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4 Passive Aggressive Ways to Stick-IT to Arizona

Without Looking That Stupid Because of Northwest Detention Center, Etc.
posted May 18, 2010
Death to Arizona
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Tacoma City Council People will take a vote today to determine if the City of Destiny will join Los Angeles, Seattle, etc. in a boycott against the axis of evil-- the world's largest pot-hole state of Arizona and their horrifying 'papers please' ethnic cleansing law against brown people.  Cynical readers will also point out Arizona's new totalitarian law against human-animal hybrids; Arizona's resistance to Martin Luther King Day and Daylight Savings Time... but those are just 'straw man' arguments blah blah. Forget it! I'm here to talk of reasonable, practical 'that-said-moving-forward' crap we've all come to appreciate under a very smart, emotionless president. Practical things you as an individual can do with or without the support of your hypocritical city government... inspired in part by my good friend The Jinxmedic with his comment:

The City Council has no business boycotting anything. All this is an unecessary distraction from the work that they have to do, which is to run this city. If the Federal Government enforced its own existing laws and regulations, neither Arizona or the Gulf would be an issue right now.

However, I would support the following four boycotts by the city council:

  1. Boycott the purchase of new furniture for the city offices
  2. Boycott directing $700K state grant money to build yet another parking lot
  3. Boycott the purchase of expensive new Hybrid vehicles for the city fleet
  4. Boycott the City Manager, Eric Anderson


SPECIAL TACOMA HISTORICAL "RACIST EASTER EGG" FUN FACT:


by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 1:03am
Nice crazy spin to the whole ordeal.

Thanks more pointing out Tacoma's not too perfect past RR which makes any suggestion that Tacoma is in any position to boycott another city or state a bit bizarre.

This is going to be a close interesting vote tonight with Tacomans more than 3 to one against lauching a trade war against Arizona:

The scientific KING 5 poll shows:

72 percent of Tacomans oppose the boycott
21 percent support the boycott
7 percent are unsure

www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx...

As many have pointed out, Tacoma does not exactly have clean hands on this issue.

In the past Tacoma ejected the Chinese from the city but was never boycotted.

The Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma, which has had many, many complaints, holds over 1000 people which could cause the entire country to boycott Tacoma if they so choose:

clpmag.org/article.php?article=Young-imm...

Q: With Tacoma's past and current sins, is it really in a position to boycott anything or does it deserve to be boycotted if compared with other states and cities?

Does Tacoma really want to get into the boycott battles in which it could lose badly?

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 1:09am
Northwest Detention Center extra credit reading:

i.feedtacoma.com/berdww/rally-against-ic...

www.tacomaweekly.com/article/4076/

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 1:13am
Chinese reconciliation park, posted here as a template for a future Arizona free of white separatists:
www.crpftacoma.org/


by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 1:27am
Erik, Perhaps Tacoma is in an extra-sensitive position to judge others and issue boycotts for exactly the reasons you've tickled out.

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 1:30am
Are you suggesting felons make the best jurors?

Even if you are right, I don't think Tacoma would fare too well. Crazy notorious events happen every few years in Tacoma and it would be detrimental to our economy if Tacoma was boycotted everytime they did.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 1:34am
I am suggesting that Tacoma is Leonardo DiCaprio in the film "Catch me if you Can"

by The Jinxmedic on 5/18/2010 @ 6:30am
I like Arkady and Boris working overtime with the Ilyushin!

by fredo on 5/18/2010 @ 7:28am
I think the comparison to the historic effort to drive the Chinese out of Tacoma is a good one.

Let's compare events:

Difference #1: There was broad support (presumably) for the Chinese expulsion. There's virtually no support for the Arizona boycott.

Difference #2: The Chinese opposed the expulsion effort. Latinos oppose the Tacoma boycott.

Difference #3: The Chinese expulsion was a local Tacoma matter. Arizona's effort to address illegal immigration is not.

Difference #4: The Chinese were dealt with under cover of night. The Arizonans are being dealt with under cover of a legal proceeding.

The one consistency is this. The Chinese expulsion and the Arizona boycott both represent a clear abuse of authority by elected officials.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:09am
heard on KPLU this morning Walker and Mello are dropping all 'boycott' language from their motion... instead they'll be asking the city employees to give Arizona dirty looks.

by tacoma1 on 5/18/2010 @ 9:14am
Yeah, I heard that too.

I also heard that Seattle's voting to boycott Arizona, with the exception that their existing Arizona business dealings are still ok.......... And then, they have no teeth in their boycott either, so basically dirty looks and look the other way from our neighbors up north too.

by morgan on 5/18/2010 @ 9:28am
Tacoma-Pierce County Progressive Roundtable and co-sponsors present a bilingual...

Forum on the
Northwest Detention Center
Saturday, May 22nd at 1 PM
UW Tacoma, Philip Hall

(Park up hill from 19th & Jefferson; follow signs down UWT stairs to Philip Hall).

Speakers on the NWDC and immigration issues include:

Gabi Cubillos--former detainee at NWDC
Tim Smith--Bill of Rights Defense Committee-Tacoma
Emily Ignacio--UWT Professor in IAS, Ethnic, Gender and Labor Studies
Valerie Zukin--Attorney for the NW Immigration Rights Project
Diane Aid--New Sanctuary Movement
Antonio Flores--El Comite organizer
Christian Lopez--OneAmerican community leader

And more....

Co-sponsoring organizations include: UWT IAS, New Sanctuary Movement, Students for Sustainable Social Change, UWT Psychology Club, TahomaOrganizer.org

For more information contact: 253-250-9290

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 9:30am
Crazy notorious events happen every few years in Tacoma and it would be detrimental to our economy if Tacoma was boycotted everytime they did.


So, so true.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 10:07am
I like listening to the racist tea-bagger Arizona phone messages on the TNT...

www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/

puts me in crazy mode.

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 10:09am
Now the Tribune has linked to RR Anderson's Tacomic on the Arizona issue:

blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2010/05...

When the Tribune and RR Anderson are on the same side of the issue, watch out....

by fredo on 5/18/2010 @ 10:12am
Good catch erik. The tribune would be a better paper if it would just run all of RRs cartoons.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 10:13am
thanks guys. maybe we can boycott the TNT into accepting me into their paper.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 12:03pm
BREAKING:

Two Tacoma City Council members who have proposed a measure to discourage business with and travel to Arizona due to that state's new law cracking down on illegal immigrants are planning to remove the "boycott" language from their proposal, a city spokesman said today.

