplying department/variety stores with highly paid staff?

by NineInchNachos on 9/12/2011 @ 7:23pm
Son of a bitch!

Tacoma: Council's moratorium on big box stores may not affect Walmart

Read more:

by tacoma1 on 9/12/2011 @ 7:36pm
The city still doesn't have to agree to the traffic modifications that Wally wants. That alone might be enough to scare 'em off.

by NorthEndDinerDude! on 9/12/2011 @ 8:41pm
What's up with the pic??? That is agist!

by NineInchNachos on 9/12/2011 @ 8:49pm
agreed! why aren't young people included in elks rank and file? Those senile old farts are non compos mentis... going to cause an existential threat in central Tacoma!

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/12/2011 @ 9:50pm
An uncle of mine said he would sponsor me to join the Elks when I was 21 years old, but I declined. I couldn't get past the "Flintstones" Water Buffalo Lodge image thing etched in my mind.

Some years before that the Tacoma lodge had already achieved the highest enrollment in the nation.

by NineInchNachos on 9/12/2011 @ 9:59pm
biggest lodge in Elkdom. Glorious mid 1960's architecture. Like a real-life example of Johnny Quest or Venture Brothers Compound. Giving it all up for a lame-o Walmart. Sick I tell you! There is a pestilence upon the land.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/12/2011 @ 11:55pm
The Tacoma Elks Lodge website has a color drawing of the new lodge which will be built at Allenmore Golf Course, across the street from the current lodge.

The current lodge replaced by a department store is hardly an inspiring story, but consider the less inspiring history of the abandoned Elks Lodge downtown.

Not necessarily strange in the business world, but true, the Walmart story also includes financial and strategic planning that involves abandoning buildings.

It's not to early to speculate what type of entity will succeed the yet-to-be built Walmart Super Store.

by NineInchNachos on 9/13/2011 @ 11:37am
don't show this to the Walmart replicants!

by Nick on 9/13/2011 @ 12:39pm
So I was thinking... instead of fighting this WalMart thing so much, would our energy be better spent finding a way to help the Elks find a better buyer/use for the property? I mean, if it actually worked out I'd think the choice of walmart versus something better would be an easier persuasion than walmart versus nothing. Eh?

I mean, if we can have a walmart wanting to build in our town without really trying, I wonder what we could get with some actual effort?

by NineInchNachos on 9/13/2011 @ 1:41pm
Nice utopian thinking sir. However Both Elks and Walmart are now contractually locked in a death dance. All hope rests on the City Council... Who will blink first?

In the meantime...

Mark Blyth (5): Sovereigns, Citizens and Suckers

by Nick on 9/13/2011 @ 2:25pm
Bah, contracts do nothing but increase the cost of breaking an agreement. Make it a worthwhile alternative, let the gains be larger than the legal costs of breaking a contract and there you have it.

by troysworktable on 9/14/2011 @ 8:53am
"Is Walmart A Magnet For American Mayhem?"

by NineInchNachos on 9/14/2011 @ 9:14am

by Nick on 9/14/2011 @ 4:38pm
Is that a new batch of tumbleweeds in downtown I smell? That last batch the mall brought in the 60s (?) do seem to be a bit sparse these days...

by JackLord42 on 9/15/2011 @ 4:26pm
WAL-MART: It's OK to say no to mega-store

Read more:

by low bar on 9/16/2011 @ 9:01pm
There are too many issues to focus on which means none will get fixed. Pick one fucking issue please, and everyone get fucking focused on it till it's fixed. Tacoma's whole fucking problem is the PORT. Close the port down. Or at least the pulp mill and refineries. Close that shit. SEATAC Airport. Thats what people with money see when they de-board the plane. But they NEVER COME TO THE FUCKING TAC PART. Why? Freakonmics. 

by The Jinxmedic on 9/19/2011 @ 11:33am
Close the Port? Great idea. Let's burn down what's left of the city as long as we're destroying the only part of the local economy that actually functions.

by Mofo from the Hood on 9/19/2011 @ 12:23pm
Let's look at the logic of the facts. The economic facts. Here we are at a point in history when two amazing social transformations are shaping Tacoma. First, the way household consumers may shop---A Walmart Super Store may soon grace Central Tacoma once the fake moratorium passes. Secondly, the fake moratorium is nothing but a distraction from a radical city council that openly seeks to develop a variant market sector. That variant market sector, aka lgbt et al, which is a product of sophisticated propaganda (plenty of literature to substantiate that claim), is the pliant foundation upon which government officials attempt to build mechanisms to transfer wealth from the private sector to special interest parties by force of law. In other words, the City Council needs Walmart's tax revenue to help fund its plans to develop new governmental departments to manage the chaos it is creating.

by NineInchNachos on 9/19/2011 @ 12:25pm
burning down what is left of the city would only accelerate our green house gas problem. 

by The Jinxmedic on 9/19/2011 @ 12:38pm
Green house gas burns jest fine in my Escalade.

by low bar on 9/19/2011 @ 12:40pm
Well I mean close down the refineries and pulp mill. And open up an Alaskan cruise liner hotel and pier IN THE PORT so that when tourists fly in they can hop on board in the TAC part which then doesn't stink anymore, cruise up to VC and then Alaska. Fuck refineries and fuck pulp mills. US Mail is shutting down. We don't need all the paper. The car museum going up looks great, just have to nix the cars. The more futuristic the TAC skyline gets at this point the better. Thats what I call future proofing. It looks interesting. And interesting sells. I'd want the place to look like the new kohler future toilet, just not smell like one. 24k gold. Thanks:)

by NineInchNachos on 9/19/2011 @ 12:43pm
good point.  Hey News Tribune!  Stop sending me those 'value pack' junk mail cupons!!!  

by NineInchNachos on 9/19/2011 @ 8:13pm

by NineInchNachos on 9/19/2011 @ 8:20pm
say it ain't so BCRA design!  you sick bastards! 

by tacoma1 on 9/19/2011 @ 8:39pm
I was just reading the TNT article myself.  It's funny, seems that the design that was submitted wasn't even for this lot.  It was just a stock Walmart design and doesn'teven fit the lot.  WTF is up with that?  My guess is that Walmart is just testing the T-Town waters so to speak.

