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Stand Your Ground National Rifle Association (NRA) Logo + Brand Standards Updated!

A modern NRA logo to reflect current political NRA values
posted Apr 17, 2012
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Let us face the facts, the old NRA (National Rifle Association) logo was in shocking need of an update. They got rid of the olive branch awhile back, yet we've taken the logo into the reality of the now.  Dual glocks with extended magazine clips... brass cartridges flying around... pantywaist bald-eagle head has been replaced with a terrifying skeksis head.  The shield under the scramble has been replaced with a heap of dead children bleeding out from various sucking gunshot wounds. STAND YOUR GROUND NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION! Surely, after all these dead children in the news, the government is coming to take our guns away!  You should preemptive strike with a fresh Eddie "@#$!-Face" Eagle campaign.  Michael Bay is revamping the Ninja Turtles to be from outerspace, maybe you can do the same thing with Eddie Eagle?



Maybe also an Eddie Eagle anti-suicide via gun special too.  We'll see what our friend Mark Lindquist has to say about it on KBTC.  Stay Tuned! 

previously on the Tacomic: 
previously on the Tacomic Stand Your Ground series: 

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 12:57am
from the olympian... 

On average, one child dies from an accidental firearm shooting each year, according to a review of recent state Department of Health statistics. But look what’s happened in less than a month, an eerie affirmation that bad things happen in bunches of three: 

• On Feb. 22, a loaded handgun brought to a Bremerton elementary school in a student’s backpack accidentally discharged, gravely wounding an 8-year-old girl. The 9-year-old boy’s mother and boyfriend have been charged with third-degree assault for leaving the handgun unsecured. While the assault charge is a bit of a legal gamble, the case would clearly constitute reckless endangerment under the proposed legislation. 

• On March 10, a 7-year-old girl in a van in Stanwood was shot by her younger brother with a handgun left unattended by the children’s father, a Marysville police officer. The girl died the next day. 

• On March 14, a 3-year-old boy shot himself to death with a loaded handgun he pulled from under the seat of his mother’s boyfriend’s car while parked at a gas station near the Tacoma Mall. Both adults were outside of the vehicle at the time.

MEANWHILE! www.npr.org/2012/04/16/150710498/nra-get...

perhaps they could re-animate all the people killed by guns via zombie target ? 

by Erik on 4/17/2012 @ 1:17am


Nice...but too subtle.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 1:19am
National shot across the bow or something.

by L.S.Erhardt on 4/17/2012 @ 7:06am
Simple but radical idea:

Require people to pass a WSP-approved gun safety course before they can even apply for a license. Then to maintain your license, you have to re-take and pass the course annually. And that includes military members if they want any kind of firearm off base.



by Jesse on 4/17/2012 @ 7:46am
Aren't handguns for the sole purpose of concealing a weapon so you can have the "opportunity" to kill another human?

Rifles are for hunting animals.  Handgun are for hunting humans.  No?

by captiveyak on 4/17/2012 @ 7:52am
Gun safety advocates should take a cue from anti-abortion activists, much like Mr. Anderson has done here. Perhaps we could get our own version of ALEC and conspire to pass laws in all fifty states forcing gun purchasers to watch videos of children "misusing" weapons. Also, photos of dead kids should probably hang on the walls of all gun shops.
For once, I agree with gun rights supporters. The problem is not necessarily "guns" themselves - the problem is that a lot of gun owners are stupid, awful, irresponsible people. And i don't know how anyone can stand between an idiot and self-destruction. But for god's sake, it's not fair that their irresponsibility should kill their kids.

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 8:01am
Maybe if we actually did something about crime in this country, people wouldn't feel so afraid on the streets and in their homes.


Re-hashing this same old tired argument accomplishes nothing, and only increases the polarization of those on either side- therefore, you have contributed to the lack of a solution. Great job.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 8:07am
+1 sell a gun inside a box covered in pictures of dead babies and daffodil princesses.   and create a Gun tax!   

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 8:11am
maybe if people got off their lumpy butts and OCCUPIED public spaces, they wouldn't hide inside watching TEEVEE frightening themselves into needing something they don't need.  
www.wbur.org/npr/150586667/americans-do-...

Guns are expensive.  Save that money for a bicycle ! 

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 8:25am
we're all looking for answers but a gun is just a tool, and answers to a hammer all look like nails... or something.   
don't retreat, RELOAD! 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 8:25am
Here is an example why people are scared:
seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews...


As the economy continues to tumble, you can expect a whole lot more home invasions. You might ask, what did we do to protect ourselves? It's very simple- we moved to a really bad neighborhood and own NOTHING of value. When meth-addled home invaders break into our broken-down house with holes n the roof, they take one look around, and leave us stuff.
 
Now stop being an idiot. Did you know that Multicare is getting ready to knock down another historic church along Wright Park? First Congregational (and its mammoth pipe organ) will be the next to be razed- it probably has less than six months left.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 8:29am
stand your ground against multicare! 

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 8:39am
tell us what you know sir!

by troysworktable on 4/17/2012 @ 8:47am
The gun clips across the word "association" made me have to glance at it twice.  I originally thought you had changed it to "assassination."