Council members Ryan Mello and Lauren Walker, who co-sponsored the proposal to be considered at tonight's council meeting, "are changing the language of the resolution" to focus "more on the issue of racial profiling and a request to the city manager and the utility director not to send city staff on trips to Arizona," said city spokesman Rob McNair-Huff.

blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2010/05...

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 12:06pm
Breaking Breaking

Letter received from Tacoma City Council member Joe Lonergan:

Mr. Bjornson,

I appreciate your taking the time to contact me on Resolution 38034 regarding Arizona Senate Bill 1070.

To this point I have received more than 90 emails and 50 phone calls/messages on this issue. I would ask that you forgive my quasi form letter response, but I did want to let you know that I have read your email, and I appreciate your input. While I cannot speak for other council members, at the time of this writing my tally has about 80 emails against the resolution and 12 in favor of it. The phone calls and messages I have received are more strongly in opposition to the resolution.

This weekend I had the opportunity to help clean up our community participating in Safe Streets annual Graffiti Cover-up. It was a great time of community working together to improve our neighborhoods and I was glad to do it. I also spent some time reviewing some of the issues facing us on this weeks agenda items that are significant to the future of Tacoma. In addition to that, I got to spend an amazing amount of time reviewing the Arizona law and related laws, reading emails and having multiple conversations about the resolution.

The idea that the Tacoma City Council could or should pass judgment on a law the state of Arizona passed and is widely supported by its citizens is surprising and disappointing to me. When it was brought up at last weeks study session, I and other council members expressed strong reservations about the resolution.

I have received a new draft of a resolution I understand will be used as a substitute to the one that has received so much attention. Part of the change is the removal of language calling for a boycott of Arizona. Your input has had some impact on the course of this resolution.

For those of you who have called for a boycott of Tacoma and some who have even expressed your boycott has begun, I would ask that you reconsider for two reasons. First, the council has not taken action on a resolution brought forth by two of its members. It may be that this resolution does not pass. Secondly, I do not believe it would not be right for us to boycott the hardworking men and women of Arizona for a law they did not enact. I believe that the hardworking men and women of Tacoma should not be punished for the actions of their government, either.

Again, thank you for being an active and engaged participant in the government process.

Joe Lonergan
Tacoma City Council
joe.lonergan@cityoftacoma.org
Office: 253-591-5100
Cell: 253-592-4902
747 Market Street, 1200
Tacoma, WA 98402

If you have an opinion on the proposed boycott, contact the Tacoma City Council at :

www.cityoftacoma.org/page.aspx?nid=54

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 12:09pm
blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2010/05...

"As far as city officials knew as of late last week, the City of Tacoma currently holds just one contract with a business based in Arizona: RedFlex Traffic Systems, which administers operations of the city's red light cameras. Both Walker and Anderson, for reasoning spelled out above about existing contracts, had already noted last week that the city's contract with RedFlex would be unaffected by the resolution."


RR COMMENTARY:

Another way to hurt Arizona businesses is to ride the bus and completely avoid red light cameras. No tickets = No Money going to the Great Satan. Win Win!

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 12:09pm
Thanks for the update RR. I think, the city needs to take a bit of a breather on the issue and step back and try to figure out how to improve TACOMA. Think of that.



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by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 12:22pm
More media coverage on Tacoma:

5/18/10 Hour 4 - Pointless Boycott

www.kvi.com/onair/bryan/94141859.html

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 12:23pm
hmm ways to improve Tacoma... not vote for Joe Lonergan? :)

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 12:24pm
Wish I could stream Mike Lonergan today .. . he'll be talking about it too.

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 12:27pm
RR: Would you consider covering tonight's city council meeting in your usual way with screen shots and humor on a Feed Tacoma post?

Feed Tacoma readers miss those days.

You will have lots of lively characters appear at public comment period. Promise.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 12:31pm
I wonder whose side the traveller will come down on?

even so... you guys see this?

deprofiler.com/

by ixia on 5/18/2010 @ 12:44pm
Ah yes, kkkvi. Next we'll hear Beck is againt the boykott.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 12:57pm
glad to have you back ixia!

by fredo on 5/18/2010 @ 12:58pm
hmm ways to improve Tacoma... not vote for Joe Lonergan? :) RR

What is he a candidate for?

The letter he wrote and Erik posted showed he is in tune with public sentiment. Ryan Mello and Lauren Walker, not so much.

by JesseHillFan on 5/18/2010 @ 1:06pm
NiN Our legendary hero Robert Jesse Hill A.K.A. The Traveler is currently incarcerated in the Pierce County Jail according to the Pierce County LINX website but should be out by this Saturday May 22,2010.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 1:43pm
hells bells! Well I will not presume to guess which side of the issue he would support... maybe both.

this one goes out to our friends held against their will...

www.youtube.com/watch#!v=b4Q6e00ACyk

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 1:47pm
Hmmmm.

Yet another fire on Hilltop today which will likely lead to another blighted lot there. Perhaps a discussion on how Hilltop could be revitalized could be on tonight's agenda instead of how to boycott another state:





blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2010/05/18...

Just a thought.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 2:18pm
parking lot!

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 4:23pm
All reports are there will be a record number of public commenters to discuss the possible trade war/boycott/condemnation of ARIZONA!

Although there may be alternative language, here is the agenda for tonight:

cms.cityoftacoma.org/cityclerk/Files/Cit...

Expect all sorts of folks to show up to espouse their cause from across a wide political spectrum.

by Jesse on 5/18/2010 @ 4:44pm
Dropping "the fat man" on Arizona is classic. I'm still snickering about it. Good stuff!

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:12pm
Anybody else watching live? Click Channel 12.

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 5:16pm
Posting a play by play would be great for anyone who is watching......

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:23pm
I'm tweeting it right now

www.twitter.com/tacomamama

but I'll copy and paste here:

...Mello: will support removal provided substitute amendment is added to agenda - substitute amendment will remove the word "boycott"
1 minute ago via web
City Council has moved consideration of the AZ boycott up in the agenda, moved and seconded to remove it from the agenda...
2 minutes ago via web

Tacoma City Council meeting just started. Click! channel 12. Should be lively public comment on proposed boycott of AZ.
9 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:26pm
Original resolution removed, substitute resolution introduced. New resolution calls for federal level immigration reform and opposes az law

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:32pm
Public comment starts now. (live tweeting Tacoma City Council Meeting.)
less than 20 seconds ago via web
Council voted to consider the substitute resolution.
half a minute ago via web
Brewer: we're trying to address how AZ is addressing illegal immigration, we all agree there is a problem w/ illegal immigration.
less than a minute ago via web

New resolution is not yet available online, according to @cityoftacoma
2 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:40pm
Michael Collier chair of advocacy group, would like to see the word "boycott" added. Council member requested no further applause (or boos)
less than 20 seconds ago via web