by NineInchNachos on 9/19/2011 @ 8:47pm
like an apathy detector? Nice work City Council! 

by NineInchNachos on 10/6/2011 @ 4:04pm
Where do you shop when your every move is optimized to destroy America?

by The Jinxmedic on 10/7/2011 @ 8:47am
There are some great "troofer" comments in that link. Crazy people that vote!  I especially enjoy the bits about the "nano-thermite". Just wow.

by NineInchNachos on 10/7/2011 @ 8:53am
nano-termite counteracts the carbonite sickness for fast actin' relief

by NineInchNachos on 10/11/2011 @ 10:23am
Tacoma Chamber of Commerce loves WALMART, CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR.

your membership dues at work! 

by NineInchNachos on 10/26/2011 @ 2:14pm

by tacoma1 on 10/26/2011 @ 5:07pm
I'm thinking that Lonnergan may want to work for Wally as soon as he gets voted out of office. Maybe Wally will let him be an asst mgr with a name tag and everything.

by fredo on 10/26/2011 @ 5:32pm
Good thing at least one councilman can see the advantage to allowing commerce to take place in the city.

by fredo on 10/26/2011 @ 5:32pm
Good thing at least one councilman can see the advantage to allowing commerce to take place in the city.

by tacoma1 on 10/26/2011 @ 7:37pm
It was established early on in the discussion that Wally World doesn't actually supply net new jobs for the local economy. And since the shoppers will invariably be from Pierce County, and likely primarily Tacoma, there wont be any new taxes either.

by fredo on 10/26/2011 @ 7:47pm
"It was established early on in the discussion that Wally World doesn't actually supply net new jobs for the local economy".
Unfortunately tacoma1 that was just a claim, not an established fact. That study looked at other cities, at other times, and was never able to establish a cause and effect. Furthermore the study only looked at WalMart, they didn't look at the effect that Target Stores, Fred Meyers, or K Marts had on local job creation.
Regarding the taxes generated for Tacoma, even you will admit that Tacomans are leaving the city limits and shopping at other WalMarts in the area. That's tax money that could be spent in Tacoma. There's no denying this. 

by fredo on 10/26/2011 @ 7:47pm
"It was established early on in the discussion that Wally World doesn't actually supply net new jobs for the local economy".
Unfortunately tacoma1 that was just a claim, not an established fact. That study looked at other cities, at other times, and was never able to establish a cause and effect. Furthermore the study only looked at WalMart, they didn't look at the effect that Target Stores, Fred Meyers, or K Marts had on local job creation.
Regarding the taxes generated for Tacoma, even you will admit that Tacomans are leaving the city limits and shopping at other WalMarts in the area. That's tax money that could be spent in Tacoma. There's no denying this. 

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 8:29am

The following in from the Tacoma Daily IndexDateline: October 31, 2011Tacoma Public Works plans Union Avenue street repairsThe City of Tacoma's Public Works Department reports that Streets and Grounds crews will begin street repairs to Union Avenue from Center to South 19th Streets, weather permitting, beginning Sat., Nov. 5. Due to the existing condition of the street surface and the forecasted wet winter, temporary repairs will need to be performed in the interest of public safety and to alleviate the continual pothole maintenance that will be required to keep Union Avenue serviceable throughout the winter and spring months. Reconstruction work originally scheduled for 2011 was not performed because the Washington State Department of Transportation was using Union Avenue as a detour route for road construction taking place on Highway 16. Union Avenue from Center Street to South 19th Street is scheduled for reconstruction in the spring/summer months of 2012. Repairs will cost about $25,000 and be temporary in nature as all new asphalt will be removed during the reconstruction project slated for 2012. In addition, signage providing information regarding the project will be placed in and around the area to notify homeowners and businesses of the pending work.

This in from Jobs for Justice.No Wal-Mart LoopholesTuesday, November 1, 4:30pm747 Market St, Tacoma City Council ChambersTacoma Council members Lonergan and Manthou and Mayor Strickland are trying to get a new special loophole for Wal-Mart to put a Supercenter at 23rd and Union.  There is no community-based outcry to explain why these 3 lawmakers have formed a pro-Wal-Mart and pro-Big Box block on the Council. This pro-Wal-Mart block has also indicated they will advocate for additional loopholes to allow Wal-Mart into other areas of the city and swap Big Box shells with other companies.The richest corporation in the world should not get special treatment so it can extract our local community wealth.  Studies show that Big Box chains extract 80% of every dollar spent while local retail retains and recycles 70% of every dollar spent. We can begin to stop our local versions of the bailout sold out economy right here.We'll do a briefing before the Council meeting and then pack the room to say that the 99% wants an end to corporate handouts and worker sell outs, protect Middle Class jobs, extend Tacoma's Big Box ban.BackgroundNew Proposed Wal-Mart LoopholeThe Lonergan-Strickland-Manthou loophole will give special treatment in favor of Wal-Mart to change boundary lines to expand the project footprint that accommodates a 35 foot high retaining wall along Cedar, avoid the City's current Big Box ban, and bypass the established permit process by deeming minor this major change to the project application.Debate Over Our Diverse VoicesA majority of the Council last week postponed deciding on Lonergan-Strickland-Manthou's pro-Wal-Mart loophole. Mayor Stickland accused the Big Box ban advocates of not being diverse.  The Mayor must be unaware the many different forums where retirees, small business members, workers, community and religious and labor organizations, and residents of all backgrounds have expressed support for the Big Box ban without loopholes. Testimony ran in favor of the ban without loopholes about 40-0 at the Planning Commission hearing and about 35-2 at the Council. The Mayor seems to be saying not enough people are showing up at City Council meetings to balance out the pressure from Wal-Mart and Chamber of Commerce. A Council majority so far doesn't see it that way and we need to support them on November 1.Loophole Advocacy Exposes City to Wal-Mart LawsuitThe current Big Box ban and the Council's on record debate prior to enacting the ban respected the rule of law-making not to discriminate for or against a specific company. This rule does not apply to our free speech as we are not lawmakers. Mayor Strickland reminded all participants of this rule at the start of the last Council meeting. When Councilmembers Lonergan and Manthou began advocating on record for loopholes to appease Wal-Mart specifically, taxpayers and the City were exposed to serious liability. We must request the Mayor to hold Councilmembers accountable even if the three are in a pro-Wal-Mart block together and desire to bait or use a Wal-Mart lawsuit to attack the Big Box ban. Jobs with Justice has a long history of holding Wal-Mart accountable in the South Sound and haswon and defended significant Big Box bans in other Washington communities. Washington State Jobs with Justice3049 S. 36 St, #201;  Tacoma, WA  98409-5801or PO Box 9662; Seattle, WA  98109(253) 459-5107;  website:

by The Jinxmedic on 11/1/2011 @ 8:33am
Hard to read with all those coding bugs in the text...