First speaker, a student, is for the resolution. She seems very nervous.
4 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:44pm
...have you studied Tacoma's history?) Chinese expulsion, NW detention center... Japanese internment...
less than 10 seconds ago via web
next speaker: oppression and discrimination are contagious and we must stop this wildfire before it spreads here. (er...
half a minute ago via web

Next speaker would also like to see "boycott" included, says together with other cities we can speak through budgets
2 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:46pm
next speaker: military spouse, speaking "on behalf of military families" says soldiers returning home to az should not have to be fearful
less than 20 seconds ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:52pm
also wants to remove language saying AZ law encourages racial profiling.
less than 20 seconds ago via web

"regardless of immigration status" from language respecting dignity of all tacoma residents.
half a minute ago via web

...consider some alterations and is "concerned about the speed" of considering resolution. Asking council to strike the words
less than a minute ago via web

robert cleveland: thanks mello for removing resolution, "boycotts result in unintended consequences." Asks that council members...
2 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 5:54pm
CityofTacoma

Resolution No. 38035 is now posted on the City's website at www.cityoftacoma.org/Page.aspx?nid=256
less than 20 seconds ago via Twitterrific
Retweeted by you

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 5:59pm

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 6:00pm
still chuckling at "posters have no place in civil discourse" guy. Tomorrow @smctacoma there better be no posters in the audience...
less than a minute ago via web

...recognizes the real dangers of racial profiling.
3 minutes ago via web

National Lawyers Guild Representative: Supporting the resolution. Liked the old resolution but also in favor of this one which..
4 minutes ago via web

also says "nobody told me I could bring posters" "I resent these posters" council member ordered people to put their signs down.
4 minutes ago via web

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:02pm
thanks Jenyum! you rock

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 6:07pm
Beatrice Rodriguez: reading her statement in spanish, then translated by friend.
less than 20 seconds ago via web


Would like to see the fence improved.
less than a minute ago via web

(Is he talking about the oil slick or immigration reform?)
1 minute ago via web

Hal: this is all about the rule of law. It's coming north ladies and gentlemen and unless something is done about it, it will be here...
2 minutes ago via web

Hal: This has "nothing to do with race" many come from Asia and Muslim countries.
3 minutes ago via web

Hal Washburn: Olalla WA resident. "spent weeks on the AZ border helping border patrol" as a member of the minutemen.
3 minutes ago via web

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:08pm
Old Minute Man Militia (from other side of narrows)


by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:10pm
first bi lingual public comment (minute man's head explodes)




by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 6:27pm
"I appreciate that our civic leaders can address both local and national concerns."
less than 10 seconds ago via web

Emily Ignacio: resident of "hilltopia" (heh)
less than a minute ago via web

at the end he got choked up and referred to his family's military service and the importance of English.
less than a minute ago via web

he said that. about the front yards.
2 minutes ago via web

to do they should resign immediately. People he's speaking 4 tonight could not be here because they are busy cleaning up their front yards
2 minutes ago via web

(Tacoma) should be looking at the mess in their front yard before looking at their neighbors. Says if council can find nothing better
3 minutes ago via web

...door and ask them to mow your lawn
4 minutes ago via web

Stan: if you walk out of your front door in the morning and see before you knee high grass and garbage you do not knock on your neighbor's
4 minutes ago via web

He was asked to be there on behalf of a number of people who have important things to do, apparently.
4 minutes ago via web

Stan Smith (he is a very common speaker.)
5 minutes ago via web

someone started heckling him toward the end. now he's heckling the council.
5 minutes ago via web

(I am live tweeting the Tacoma city council meeting, current comments are from members of Grupo Tacoma.)
6 minutes ago via web
...a city secure and progressive that recognizes the civil rights of the persons who live here.
7 minutes ago via web
example of this are the decisions of this city of tacoma, that has been denominated as the "city of destiny"
7 minutes ago via web
az has destroyed that, there are local governments who fight restlesstly to achieve justice and the well-being of its citizens, and the
8 minutes ago via web
abraham lincoln and martin luther king who held up high the ideals of equality and justice in the US. In the eyes of the world, today
8 minutes ago via web
...creating hate laws (cites law names) with similarities to the terrible chapter known as apartheid. the principals of a wise man like
9 minutes ago via web
Refers to apartheid in South Africa, "today as incredible as it may seem, AZ has shamed the political intelligence of the United States...
9 minutes ago via web
this speaker is talking about the horrible racially motivated episodes of the 20th century.
11 minutes ago via web

"Tacoma hopes for a better world." (these speakers all wear shirts that say "grupo tacoma" next speaker up now.
11 minutes ago via web

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:37pm
Mr. 'glen beck tears'

papers please!

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:38pm
Mr. and Mrs. Anders Ibsen




by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:39pm


guess what his views are? Are you seeing a pattern here? PAPERS PLEASE!

RR COMMENTARY: Is that you fredo?

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 6:40pm
next speaker: thanks the council for backing off boycott language quotes lincoln " a house divided cannot stand" man lincoln's busy 2nite
3 minutes ago via web

"current statement represents the absolute bare mimimum tacoma can do to stand against injustice."
5 minutes ago via web

gradually people began to see that identifying personhood with wealth or race or gender was wrong, but it took time.
5 minutes ago via web

Leah Cokeley, Tacoma resident: when this country was founded not all people enjoyed full personhood and full rights.
6 minutes ago via web

Jack Tippen: asking that the resolution be modified to include an e-verify ordinance to create a disincentive for illegal aliens 2 come here
7 minutes ago via web

"I believe that the voters of Tacoma will remember courage."
8 minutes ago via web

"I knew what the boycott resolution was... I don't know what this resolution is, the disapproval resolution?"
8 minutes ago via web

Beverly Ibsen: MLK said the arc of the universe bends towards justice, but Obama says it doesn't get there alone.
9 minutes ago via web

"what does appearing to be in the country illegally mean?
10 minutes ago via web

Anders Ibsen, lifelong city council meeting speaker. (I'm paraphrasing ;)
11 minutes ago via web

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:40pm


"We are the illegal aliens... We are standing on Native Lands"

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:43pm


old, white, silver mustache... papers please!

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:45pm


Santa says: "Papers Please!"

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 6:49pm


"Stop Racial Profiling. Bring on the boycott!"

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 6:50pm
urges the council to take a much stronger stance.
less than 10 seconds ago via web

profiling discrimination and social justice.
1 minute ago via web

Dan is afraid the new resolution clouds the issue: the question before us tonight has little to do with immigration, has to do with racial
1 minute ago via web

Dan Sexton: sounds like he has my cold. enjoy 3 more weeks of coughing, dan. Sorry about that.
2 minutes ago via web

hooloovoo
@tacomamama I go to college in AZ. If it helps any, my whole school is in favor of everyone boycotting AZ.
4 minutes ago via Echofon in reply to tacomamama
Retweeted by you

he is now talking about crime problem in AZ.
3 minutes ago via web

that our country is a nation of laws and laws exist for a reason."
3 minutes ago via web

Richard Bacon Tacoma resident and world traveler. "all countries require some form of documentation." "we seem to be forgetting..
4 minutes ago via web

"this nation doesn't need more foster kids." (meaning, more kids in foster care.) True that.
6 minutes ago via web

next speaker: how can I explain to my kids that their cousins may have to come live with them because their uncles will be taken away?
6 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 6:57pm
(by the way the Tacoma Community House has an excellent cookbook out which I need to review yesterday.)
half a minute ago via web

social services to all newcomers since 1910. Has handled civil rights matters for people who have been racially profiled
1 minute ago via web

had wanted old resolution but encourages the council to vote for the substitute resolution. Tacoma community house has provided
2 minutes ago via web

Joseph Diaz: attorney and chairman of board of Tacoma Community House
3 minutes ago via web

Next speaker: would be frightened to travel to AZ and she was born in Brooklyn NY. This effects a lot more people than many of us realize
5 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 7:12pm
Tacoma Piece County chapter of ACLU rep speaking.
less than 20 seconds ago via web

Oh, except for one of the lawn care people Stan spoke for.
2 minutes ago via web

I would like to pause to observe that so far everyone opposed to the measure has been white and male.
3 minutes ago via web

Anderson: Jurisdiction is important for governments. Republic is guaranteed to us regardless of which state we live in by the constitution
5 minutes ago via web

Carl Anderson: can't count the number of times he's left the house w/ out his wallet - people don't ever ask imm. status.
6 minutes ago via web

sorry, making dinner during last speaker who was for the resolution. current speaker is also for the resolution, says bill is racial prof.
9 minutes ago via web

Next speaker: the majority often does not favor civil rights. (This is true)
13 minutes ago via web

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 7:22pm






these dudes are all in support of the boycott... which throws my 'old dudes with mustaches' racial profiling out the window. Proof as to how flawed racial profiling is.


by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 7:31pm
First rate coverage RR and Tacoma Mamma. As predicted, the activists have turned out.

Live blogging and photo blogging!

The KING 5 survey showed that every racial and political group in Tacoma overwhelmingly opposes the boycott:

www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx...

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 7:38pm
and my children just explained to me that they are not fully american since they are 1/4 Korean.
1 minute ago via web

next speaker: one of the students she tutors had a brother about to graduate from lincoln high who was rounded up and deported to mexico
6 minutes ago via web

I missed the beginning of that does anyone know, did that happen here or in AZ?
9 minutes ago via web

and the police said this is normal with what is happening in AZ right now
9 minutes ago via web

I was serving dinner during the last speaker, but she said she was harrassed by someone because she is mexican (when her kid was w/ her)
9 minutes ago via web

once again the nation is watching tacoma.
15 minutes ago via web

says if you do not boycott az you make chinese reconciliation park utterly meaningless. the tacoma solution spread up and down the w coast
15 minutes ago via web

a chinatown? Because in a time of recession, people went after immigrants.
16 minutes ago via web

Tom who's last name I didn't get: please reinstate boycott. Make resolution meaningful. Asks why is tacoma the only city on W coast w/out
17 minutes ago via web

Next speaker: (who is excellent) five biggest exports from this state are agribusiness, not boeing or microsoft.
18 minutes ago via web

ACLU supports the resolution: next speaker read statue of liberty poem. was excited about original resolution but supports current one.
23 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 7:46pm
Julio Quan: a citizen of the united states, for those who may doubt it because of his accent. English is his 6th language.
less than 20 seconds ago via web

Says Tacoma should emulate AZ law and make one of our own.
2 minutes ago via web

Glen Hurlbert: (just call me "thunder") people voted 2 to 1 in local poll not to vote for AZ. Wants council to also not support current one
3 minutes ago via web

Bravo, servicemember whose name I did not get. Gave a great speech.
5 minutes ago via web

Next speaker is servicemember, disgusted that council told people to put down their posters because Mad Poster Guy asked them to.
6 minutes ago via web

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 8:03pm
Sure is a lot of attention for a law not even passed in our state.

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 8:08pm
Public comment closed. Phew.
less than 10 seconds ago via web

Junie Mitchel: extremely proud of Lauren and Ryan for bringing for the resolution.
1 minute ago via web

that we are ignoring our own police department in our own city and starting to ramble.
2 minutes ago via web

This guy does not get how to talk to Tacoma. This is the general problem with activists from Olympia, in my experience. He's telling us
2 minutes ago via web

"all you've got."
3 minutes ago via web

Olympia police watch activist "comes here to watch our corrupt police department." We should support the resolution because it's
3 minutes ago via web

"people try to equate immigrants with criminals but there are 12 million immigrants without documentation"
4 minutes ago via web

in the inquisition they killed a lot of people under the law.
5 minutes ago via web

Next speaker: a lot of people talk about the law but they don't know what the law is. In germany they killed a lot of people under the law
5 minutes ago via web

Josephine C.: husband was taken by immigration, can't afford a lawyer, wants immigration reform now.
6 minutes ago via web

...with those insidious traffic cameras. (I think this would be very popular but it's not going to happen.)
10 minutes ago via web

next speaker: instead of just criticizing az why not be really courageous and stop doing business w/ az companies that steal from public..
10 minutes ago via web

...I hear you reverend morton my husband wasn't born in this country. we all have a personal connection.
11 minutes ago via web

Reverend Morton: recently read a devotional about kristallnacht, which got to him personally because his two children are jewish.
11 minutes ago via web

calls upon people to "denounce the persecution of the stranger."
15 minutes ago via web

all relief agencies should be able to administer to people regardless of their legal status.
15 minutes ago via web

Reverend Chris Morton Associated Ministries: group hasn't had chance to review but reading statement prepared for previous immigration issue
15 minutes ago via web

...they think with their pockets."
16 minutes ago via web

Mr. Quan is speaking to the historical connection between economic trouble and fascism. "Fascists don't speak with their brains..
16 minutes ago via web

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:10pm
exciting! what will happen? this is better than Tee Vee!

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:13pm
@erik you think the Minute Men would come out from under their rocks to comment on LeMay or fucking parking lot? This is AWESOME!