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 8:34am
argh!!!  mother trucker!

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 8:35am
try this...

by fredo on 11/1/2011 @ 8:48am

99% of the people in Tacoma do not favor a ban on Wal Mart. That would be characterized as a lie.33% of the council (and 43% of the elected council members) approve of the Wal Mart.

by jenyum on 11/1/2011 @ 8:50am
No idea how the New Takhoman thinks voting out Mello and Walker and putting in Agents of Kaos will help with the big box issue.  I don't think there's a bigger supporter of the big box moratorium than Ryan Mello.

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 8:53am
agreed.  I see it as more of a revenge thing?  It's unsettling. 

by fredo on 11/1/2011 @ 10:13am

Some people on the council might prefer to see a bathhouse built on the WalMart site.

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 10:52am
Strickland, Woodards, Manthou, Lonergan  remember those names Central Tacoma, they're going to sell you out. 

by low bar on 11/1/2011 @ 11:11am
the length of this thread is like about to reach walmart proportions. btw, don't bother having a good product idea to sell to won't be able to manufacture it. at least not in this country. wonder if walmart is just waiting for the right moment to begin using a made in america marketing campaign for their products on the notion that that shit is going to fly right off the shelves much like local organic products that are currently trending. how to save an american mortgage...get the fucking manufacturing jobs back. this isn't fucking rocket science.

npr: not psychotic republicans

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 11:17am
tonight - 5pm big Walmart decision at City Council meeting. come support the moratorium WITHOUT bloody loopholes

by fredo on 11/1/2011 @ 11:18am

I think we should all start shopping at the variety and department stores that sell 100% American made goods.  Please list the stores so we will be able to identify them.  

by fredo on 11/1/2011 @ 8:23pm
"And, for the record, I've made at least 3 public Facebook posts about the Walmart, and I belong to all the anti-Walmart Facebook groups." Anders
Apparently the retailer specific legislation of the type Anders posts about on facebook is illegal.
 I tried to tell people that "hating" wasn't a good way to solve problems.

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 8:26pm
all for nothing friends.  Walmart Loophole is a GO.  Walmart can begin construction whenever she wants now. 


by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 8:28pm

by fredo on 11/1/2011 @ 8:32pm
This certainly signals the end of the world as we've come to know it. As soon as Wal Mart opens up it's panty hose department all the mom-and-pop panty hose retailers in town are going to close down and lay off all their family wage employees. Oh, the huge manatee.

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 8:39pm
no it signals, if you are a big business and you wanna get your way all you need to do is threaten to sue and Liz Pauli will advise the council to play opossum till the lawsuit goes away.  

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 8:58pm
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

by low bar on 11/1/2011 @ 9:53pm
i always knew you'd be the type to save latin, RR

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 10:21pm

by NineInchNachos on 11/1/2011 @ 10:51pm

by NineInchNachos on 11/2/2011 @ 2:14pm
things you can do... #occupyelkslodge

by NineInchNachos on 11/7/2011 @ 9:59am

Wednesday, Nov 9th 
6:30pm Ė 7:00pm
Bring your own sign or pick one up!

by fredo on 11/7/2011 @ 10:28am
RR, you can print up some signs using the basic format of the long forgotten Chinese Expulsion Signs: 


Walmart Must Go!

Liberal Activists

Have called a Mass Meeting

for this (Wednesday) evening at

6:30 o'clock

at the Elk's Club House

to consider the Walmart question


afterall, bigotry and hate have no expiration date 

by jenyum on 11/7/2011 @ 10:33am
We really need to hook you up with some kind of aversion therapy, for every time you engage in false equivalency.  

by troysworktable on 11/7/2011 @ 10:38am
Corporations aren't people.

by fredo on 11/7/2011 @ 10:43am

Council has already decided WM can go in.Walmart caters to poor people.People who continue to rally against WM are just fanning the fires of class warfare.It's not nice to hate poor people.

by tacoma1 on 11/7/2011 @ 11:01am

Your empathy for the downtrodden is remarkable in it's insincerety.

by NineInchNachos on 11/7/2011 @ 11:02am

go go gadget CLASS WAR!

in the words of fugitive-from-the-law President Bush: "Bring it on"

by fredo on 11/7/2011 @ 11:09am
"Tacoma United Against WalMart"

of course, Tacoma is not "united" against Walmart. It looks like about dozen people in your picture. All trying to engage the public in their message of hate I'm not buying it 

Want to start a company to compete with Walmart on your own terms? 

Have an attorney draw up a corporation for you. This costs about $1000 but if you don't use an attorney, you can probably do it cheaper. Attract a venture capitalist who believes in your plan or stage an IPO to generate your capital. Open your store across the street from Walmart and let the shoppers know about the important difference between your company and the Walmart. Don't keep spewing hate.

by NineInchNachos on 11/7/2011 @ 11:44am
Die walmart.. Die die! 

by NineInchNachos on 11/9/2011 @ 9:32am
the beast is dead

by The Jinxmedic on 11/9/2011 @ 2:03pm
A local fraternal group that is NOT selling out:  The Pythians.

by NineInchNachos on 11/11/2011 @ 8:31am
this is great stuff.

sneaky bastards. 

by fredo on 11/11/2011 @ 8:47am

Why do you keep linking that "interview" in your comments. I read the interview. Nothing is said in the interview that hasn't been said by some utopian here at feedtacoma during the last 4 months. 