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 8:20pm
Now over 3 hours of public comment. This must be some sort of public commenting record.

Have the "regular" commenters appeared yet and taken positions on the issue?

Where is the guy from University Place?

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:23pm
some, but not many. :(

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 8:25pm
Lonergan encourages us to read up on water filtration because it's going to be a big issue.
less than 10 seconds ago via web


Lonergan: testimony tonight almost balanced out the phone calls and emails in terms of pro/con.
1 minute ago via web

we need to take that energy we would like to throw at az and focus on our own city.
2 minutes ago via web

"people say we need to focus on local issues, but we do need to spend some time debating civil liberties and focusing on racial inequality"
2 minutes ago via web

another from colorado that says the writer was outraged the city of Albuquerque would support such a resolution. Got 200 emails 20 in favor
3 minutes ago via web

Shares two emails, 1 from "heather" that says "support this resolution or you're racist."
4 minutes ago via web

Marty: it is amazing the difference between who will show up and stand here and talk, and who will send in an email.
5 minutes ago via web

..."but what I have heard tonight is incredible." Most people talked about what AZ is doing, 5 or 6 talked about what Tacoma is doing.
6 minutes ago via web

Marty Campbell: I don't believe it is the role of a council member to weigh in on other state's issues.
6 minutes ago via web

Mello: had the "b word" been included the powerful discussion we had tonight would have been about boycotts and not about racial profiling.
9 minutes ago via web

Mello: I'm hopeful that after hearing the testimony tonight everyone is moved to stand up for justice.
12 minutes ago via web

Walker points out that only three people spoke in opposition.
15 minutes ago via web

Woodards: adds amendment celebrating and supporting our diversity.
16 minutes ago via we

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 8:33pm
Boe obstains. Wants the resolution "Tacoma Centric."

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:40pm
very emotional night !

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 8:42pm
woodards: so encouraged after the testimony tonight, it may have only been 53 but it's really easy to send an email
4 minutes ago via web

woodards: we're not elected to represent our own views but the people that we represent. 80-90% of the emails asked them not to support
4 minutes ago via web

one of your constituents wants you all to make a vote so mama can put her to bed.
5 minutes ago via web

Boe: can't vote against this resolution but does feel it goes beyond the purview of the council as written right now. will abstain.
6 minutes ago via web

Boe: this really needs to be focused on Tacoma. We can use the AZ law as a bad example but our resolution needs to be about what we do.
8 minutes ago via web

Councilmember Boe: talking about the public forum 2 weeks ago where family & friends of accused hilltop crips talked about racial profiling
10 minutes ago via web

OK Councilmember lonergan, time to get to the point.
12 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 8:44pm
forgive my city council ignorance, but which council member is speaking?
less than 10 seconds ago via web

@kevinfreitas I send emails to Olympia but when I call or write or show up in person it just means more.
1 minute ago via web in reply to kevinfreitas

@kevinfreitas well, when the proportion of people who show up in person is so disproportionately different pro/con u it means something.
2 minutes ago via web in reply to kevinfreitas

Woodards read a strong statement by Mayor Strickland in favor of the resolution.
3 minutes ago via web

woodards: so encouraged after the testimony tonight, it may have only been 53 but it's really easy to send an email
9 minutes ago via web

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 8:50pm
looks like they may not have the votes. mello is requesting a five minute recess.
less than 10 seconds ago via web

every ordinance or resolution shall require an affirmative vote of at least 5 for passage.
less than a minute ago via web

says he helped craft language because even tho opposed he wanted it to have the best language possible.
1 minute ago via web

were about to move to a vote but Marty wants another minute to talk
3 minutes ago via web

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 8:51pm
Drama! Issue stalled over legality of needing 5 votes. Strickland is absent. Mello requests and is granted a 5 minute recess (presumably).

Commentary: I hope they make it an up or down vote tonight so that the city can resolve the issue or people are going to drive in from around the country next week to give testimony.

Boe's abstention is functioning the same as a no vote.

So Boe, Marty and Joe against and Marilyn Absent. I assume Spiro is againsts.

Yeah....Mello only has 4 votes. Hmmm.

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 8:53pm
ack! I need to put the kids to bed. Marty! Just vote for it already. Do it for the children!

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:54pm
freakin a. .. best council meeting ever!

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 8:55pm
Vote: 4 ayes. Not enough!

Watered down anti Arizona motion fails!

Fey switches votes so he can make a motion for reconsideration next week. Crazy!

Prepare for another huge public comment period multiple hour comment period next week as well as perhaps an amended amendment.

But for now, the boycott war with Arizona is averted.

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 8:56pm
4 ayes two absent one abstaining failed, fey changed vote to no, for purposes of reconsideration next week.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:56pm
god damn it, one vote short! freakin boe abstaining.. if Strickland was there it would have passed!

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:59pm
I think the whole 'you need 5 votes' thing caught Mello off guard.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 9:09pm
Thanks everyone for your amazing work and comments here under the Tacomic.

maybe we can get the full minute men militia to come next week... Fredo can you email your contacts?

by fredo on 5/18/2010 @ 9:12pm
who voted aye?

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 9:15pm
Yeah, there is nothing that makes people go as crazy as an issue that could go either way. Sort of like Bush v. Gore and hanging chads.

by JesseHillFan on 5/18/2010 @ 9:21pm
Actually this is great.Robert Jesse Hill will be out of the hoosgau and it would be a hoot if he was at next weeks city council meeting to voice his opinion on this subject when reintroduced.

by fredo on 5/18/2010 @ 9:31pm
Regarding Mr. Mello's political savvy:

Why put a resolution on the agenda if you don't have the votes?

Regarding the pro boycott activists:

I fail to see what difference it makes if 50 or 60 activists show up for a council meeting. Polls show the vast majority of Tacomans don't endorse the boycott.

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 9:38pm
Fredo: the boycott has been removed from the resolution.

Voting aye were Woodards, Mello, Fey, and Walker. Later Fey changed his vote to no so they could hear it again next week. The Mayor voiced her support in a letter, so it will likely pass next week.

Re: your question about Mello, why help with the wording if you're not going to vote for the resolution... Marty? (I know what you said, I'm just feeling it was a little McCain-y.)