by NineInchNachos on 11/11/2011 @ 8:53am
VOL. 002 posterity 

by NineInchNachos on 11/14/2011 @ 1:05pm
"Word on the street is the national Elks are involved in this sale. Please contact them too - we contacted the Grand Exalted Ruler. The contract was just extended until January...hopefully it can be called off still."

email them a link to this tacomic! 

by NineInchNachos on 11/14/2011 @ 9:20pm
meanwhile stinky port of tacoma update

by NineInchNachos on 11/15/2011 @ 7:14pm

The following is an update on the development of Elks Property at 23rd and South Union Street and what you can do to help stop the Walmart development

1. The Elks have chosen to extend the purchase and sale agreement with the developer until January instead of canceling it when JLO Development defaulted on the November 1 deadline. We are very disappointed with the Elks. Please considerer contacting the Elks and let them know that you do not want them to continue with the sale to JLO Development/Walmart ''; ''

2. There is a rumor that the national Elks is getting involved in the sale and pushing it forward. Please contact the National Elks and let them know that selling the property means a Walmart in our community that is not wanted by the neighborhood due to traffic, design and standard of living issues. Lodge 174

3. Join us every Wednesday from 630 to 730 at the entrance to the Elks on South 23rd Street. The protest is before their weekly meeting. We will also have street signs.

4. Like "No Walmart in Tacoma" on Facebook or go to to get updates on how to get involved.

Thank you
Tricia DeOme
Central Neighborhood Council

by NineInchNachos on 11/16/2011 @ 8:45am
low bar  is right you guys.  
we did it better and for cheaper (for the consumer)  what went wrong?

(thanks dave L for the link) 
What the HELL is wrong with the elks? 

by NineInchNachos on 11/16/2011 @ 8:51am
Protest November 16 from 6:30 to 7:30 at the Elks entrance (on South 23rd Street). The protest will start before their weekly meeting. Let's let the Elks know it is not too late to sell their property.
Also you get to pick up a yard sign!!

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 9:16am

Then at 7:30 we're going to march on over to the Tacoma Food Co-op and continue the demonstration there. That place needs to learn that you can't hire people in Tacoma to work low wage/no benefit cashiering jobs. And a big thankyou to RR and the rest of the Walmart opposition for pointing out the problems of letting organizations bring jobs to Tacoma that don't have family wages and have no benefits. These places like Tacoma Food Co-op apparently don't have a problem with letting the taxpayers provide a health plan for their employees 

by NineInchNachos on 11/16/2011 @ 9:19am
hey the more protesting the better. 

by NineInchNachos on 11/16/2011 @ 9:27am
MEANWHILE in the brittons

by JesseHillFan on 11/16/2011 @ 9:44am
Really I think that's a great location for a Walmart.They have excellent prices too.
It will give those whom live near that location another place to shop and jobs for the unemployed.
I hope that the construction is done ASAP and that the store Grand Opening will come very soon.
Perhaps once the old city hall is torn down a Walmart could be placed there as well which would attract new downtown shoppers.
Tacoma United For Walmart

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 9:54am
Tacoma's unemployed would really like family wage jobs with full benefits but nobody seems to be interested in providing these jobs. The progressives like pointing fingers but they won't expend any effort at actually starting the businesses they would like to see. 

Here's how the progressives like to spend their day:

Noon-wake up

1 PM- see if mom brought home some donuts and beer

2 PM- nap time

3 PM- post some anti-capitalism rhetoric

4 PM- x box hour

5 PM- coffee shop if mom left some money

6 PM- protest / Occupy movement

7 PM- rally against people who are actually doing something

8 PM- watch Dancing with the Stars

9 PM- Quiet time on basement couch , mom needs her sleep so she can work.

by The Jinxmedic on 11/16/2011 @ 10:21am
Only one hour on x-box?

by low bar on 11/16/2011 @ 10:37am
If anything its because the jobs progressives went to college for got shipped overseas by greedy conservatives who believe the free market is going to solve everything with greed.

"we did it better and for cheaper (for the consumer) what went wrong?"

oh the irony that the WM clothing brand be called Faded Glory. like it's some kind of anti american sick joke.

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 10:41am

low bar, the progressives you know have college degrees, yet they still can't form a business plan? Maybe those four year degrees in social work and french literature weren't so beneficial after all.

by low bar on 11/16/2011 @ 10:55am
not when conservatives try to maximize profits for war contractors by discontinuing government funding for education. helping a fellow american (social work) and reading a book in a different language (challenging for some americans) is a lot more interesting then shopping at walmart. but that's just me. i don't want to fill the idiot stereotype other countries have of us. 

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 11:02am

I don't know that other countries stereotype Americans as "idiots" but more likely we're stereotyped as Lazy. Liberals can start businesses just like the evil conservatives. They're just too lazy to bother. Besides, starting a new business would interfere with the daily regimen of complaining and protesting. Not sure why liberals think the marketplace should provide them a high paying job reading French literature. Didn't the economy in Greece just tank because the government was paying high wages to people for doing stupid stuff? 

by troysworktable on 11/16/2011 @ 11:07am
"Besides, starting a new business would interfere with the daily regimen of complaining and protesting."

@fredo: I don't know what your political leanings are, although I can guess, but it seems that your daily regimen consists of complaining and protesting Feed Tacoma.  How are you any different than the liberals you stereotype?  Just curious...

by low bar on 11/16/2011 @ 11:07am
i think it's pretty lazy to cut out funding social work for our fellow americans. it's not easy to protest. it's much easier to sit back and support the status quo. 

King George III used to be viewed as a huge land owner and employer. Many settlers argued against protesting his empire. anno 2011. King WM rules the lands.

You can fuck with a real American only for so long. But cutting funding for education means cutting funding for history. If you don't know where you come from....

But why should you care about top notch high school education in this country? Why should you care about your fellow American? Why care about anything other then something WM has figured out? Because it's easier to.

by low bar on 11/16/2011 @ 11:26am
Funding. You are either giving it to Stadium High to teach your children well, or you can't give it because some lazy greedy corporation is too greedy and lazy to pay taxes. 

But of course why even finish high school when all you really need is a job at walmart? I always see some real winners working there, bless their hearts. I can't help but love a fucking idiot walmart worker. They are so salt of the earth. If only their fucking employer would pay them more and hook them up with some dental and vision. It's not like enough dollars don't flood the place everyday to break them off a piece.

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 11:32am

And what prevents liberals from starting businesses which are more altruistic? How come every single business in the US is owned by a greedy person? I've asked this question several times. How come liberals won't start businesses? 

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 11:34am

Wal mart pays just as much as Tacoma Food Coop. What are your feelings about THAT employer?

by low bar on 11/16/2011 @ 11:35am
I don't think altruistic business plans can get startup loans if the loan shark bases it's lending off of a altruistic business plans lack of maximizing profits:( 

by low bar on 11/16/2011 @ 11:38am
I feel good about the COOP because it's supporting local manufacturing jobs by selling local products. In which case the producers benefit. I don't see that kind of feedback from the WM model. I could work in a local factory which sells it products at a COOP. I could then volunteer at that COOP to keep prices low and get a discount on what I buy. I don't see that feedback at WM.

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 11:43am

  Here are some businesses you could start with less than $10,000. You could work part time at Walmart and have that much saved in about 6-8 months.Plumbing, electrican, mechanic, pressure washing, stump grinding, carpet laying, landscaping, roofing, remodeling, ebay virtual store, I could on. Why would those careers require the use of the greedy loan sharks? I don't get it.  

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 11:50am
 " I feel good about the COOP because it's supporting local manufacturing jobs by selling local products. In which case the producers benefit." low bar  

Easy to sell local produce. Where do you go when you want to obtain some locally created jeans, or locally created tires, or locally created cell phones? Can you get those at the Co-op? For the record, Walmart is thought be the largest purchaser of natural organic foods in the USA.   

by low bar on 11/16/2011 @ 11:50am
Here? What is here? A dog walking business. I don't think you know how supply and demand works. But anyways. The problem is population growth. We are arguing about the wrong thing.

Getting paid to pick fruit for WM doesn't pay the bills. But getting paid to manufacture something WM sells would. But WM choses to buy cheap shit from Asia to maximize it's middle man profits.  

I guess you could work in the trades...electrician, plumbing, etc. But try to get funding for your training when WM doesn't pay taxes. Hey Fredo can I borrow about 40k from you to get a journeyman card? Oh you say the rich who employ plumbers to service their lifestyles and fix the roads they transport profit on won't pick up the bill to educate?

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 12:01pm

Nobody is forced to shop at Walmart. If people choose to support local businesses and local manufacturers that's their own choice. Back in the 1960s a japanese manufacturer started making really cheap pens, but the American's liked them. That's why you see BIC pens everywhere now. Some people like an expensive pen and that's their choice.Why can't liberals start businesses that they like? There are millions of liberal people. If each one would buy a $1000 share in the new liberal business they would likely have enough capital to crush Walmart, Kroger Stores and Costco combined. What's stopping them? 

by low bar on 11/16/2011 @ 12:01pm
anyways. greed and regulation are both to blame. throw in some over population and you're system is fucking toast. 

i think americans liked bic pens because of marketing, presentation, supply, and cheapness.

it's not hard to make someone like something. unless you're tacoma. maybe if you threw some tits on the ports more investors would take a right instead of a left out of seatac.

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 12:26pm

Well, the world has tried two greed free experimental economies. Those would be Cuba and the USSR. How did those work out?

by NineInchNachos on 11/16/2011 @ 12:34pm
which man-in-space program is still running?    the one from USSR or USA ?

by JesseHillFan on 11/16/2011 @ 1:15pm
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics doesn't exist anymore comrade.

by NineInchNachos on 11/16/2011 @ 1:18pm
ah but their bad-ass diesel punk tech does!

by JesseHillFan on 11/16/2011 @ 1:26pm
Soviet technology is useful but remember that liquid fueled spacecraft had most of their origins in  National Socialist Germany like in the A-4 (V2) Ballistic Missile which was the first liquid fueled rocket in space in 1942.

by NineInchNachos on 11/16/2011 @ 1:35pm
nazi fueled rockets are so yesterday.   Space elevator is the future!

by The Jinxmedic on 11/16/2011 @ 1:37pm
If Vladimir Putin has his way, the Union of Soviet Socialst Republics shall rise again. Oh yes- it will...

by JesseHillFan on 11/16/2011 @ 2:34pm
The space elevator concept is really a very simple concept and an old one.Being able to take cargo up to space without the space time warping (gravitation) pull of the Earth at Lagrange points.It's useful of course but interstellar travel is where the ultimate goals are at.

by AnagramPress on 11/16/2011 @ 5:50pm
Wait, B.P.O.E. stands for Benevolent Protective Order of the Elks?! When I was a kid I thought it stood for "Best People on Earth." Ergo, the Elks were the best people on earth. R.R., how many times are you going to steal the last remaining vestiges of my innocence?

When you grow up, the magic just disappears, and the world becomes a sad, sad place. Full of Walmarts.

by NineInchNachos on 11/16/2011 @ 6:42pm
very honored by a comment from AnagramPress.   SCORE! 

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 6:52pm
Another hater.

by fredo on 11/16/2011 @ 6:52pm
Another hater.

by Jesse on 11/16/2011 @ 6:58pm
Perhaps the city may have issues with permits for the new Elks project if they sell the old property to WalMart... (hint hint...)

"It's too bad that the old property has to be sold to WalMart. I have a feeling, Mr. Grand Pooh-Bah, that there'll be a really difficult road ahead of you and your new property -- you know, permit wise and such."

by fredo on 11/17/2011 @ 6:57am

Back in the bad old days banks wouldn't loan money to black people who wanted to buy property in a certain geographic area. The practice was known as redlining. It was a practice which allowed the powerful people in a community to control who came into their neighborhoods.  All these suggestions for blocking WalMart through various regulations etc. are really just a sort of modern day virtual redlining. The Walmart caters to poor people and a lot of people who consider themselves superior want to keep the poor people out.  Let's not advance the cause of class warfare. Let's make room for everybody here in Tacoma  

by JesseHillFan on 11/17/2011 @ 7:34am
Yes I don't think that conspiratorial discrimination would work in these days.Walmart has lots of money and it could bring disaster legally (and monetary) wise to the city of Tacoma if it was found that discriminatory practices (extra permit problems) were utilized.

by fredo on 11/17/2011 @ 7:40am

Good point JHF. The city of Tacoma has included in it's list of strategic goals the advancement of ECONOMIC DIVERSITY. Clearly a lot of people here at Feedtacoma do not favor this sort of DIVERSITY. They want to advance some sort of utopian redlining. If someone wants to open a business here, it must first pass the utopian litmus test. 

by NineInchNachos on 11/28/2011 @ 7:59pm
Walmart is so goddamn evil.  Seriously you guys.

by panachronic on 11/29/2011 @ 8:59am
Yeah RR that whole democracy thing really sucks when you're in the minority, eh?

by NineInchNachos on 11/29/2011 @ 9:05am
Correction sir, the whole oligarchy thing sucks when you're in the minority and or majority. 

by NineInchNachos on 12/6/2011 @ 8:43am

from my inbox:
Why Wal-Mart Should Not Be in Tacoma?