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 9:40pm
@JesseHillFan Hot Dog!


also Marty can really speak with conviction. He's like Bill Clinton with a beard!

by JesseHillFan on 5/18/2010 @ 9:45pm
fredo,It shows that those who actually showed up at the city council public speaking forum would walk the walk rather than talk the talk.They went out of their way to actually show up in person.
The council members took quite a BIG notice of that although a couple of anti illegal immigration speakers did speak at the public forum they were quite outnumbered in stark and opposite contrast to the news tribune poll,message board forum,King 5 poll,telephone calls and emails.

by fredo on 5/18/2010 @ 9:49pm
They don't have the votes but allow a pointless discussion about something that has nothing to do with Tacoma. How about a 3 hour discussion on the subject of borrowing money from the Police Pension Fund to buy some new furniture for city hall?

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 9:52pm
I'd love to see a clip of the whole poster exchange posted, I couldn't understand some of what was said at the time.

by JesseHillFan on 5/18/2010 @ 9:56pm
No problem jenyum the city council archives the video/audio.One could even have recorded the entire video in Real Player something like that.

by fredo on 5/18/2010 @ 9:59pm
"It shows that those who actually showed up at the city council public speaking forum would walk the walk rather than talk the talk.They went out of their way to actually show up in person.
The council members took quite a BIG notice of that" JHF

If the council took a BIG notice then why didn't they pass the resolution? Those activists were probably planted by Walker and Mello. right now they're probably partying it up at the Thunderbird on Ryan's dime.

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 10:12pm
No problem jenyum the city council archives the video/audio.One could even have recorded the entire video in Real Player something like that.


I know but I'd love a clip of just that and the exchange that followed. I'm not good with teh video editing, maybe someone could contribute it.

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 10:19pm
Other media coverage:

3. Tacoma City Council members hedged their proposal to boycott travel, goods and services from Arizona (the Seattle City Council voted passed an Arizona boycott resolution yesterday.)

Council members have removed the word “boycott” from the proposal. The Tacoma News Tribune has the the scoop at their blog, Spin Control.


www.publicola.net/2010/05/18/on-other-bl...

by Thorax O'Tool on 5/18/2010 @ 10:23pm
Next week? Man, I may actually go to a City Council meeting for then first time ever.

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 10:27pm
After that ending? You know the sequel is just going to suck. I bet next week Marty will be replaced by Steven Baldwin.

by Erik on 5/19/2010 @ 12:41am
Here is the watered down amended version:

cms.cityoftacoma.org/cityclerk/Files/Cit...

It doesn't say much. Why bother? Why even mention Arizona?

Why claim that it is "unconstitutional" when it is up to the federal courts to make that conclusion (or not)?

What is the legislative goal here?

by fredo on 5/19/2010 @ 6:23am
WHEREAS the Tacoma City Council will oppose any efforts to introduce
local legislation similar to Arizona S8 1070; Now, Therefore,
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TACOMA:
Section 1. That the City of Tacoma hereby urges the state of Arizona to
rescind or significantly amend Arizona Senate 8ill 1070.


...except polls show that Tacomans support Arizona bill 1070 by wide margin. Is our council going to represent the opinion of its constituency or represent the opinion of some outside rabble rousers, illegals, or social malcontents?

by fredo on 5/19/2010 @ 6:36am
glad Ryan has an adult job. tough to make the transition from child actor.

www.imdb.com/media/rm2935526912/nm066582...

by Erik on 5/19/2010 @ 11:59pm
News Tribune op ed for tomorrow:

The Tribune says that Tacoma is better than Seattle!!

Tacoma council right to forgo hypocritical boycott

Neither the Tacoma City Council nor its Seattle counterpart emerged from their debates over Arizonas immigration-enforcement law this week unscathed.

Both councils are due some lumps for presuming to counsel a border state overwhelmed by illegal immigration.

City leaders living 1,000 miles north of the Mexican border cant possibly fathom the depths of frustration that led Arizona to take matters into its own hands after years of federal inaction.

...
The council may be guilty of wasting its time. But well take that over sanctimonious hypocrisy any day.


blog.thenewstribune.com/opinion/2010/05/...

by NineInchNachos on 5/20/2010 @ 8:08am
yeah, because california/oregon/washington some of the most fertile farmland in the galaxy and inexplicably dependent on migrant farm workers can't possibly have an opinion on matters of illegal immigration.

give me a break .

by fredo on 5/20/2010 @ 8:18am
Nachos the government has established programs for the purpose of supplying immigrant labor to the agricultural community in the US. The immigrant signs a contract with the farmer, presents himself/herself at the farm, works the entire season, and then gets a trip back to his home paid for by the farmer. This is a government sanctioned program to supply the needs of the agricultural industry that you mentioned.

The illegals who don't avail themselves of this program obviously have no intention of limiting their involvement in the US to picking crops for some extra seasonal cash. Rather, they wish to permanently attach themselves to the American teat.

by Jesse on 5/20/2010 @ 8:30am
So... illegals are ok as long as they are picking crops?

by NineInchNachos on 5/20/2010 @ 8:34am
What I am saying is that our city/state/county has a right to an opinion on the illegal immigration issue. and the argument "you don't know so shut up" are bull.

by fredo on 5/20/2010 @ 8:34am
Jesse is your question for fredo or nacho?

by Jesse on 5/20/2010 @ 8:48am
All I'll say is this:

1. Work with Mexico to make thier economy stronger so we don't have this problem. Pass some environmental laws and minimum pay laws there as well.
2. Go after the employers of illegals. To get a job should require a social security card or temporary work permit. Any job.
3. Make the law read so that one of your parents has to be a citizen for you to be born a citizen on American soil. Otherwise, you have to go through the road to citizenship like any other immigrant. This'll stop the "anchor babies" phenom and the welfare and gov't programs that follow.
4. Don't allow pay to non-americans to be below the state minimum wage. We shouldn't be taking advantage of the fact these people come from a poor and destitute hell-hole and will therefore work for pennies on the dollar. Even crop labor.
5. Make the social security system one that only allows social security cardholders (US citizens only) to utilize the social security system and entitlements in this country.

Ok, I'm off to work now.

Ok, that's my take on this. Wrote more than I wanted to.

by fredo on 5/20/2010 @ 9:09am
Jessie:

1. If Mexico's economy was suddenly twice as prosperous as it is today the US would still be an enormous magnet for their poor. Our entitlements, which look spartan to Americans, look lavish to impoverished mexicans. Doubt if the Mexican government would be interested in environmental law or minimum wage law. Furthermore, this isn't just a 'mexican' problem. Almost all latin american countries and half the rest of the world are in the same boat. Should we get involved in all their problems? How are we doing with our own problems?

2. agreed

3. agreed

4. elimination of the minimum wage law would accomplish this overnight.