We all know that times have been tough the last few years. Many of us have struggled to find jobs, feed our families or even just stay employed. There is most likely not one among us who has been exempt from the pains of the recession. Jobs are challenging to come by, if you have one chances are that you feel both very lucky but also apprehensive about the future of that job. School funding is being cut, public safety dollars going away and our roads need work on them. Tacoma needs revenue and we need more jobs, no one would argue against that. Many would say that any job is better than no job and that is the line that Wal-Mart is playing. Wal-Mart would like us all to believe that if they move into Tacoma that they will provide those jobs, that they will bring tax revenue and that they are the answer to our problems.

 However, is Wal-Mart truly the answer to our problems? Or rather are they part of the problem? Are they partly to blame for small business going under at the same time as unprecedented income disparity? Studies have consistently been showing over the years that Wal-Mart does not provide the things that they say they are going to provide. Sure they provide jobs, with an average wage of $10 an hour. Can you feed your family for that? They provide tax revenue, but studies are showing that they are consistently finding ways to escape paying those taxes. In the 1990‚Äôs there were studies that concluded that where Wal-Mart was there was an increase in property taxes in those metropolitan areas. Study after study shows that tax revenue actually decreases with the development of big box stores. In Concord New Hampshire the revenue fell 19% and now they have one of the highest property taxes in the state to make up for it. They provide healthcare for their employees or so they like to say that they do, however on wages averaging $10 an hour most cannot afford those benefits. In California for example, the state paid over $86 million dollars in healthcare for the nearly 45k workers at Wal-Mart in 2004.

 These are but a few of the potential issues awaiting Tacoma should Wal-Mart be allowed to move in. Does this sound like a company that is truly family friendly? Does this sound like a business with the community in mind, a business that is going to bring good things to Tacoma?  I would imagine with a little thought that we could all come up with at least one or two people we know who have their own business or work for a small business. What will become of those if Wal-Mart moves in? Data provided from other cities show that it is highly likely that many will be put out of business. It is those businesses‚Äô which provide the heart and soul of a community, which provide color and life. Those are the businesses that bring tax revenue to cities. Those are the jobs that people can work at and provide a life for their families. Those are jobs people can be proud of having.

What do we want for our city? Do we want a city where people come to because we have unique businesses full of color and life or do we want a city that no one comes to because all that Tacoma offers is the choice between Wal-Mart or Target for a place to shop and a place to work? Everyone loves the Proctor District, because it is unique and offers that community feeling. The proposed Wal-Mart is in one of our Mixed-Use Centers. The area should be developed with a mix of senior citizen/disabled housing (because of access to the hospital), small scale retail and services.  We can work as a community to foster more of that around the city or we can sit back and let Wal-Mart move in and destroy any hope for that. The choice is ours and the choice is now.

What Can You Do?

We all have a voice and a say in what happens in our community, yet that time is running out! Tacoma is our community, no matter what part you live in. Together we have choices about what we want for our family, our neighbors and our friends.

We will rally this Saturday, December 10th 2011 on the corner of S. 23rd and Union starting at 11am. We will go until 1pm, however if you can‚Äôt make it for all of the rally join us for what you can. There will be yards signs available, but make your own too. Tell your friends and neighbors, bundle up and bring your kids or grandkids.  This is our chance, as a community to tell Wal-Mart that we won‚Äôt be bullied and they are not welcome! While this time of year is busy we can‚Äôt let that stop us from being a voice. Lets use this time of year as an opportunity to share with our community and fellow citizens that our city matters to us, and what happens matters to us. With holiday shoppers out this weekend there will be no better time.
In the meantime reach out to the small business owners you know, talk to them and tell them you support them. Encourage them to stand up and fight back, to join us on that corner. Let your voices be heard. We also need local businesses and their owners and employees to endorse the opposition to Wal-Mart; we'll include your names on the list of endorsers on our website. Businesses should put up signs, especially for the holiday season. Send your name and contact information and we will put you up on the website and come drop off a sign for you!

Whether you can join the rally or not you still have a voice. You can write to Wal-Mart and let them know how you feel and you can write to the city planner. You can do so in one of the following ways. Spread the word and join us in standing up for our community and the things that really matter.

by fredo on 12/6/2011 @ 9:10am

It's not nice to be a hater.

by NineInchNachos on 12/6/2011 @ 9:19am
You can write to Wal-Mart and let them know how you feel and you can write to the city planner. You can do so in one of the following ways. Spread the word and join us in standing up for our community and the things that really matter.   Lucas Shadduck - The Senior City Planner

by fredo on 12/6/2011 @ 9:19am
  "Wal-Mart would like us all to believe that if they move into Tacoma that they will provide those jobs, that they will bring tax revenue and that they are the answer to our problems." 

Walmart never said they were going to be the "answer to our problems." That's a lie

by fredo on 12/6/2011 @ 10:04am
  The city planner isn't going to be able to do anything about WalMart. Dave Boe already said that the city can't enact "business specific" planning regulations. 

Time for the fringe group of utopian agitators to grow up. Your desire for a dream world doesn't trump legitimate property rights. 

by NineInchNachos on 12/30/2011 @ 11:39am
you see it's not so bad!

by fredo on 1/12/2012 @ 3:29pm
"Wal-Mart Stores announced Wednesday it plans to open a 76,000-square-foot store in Bellevue's Marketplace @ Factoria next year ‚ÄĒ just five days after announcing it would open a 64-000-square-foot grocery in Bellevue's Kelsey Creek Center this year." Seattle Times 1/12/12
Apparently Bellevue is OK with TWO new WalMart stores so the world probably isn't going to end of WM opens up on Union Ave. in Tacoma. IMO

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2012 @ 3:32pm
Bellevue is Dino Rossi territory.  glad I have nothing to do with either of them

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2012 @ 3:32pm
poor walmart

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2012 @ 3:33pm
this is for you fredo

by fredo on 1/12/2012 @ 4:08pm
Some blacks showing they have equal access to looking stupid on you tube. The ultimate fulfillment of Dr. Martin Luther King's "dream."

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2012 @ 4:19pm
nobody is coming to see your milkshake.  we get it.

by NineInchNachos on 1/13/2012 @ 8:50am
this cartoon as been made into a 6 x 8 foot yardsign.  don't ask!

by fredo on 1/13/2012 @ 9:15am
It's a fool who plays it cool
By making his world a little colder.

by low bar on 1/13/2012 @ 10:59am
"Adam Smith and John Locke were greedy cocksuckers." - low bar

by NineInchNachos on 1/14/2012 @ 3:45pm

worlds largest tacomic vs. Elks


expect much more pics soon...

by fredo on 1/15/2012 @ 10:01am

the only thing worse than a 8 1/2" X 11" message of hate is a 6' X 8' message of hate

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2012 @ 7:25pm
this is pretty hardcore

by fredo on 1/15/2012 @ 8:10pm
If that youtube was trying to portray a groundswell of public sentiment against walmart or the elks club it was a major fail. Why upload something like that?

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2012 @ 8:18pm
I think it is full of folksy charm.  Adorable really. 

by fredo on 1/15/2012 @ 8:25pm
Charming alright. I especially liked the part where the guy couldn't get his lighter to work and also couldn't get his microphone to work.

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2012 @ 8:30pm
I love it!!!  You shoulda seen me fighting an 8 foot cartoon in the wind... my hands getting frost bit and unresponsive.   EPIC!

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2012 @ 8:31pm
98 percent of the cars gave thumbs up smile or honk.  Only 2 cars gave a one finger salute and the drivers seemed very grumpy. 

by fredo on 1/15/2012 @ 8:33pm
They probably thought that was a giant beaver standing on your head.

by JesseHillFan on 1/15/2012 @ 10:27pm
That's an awesomely huge sign RR.Great try.However I think it will be as futile effort though. 

by NineInchNachos on 1/15/2012 @ 10:44pm
of course is futile effort, but that is what makes it fun.

by panachronic on 1/17/2012 @ 4:54am
That sign is getting into - ahem - billboard territory, dontchya think?

by JesseHillFan on 1/17/2012 @ 7:42am
Uh oh.Don't give NIN any ideas.CC could get plastered with rogue signage.

by NineInchNachos on 1/17/2012 @ 7:59am
have billboard, will travel

by NineInchNachos on 1/17/2012 @ 1:50pm


by low bar on 1/17/2012 @ 2:07pm
opus dei

by NineInchNachos on 1/17/2012 @ 2:22pm
link works?  google + is a PITA  they say

by NineInchNachos on 1/22/2012 @ 3:22pm

by tacoma1 on 1/22/2012 @ 4:21pm
Wally will definitely be a bad neighbor. Btw, exactly what are you doing to that poster? On my iPhone, the photo is so small that I can see that you're wearing a trench coat, but I can't tell if your wearing pants.

by fredo on 1/22/2012 @ 6:20pm
People w/jobs trying to keep other less fortunate people unemployed as long as possible. That's my definition of neighborly. 

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2012 @ 4:50pm
Walmart strikes back!

by NineInchNachos on 2/3/2012 @ 1:19pm
thanks for all your hard WALMART work BCRA designs!

by NineInchNachos on 2/14/2012 @ 3:05pm

by tacoma1 on 2/14/2012 @ 3:12pm
Why does the Tacoma Weekly keep publishing Walmart's press releases? That isn't journalism.

by NineInchNachos on 2/14/2012 @ 3:16pm
fair and balanced

by NineInchNachos on 2/23/2012 @ 9:00pm
this tacomic has sold! 

by NineInchNachos on 3/28/2012 @ 12:53pm
why does walmart hate black people?

by The Jinxmedic on 3/28/2012 @ 1:14pm
That doesn't even make sense.

by JesseHillFan on 4/21/2012 @ 10:50pm
A Walmart story for RR (NiN).Report: Wal-Mart hushed up bribe network in 

Read more here:

by NineInchNachos on 4/22/2012 @ 9:01am
this company will do whatever it takes.  people take note.

by InvaderPet on 4/22/2012 @ 9:16am
Since Elks is the place getting screwed over, isn't it an Elk-ocaust?
I performed at Elks once years ago for school.

by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2012 @ 10:04am
hey elks, you can't shake hands with the devil and expect to not get devil cooties

by NineInchNachos on 4/29/2012 @ 10:53pm
dudes, it begins. 

own a piece of Elks treachery for your home study knickknack shelf ! 

by NineInchNachos on 4/29/2012 @ 10:54pm
get a walk in freezer before it's too late!

by JesseHillFan on 4/30/2012 @ 5:15am
RR once the worlds oil is hard to obtain (with a much worse economic depression) say in 10 or 20 years from now that Walmart store will be empty with no goods.Then again the port of Tacoma will also be barren as well (no container ships from China or anywhere else for that matter).

by fredo on 4/30/2012 @ 8:14am

What does Walmart have to do with the availability of oil? I don't get it. Everybody, even the environmental activists, use products made from oil. On another thread I read about somebody trying to buy a vinyl poncho to wear on his bicycle. Vinyl is made from petroleum.

by troysworktable on 4/30/2012 @ 8:57am
Fredo: That is JesseHillFan's point.  In 10 or 20 years (his prediction), the amount of oil will diminish, costs will increase for both goods and shipping, and WalMart will be effectively done.  I don't think his statement is as much about WalMart as about our depletion of resources, as the last sentence effectively indicates. 