5. agreed

Wow, quite a bit of agreement between jesse and fredo!

by greenfringegarden on 5/20/2010 @ 11:06am
I am still confused as to how a Tacoma Boycott of Arizona's immigration policy really changes anything here... or there except to make us feel really good about ourselves. I have seen more Arizona License plates around and I was wondering if these people are escapees...I recently purchased tacos at Trader Joe's in Burien on a special display and made sure to ask since I was buying tacos...did I need to check in with anybody...? I do like doing stand up comedy in the produce aisle too when I am purchasing organic produce from Mexico or think of friends who have hired illegal workers for lawn care services and then they spout off about "immigration."

I'd like to post our family's favorite historical sign..."Irish Need Not Apply" and "No Jews"...Perhaps we should just tell Arizona racists they are not welcome in Washington State and pass legislation to keep them out, and remind ourselves that most likely the land bridge from the US to Mexico actually did extend up into Washington State as many Native Americans have reminded me...I'd like my son to really learn about Washington State history and include reading the actual reading of the Point Elliot Treaty. I respect the Tacoma City Council folks very much but it does seem weird to point out issues in another location when we have quite a few of our own here. Thank you Chief Seattle, and the Duwamish Tribe for letting our family stay here.

by NineInchNachos on 5/20/2010 @ 11:54am
making us feel good in itself has value. Just look at the valuable wealth American Citizens pump into the underground drug syndicates.

I heard on NPR that by far the bulk of the drug syndicates income comes from pot... Imagine how much damage we could do to them simply by legalizing this hearty pain killer.

by NineInchNachos on 5/20/2010 @ 12:03pm
"Anchor babies" is not a bug, it is a feature.

by NineInchNachos on 5/20/2010 @ 1:08pm
wonkette.com/415530/ladwp-to-arizona-suc...

by NineInchNachos on 5/20/2010 @ 4:22pm
Terra Organics takes a stand:

"And that’s because the new law in Arizona is state-sanctioned discrimination. If the problem was on our northern border, and white Canadians and other non-American whites were jumping the border, it would be obvious that a similar law that called for the detention of any person suspected of being in the country illegally would be absurd. Or, more accurately, it would be useless because how could one distinguish between an illegal Canadian and a legal American? But because there’s no confusion that in Arizona they are targeting illegal-aliens from Latin America, anybody with brown skin and that speaks Spanish is a suspect, a target, of the law. And that is the definition of discrimination."

blog.terra-organics.com/2010/05/standing...

by Erik on 5/20/2010 @ 6:42pm
This Boycott other remote states issue is getting so much visibility, you might have to do another Tacomic RR ON THE SAME ISSUE TWO WEEKS IN A ROW.

Sure RR, the folks at the Washington Times are a bit off. However, you have to admire the flourish to their crazy rhetoric:

A handful of city councils around the country have recently grabbed headlines by adopting anti-Arizona resolutions in response to that state's toughened stance on unlawful immigration. Leftist groups have worked overtime to organize the effort to pressure Arizona lawmakers into repealing the new law before the ink had dried on the governor's signature. While these council ordinances promise dramatic action, they amount to little more than a feel-good measure for armchair revolutionaries. When it comes to choosing between dollars and principle, cities choose cold cash every time.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/21...

Somehow the "photo enforcement" issue keeps coming up in the boycott issue:

It turns out that the two largest providers of photo-enforcement equipment are headquartered in the Grand Canyon State. San Diego and Seattle have an existing contract with American Traffic Solutions, which is based in Scottsdale. Oakland contracts with Redflex Traffic Systems, which, although it has a large Phoenix office, is really based in Australia. Oakland politicians, however, can hardly escape their dilemma by admitting to their constituents that the millions in ticketing revenue is going to a foreign country instead of Arizona. Nor are they about to give up the city's share of the loot. No matter how loud the rhetoric against Arizona's new law, no city has announced any intention whatsoever of dropping an Arizona-based traffic-camera contract.

Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn let slip to a Seattle Times columnist what the real reason is for exempting cameras from the boycott. "You may have noticed we have a budget deficit here," the mayor admitted.


Like Tacoma, cities around the nation are asking, how do we stick it to Arizona but keep the robotic red light enforcement systems in place that bring us money?

Q: Is there any way this boycott issue can free Tacomans of getting ticketed by the robotic red light camera enforcement robots?

by Erik on 5/20/2010 @ 6:53pm
Also see the opinion piece from the Seattle Times:

Who are we to judge Arizona?

Not long after Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn announced on his Facebook page that he would approve a city boycott of Arizona because of its new immigration law, someone from the Grand Canyon State posted a pesky little question.

"Didn't Seattle just beat the 'mexican' out of a 'homie' who was just walking home ... ?" the man wrote. "And you think we are bad in AZ ... go wash your hands Seattle."

Man's got a point, don't you think?

Isn't it more than a little awkward for us, via our City Council and mayor, to pick this moment to lecture other places on racial profiling and police behaving badly?

The top Seattle-related video so far this year on YouTube shows our finest kicking an innocent man in the head and threatening to "beat the [expletive] Mexican piss" out of him.

So yes, it is awkward. At least it seemed so Tuesday at City Hall.


seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywest...

by NineInchNachos on 5/20/2010 @ 8:00pm
and how about that cop murdering his inlaws over in gig harbor? is Gig Harbor the place to go if you're a berserk cop? Thinking about that cartoon but is too depressing.

these cartoons at least have empowering drama and attractive lady activists. Maybe combine not-boycott II tacomic with the bear.. and why couldnt Strickland telephone in on the last one like how that lump Spiro telecouncils?

by NineInchNachos on 5/20/2010 @ 8:10pm
Ibsen mentioned there might not be public comment on the reconsidered resolution next meeting... is this true?

by TacomanTime on 5/20/2010 @ 8:59pm
I don't think there will public comment on the same resolution twice unless there are changes. btw: How crazy is it that you need a majority of the entire council to pass something rather than of just those casting votes? Maybe we should create a Tacoma filibuster law just to slow things down more.

I have the feeling that Tuesday will be anticlimactic. They know they have the 5 votes. For Fredo's sake, at least it will be efficient. Hopefully by the time it's passed everyone will realize that this is NOT a boycott of Arizona - unless of course Mr. Mello & Ms. Walker are sneaky and amend the resolution to put it back in.

by Erik on 5/20/2010 @ 9:34pm
Tacomic brainstorming: you could present the new resolution in the general format of Rowland's Portal script document:



Then show strike out versions where the really harsh boycott Arizona language is stricken from the original resolution and replaced with gooey non-offensive touchy freely language.

Just a thought.

by fredo on 5/20/2010 @ 10:15pm
How crazy is it that you need a majority of the entire council to pass something rather than of just those casting votes? TT

Ha ha, theres a copy of robert's rules of order right in front of Mr. Mello, all he has to do is open it and begin reading.