In other words, changes of some sort are coming, whether we like it or not.  Our response is how we deal with such change.  My guess is that we need to get moving on bioengineering and start creating things to consume or change our consumption patterns.  We need to educate our next generation(s) and get them to work on solving problems.

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 9:00am
kiss those low low prices good night.  It's just too bad the oil won't run out before the atmosphere is completely destroyed. 

by fredo on 4/30/2012 @ 9:31am

If the prices of everything everywhere will be going up (perhaps exponentially), then why wouldn't people still be looking for the lowest priced products at places like WalMart?  If the walmart prices are no longer low low, but they're still lower than everyone else, won't they have a competitive advantage? Just asking. A $500 vinyl poncho at WalMart is still a better bargain than a $1000 vinyl poncho at Cabellas or Nordstroms. 

by fredo on 4/30/2012 @ 9:35am

The elks club used to have lavish christmas parties every year for the poor kids in town. They would have an actual Santa and gave out lots of presents to kids who might not have gotten anything else. When people criticize the elks, they are really criticizing outreach programs for poor people. Hard to get people to believe you want social justice when it's obvious you hate poor people.

by troysworktable on 4/30/2012 @ 9:43am
A flesh man who loves straw men.

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 9:43am
why beg for table scraps when you could upend the table and feast on the flesh of your oppressors ?  
#occupy may day! 

by fredo on 4/30/2012 @ 10:38am

Rr, I think you have a dark side.

by NineInchNachos on 5/2/2012 @ 8:55am
word on the street is Walmart will cut a fat check to the Elks Lodge folks in 4 days.  Ron Forrest CFO of elks has a brand new SUV. 

by NineInchNachos on 5/3/2012 @ 3:35pm
This Friday comrades.  Wally World!

by cisserosmiley on 5/3/2012 @ 7:15pm
I can't wait for the new lodge, it will be easier to get to golf after lunch with the new location.

by Jesse on 5/3/2012 @ 7:30pm
Screwed Tacoma in 1962 by up and leaving the downtown location.

Screwed Tacoma in 2012 by selling the next location.

Whatever will they do to screw Tacoma when they eventually run out of money and need to sell the rest of the golf course?

What a terrible legacy for an organization that used to do so much in the community.  It's this that they'll be remembered for. Sad.

by NineInchNachos on 5/3/2012 @ 7:55pm
poor Neko,  she doesn't want to hear about the Walmart!/NekoCase/status/198229689... 

by fredo on 5/4/2012 @ 5:12am
  How about a positive comment without conspiracy theory, bitching about how overtaxed you are, or ego-centric blather about how bad the council is while insinuating you yourself could do better... anyone? ANYONE

by The Jinxmedic on 5/4/2012 @ 7:57am

by Jesse on 5/4/2012 @ 9:00am
A positive comment?  Sure!  I actually don't buy anything at WalMart and haven't in years but I do go into the stores once in a while for people watching.  Awesome people watching!  You WILL see something interesting especially at the Port Orchard one.  The people who are being hurt the most by WalMart being a big employer are the same people who shop there!  The freaks shopping there make me miss my home in weird Portland just that much less!

Sunshine!  Positivity!  Happiness!  

by NineInchNachos on 5/4/2012 @ 9:04am
the bribe people in Mexico,  Why can't Walmart USA just bribe the 12 protesters?

by fredo on 5/4/2012 @ 9:28am
 "The people who are being hurt the most by WalMart being a big employer are the same people who shop there! " jesse

In what way?

by NineInchNachos on 5/4/2012 @ 9:36am
over exposure to butt crack ?

by JesseHillFan on 5/5/2012 @ 2:04pm
A done 

by NineInchNachos on 5/8/2012 @ 8:32am


by NineInchNachos on 5/10/2012 @ 10:37am
collecting some good comments here...

by NineInchNachos on 5/10/2012 @ 10:38am
America’s Foreign Corrupt Practices Act...  what the fuck about the rule of law don't they understand?

by NineInchNachos on 7/30/2012 @ 1:56pm
status update!

by NineInchNachos on 12/18/2012 @ 7:44am
walmart is a global criminal organization...

by NineInchNachos on 2/22/2013 @ 7:55am

by NineInchNachos on 4/2/2013 @ 7:45am

walmart construction update:

QUOTE OF THE CENTURY: "This building is such an insult to Tacoma - and the human spirit."


by cisserosmiley on 4/2/2013 @ 7:50am
I like that @jesse's vision of building new instead of making over existing sites has been achieved.

by NineInchNachos on 4/2/2013 @ 8:06am
well there was the jewel of all elkdom right there at one point. 

by Jesse on 4/2/2013 @ 8:08am
Thanks for twisting my words.  I actually said that it probably isn't wise to tear down perfectly good buildings that already exist to build new ones when said building have vacant lots around it.

by NineInchNachos on 4/2/2013 @ 8:14am
McKenna Debate Analysis

by JesseHillFan on 4/2/2013 @ 1:44pm
NiN should paint a gigantic  guerrilla artwork mural on that building late at night.Then again it would be easier to project anti Walmart slogans and hate artwork on the side of the building with a programmed LASER light show. 

by NineInchNachos on 7/17/2013 @ 9:42pm

I would have been there to protest but like I was working and stuff

by NineInchNachos on 8/5/2013 @ 8:31am

by cisserosmiley on 8/5/2013 @ 11:06am
The real mystery is: Why Tacoma Demands Better doesn't do a write up on the 'occupy Tacoma' folks, the last occupy movement in America. 

by fredo on 8/5/2013 @ 2:27pm

This place has been open for about 3 weeks.  I haven't noticed any of the horrible traffic jams that opponents were warning everybody about. In fact with all the new improvements in the area traffic is moving more calmly than ever. Thanks Walmart. 

by cisserosmiley on 8/5/2013 @ 2:50pm
Their prices are very low.

by JesseHillFan on 8/5/2013 @ 11:26pm
Look at the Tacoma Pierce County Safe Streets Campaign Club (Child I.D.)Walmart is sponsoring it in many local locations here see here at the bottom of the page.Several in Tacoma !

Maybe they could sponsor a Frost Park Chalk Off too if asked (RR would love that one!)