How crazy is it that a resolution would be introduced by a representative body which doesn't have the support of the constituency? Why are we proposing a resolution that Tacoman's don't want? Are Mello and Walker really that egomaniacal?

by fredo on 5/20/2010 @ 10:24pm
" Lauren has a proven track record of strong fiscal and
resource management; she is a skilled listener" Lauren Walker 2007 city council campaign materials

Ironic that our "skilled listener" isn't listening to her constituents. Tacomans have spoken. They don't want the resolution.

by fredo on 5/21/2010 @ 6:52am
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you:

Sexy young socialist girls or salvadoran army ants?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHHfP-a0-2Q&feat...

by NineInchNachos on 5/21/2010 @ 8:00am
fear is the mind killer.

by fredo on 5/21/2010 @ 11:20am
fear is the mind killer- nachos

precisely,

why is the council afraid of AZ lawmaking?
why is the council afraid to poll Tacomans?'
why are visitors afraid to show their travel documents?
why are we afraid to ask people what they're doing here?

by The Jinxmedic on 5/21/2010 @ 11:43am
Why are we afraid to draw M-------d? (Or even write out his name?)

by NineInchNachos on 5/21/2010 @ 11:46am
i'm afraid to misspell it and embarrass myself

by NineInchNachos on 5/21/2010 @ 1:18pm
today on the bus I had a revelation for a second Tacomic. Thanks Mr. Urbanist!

by TacomanTime on 5/21/2010 @ 1:33pm
fredo: Ha ha, theres a copy of robert's rules of order right in front of Mr. Mello, all he has to do is open it and begin reading.

Um, that's my point. Typical procedure, including I think in Robert's Rules, is that only a majority of votes cast is required. Therefore, the City has placed a more stringent threshold on what is required to pass something. I had no idea. Of course how often is a city vote not unanimous, let alone split down the middle?

(Whether or not Mr. Mello had a copy of RR or worked with other legislative bodies would not have helped him here. More importantly, did he look at the Charter or Code or wherever this nugget is hidden?)

by fredo on 5/21/2010 @ 11:17pm
The city attorney Elizabeth Pauli was watching the entire proceeding. If Mr. Mello didn't know what he was doing, and by all appearances this was the case, all he had to do was ask her for some advice.

The council members have all had a minimum of 3 months on the job. That's long enough to familiarize themselves with the process. Tuesday night's session wasn't "pretend you're an intern" day.

by Mark Monlux on 5/23/2010 @ 11:56am
Mmm. Bacon.

by NineInchNachos on 5/24/2010 @ 3:14pm
blog.thenewstribune.com/opinion/2010/05/...

by NineInchNachos on 7/15/2010 @ 11:17am
"A new article by Harper's Magazine Washington editor Ken Silverstein argues that Arizona has become a laboratory not just for immigration policy, but a broad range of issues. It's a place, he writes, where the Tea Party is arguably the ruling party, and should the Republicans retake nationwide power, "the country might start to resemble the right-wing desert that Arizona has become."

www.democracynow.org/2010/7/15/tea_party...

by NineInchNachos on 10/28/2010 @ 8:11am
INTENSE SCUM-BAGGERY ALERT! thank god for awesome people like Star, Marilyn Strickland, Jake Fey, Ryan Mello standing up to these assholes. Now as David Boe suggested can't we do something about the festering cancer called NWDC out on our Tacoma tideflats ?

www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st...

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 2:02pm
"BaronessHeather: You can't push Nazi Evil Death Panel Terrorist Hitler 2nd Amendment Reload Socialist Communist language & be shocked when violence happens. (34 minutes ago from TweetDeck, retweeted by frinklin and 3 others)"

How many elected officials have to be murdered before people wake up to the reality that the TEA party is totally fucking nuts?

by NineInchNachos on 11/7/2011 @ 8:27am
update! www.thenewstribune.com/2011/11/07/189577...

by fredo on 11/7/2011 @ 9:23am


that's too funny RR.Lauren Walker wants everyone in town to boycott Arizona. Just this one caveat: she's not going to PERSONALLY observe any such boycott. This would be a good tacomic for tomorrow. Walker, the boycotter, Manthou the lame ducker, Marty looking at some new golf carts, Lonergan who knows why? 

by jenyum on 11/7/2011 @ 9:30am
I can't get over the fact that Manthou is going.

by NineInchNachos on 11/7/2011 @ 9:33am
Maybe the dude wants to see the Grand Canyon before his ticker goes dick cheney. 

by The Jinxmedic on 11/7/2011 @ 10:44am
I still maintain that this whole boycott was a collossal waste of time, money, and energy- and worse- distracting the council from actual real issues that were happening locally- and still are.
SO WHAT if another state chooses to enforce an existing federal law? How does that affect local anything?
I guess our council doesn''t have to worry about things like
The Luzon (oops, too late...)
Clear Channel back-room deals to avoid lawsuits
WalMart back-room deals to avoid lawsuits
Old City Hall- soon to meet the Luzon's fate
The Winthrop Prium fiasco
Reconcilliation Park overruns
Library closures
Unecessary extravagant city purchases while cutting services and jobs (Nissan Leafs and Hybrid Fusions from Longview? New office furniture?)
There's more....
 
 

by fredo on 11/7/2011 @ 10:52am
don't forget the $50,000 consultant who's going to find out why boys without father figures turn out to be delinquents. Can't wait for the results.

and how about $50,000 for an amber alert "expert" to determine if the city properly administered an amber alert the night of Zina Linnicks kidnapping.

and how about $50,000 for JayRay communications to tell everybody on facebook about the new parking meters downtown? 

apparently, if the consultant charges $50,000 the council is a buyer. 

by JesseHillFan on 11/7/2011 @ 1:44pm
Is somebody here going to twitter the election tomorrow and keep us informed as to the results?

by jenyum on 11/7/2011 @ 2:21pm
Usually I do, but honestly it doesn't involve much effort these days.  The auditor's office is pretty good about releasing right on schedule, on or before 8:15 pm.
Here's the link:

vote.wa.gov/results/20111108/pierce/

Reload around 8pm tomorrow night.

by JesseHillFan on 11/7/2011 @ 3:16pm
Thanks but I also like the personal touch especially with dismayed or positive reactions as to the results.Plus I like to see RR's (NiN's) Political cartoons for laughs.

by NineInchNachos on 12/16/2011 @ 11:57am
ryan mello was right damn you! www.npr.org/2011/12/16/143820314/doj-pro...

by NineInchNachos on 12/18/2011 @ 7:39pm
ha ha ha

Life imitates art