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 8:48am
sorry NRA,  people aren't scared of you enough I guess.  
www.thenewstribune.com/2012/04/17/211051...



by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 8:49am
@Troy   now that woulda been clever!! 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:01am
Some funny comments on the Seattle Times article:

 
"Good thing that it was just a berserk neighbor and not a fire. They would have died in the bedroom if a fire had been at the bedroom door and no amount of bullets would have been able to save them

So...........what's your point? Don't shoot at a fire?

In the interest of public safety, you should probably mention that it ALSO isn't effective to shoot at earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados, hurricanes, meteors, or rogue waves."


 
Bwahahaha!

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 9:05am
the couple could have shot the unarmed man's propane tank by accident (or on purpose?).  those things don't react too kindly to bullets.   ONE PING ONLY! 

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 9:07am
Xerxes had the sea whipped in punishment. NRA could make targets depicting earthquakes and meteors. Write that idea down!

by cisserosmiley on 4/17/2012 @ 9:10am
www.facebook.com/JusticeForCisco

Stop the violence!

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:12am
Unless First Congregational gets a tenant (or tenants) to replace the AA offices that moved out of their education building, the church is toast. The congregation will be forced to sell to Multicare (who already offered the tax assessed value to purchase the property), who will raze it, and make yet another surface-level parking lot.
HOWEVER- if there was strong community support, I would offer to move my Anglican community to FCC to save the building. By community support, that would mean we would require an Average Sunday Attendance (ASA) of AT LEAST 150 fully-tithing congregants just to support the maintenance of the building- a figure that does not take into account a modest stipend for a full-time rector (either myself or a colleague). Lip service doesn't work for this- this would require commitment, and money. (The city provides no historic preservation funds to churches.)

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 9:15am
breaking!  www.exit133.com/6769/tacoma-gang-assessm...

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:18am
Interesting how the general decline of society, increase in random violent crime, and lack of corporate responsibility correspond with a decrease in traditional church-going.





by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 9:19am
bring back polygamy ! just say NO to parking lots!

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:20am
And by "traditional church going", I am NOT referring to modern evangelical charismatic mega-churches and televangelist "cults of personality". I am referring to traditional neighborhood churches run by modest clergy who reinvested in their communities.

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:22am
We, as a culture, have lost our sense of community.

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:25am
"No sense of community" = "Hopelessness"

Wise man once say: "Individual unique snowflakes quickly melt. Accumulated snow on rooftops can bring down Wal-Marts."
www.advfn.com/nyse/StockNews.asp?stockne...

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:26am
(That's an analogy, by the way.)

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 9:28am
I too blame the mega churches!   Great input Mr. Jinxmedic !

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 9:29am
what would it take to make CLAW into a religion on paper? 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:36am
Ask Mr. Monlux about that. He has all of the 501c3 paperwork, right?
 

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 9:41am
new takhoman! 
A spate of drive-by shootings flare in Tacoma’s HilltopFour drive-bys target one 6th Avenue houseWhat follows is a narrative of the incidents as reported by stringer253.As reported on April 11. Tacoma Police responded to a total of four calls of drive-by shootings in the 1500 block of 6th Avenue. The first call came in about 3 a.m. and the last around 12 p.m.  While police were talking with victims and witnesses in front of the house the suspect again drove by and unloaded 17 rounds into the upper level of the duplex. Police gave chase, but lost the suspect.The residents living in the lower level of the duplex who had just moved in two days prior said they were getting their money back and moving out that day. The family packed up some belongings, their three children, and left the residence. Around 1 p.m. TPD Swat converged on a home at 913 South Sheridan where they surrounded the house for two hours. When Swat finally made entry they found the house empty. The search is still on for the suspects.As reported on April 11. Around 10:30 a.m. Tacoma police responded to a call of multiple shots fired at the corner of South Sprague Avenue and South 10th Street. According to a US postal service carrier, who witnessed the shooting, several black males in a white sedan fired shots at a green sedan parked at the SW corner of Sprague and 10th Street. The green sedan then fled North on Sprague, West on South 8th and then South on Ferry Street. The men in the white sedan pursued the green sedan firing multiple shots while on South Ferry Street. It is unknown if the man in the green sedan was hit by gun fire.

Video of police activity after the shootings can be seen Here and Here.Hill Top Action Coalition leader and TPD Sector One Volunteer Jeanie Peterson responds to the drive-bys.“There is nothing to be exceptionally alarmed about, but because we've known worse years I wanted you to know that this might be something for us to keep our eyes and ears open. We can only prevent what we notice, and we can only prevent an escalation if we notice strange behavior at this point before it spills over to our area.Please note that what I am going to tell you about all happened on Sprague Avenue, which could mean it will stay on Sprague Avenue, but if we get lax, it could come up 12th to Ridgewood and then to Grant and beyond, or come up 15th with the same result. Make sure that if you see something suspicious that you call the Non Emergency number. If you see someone who doesn't look like they belong, watch them for a minute or two before you go into your house. Criminals notice when we notice, and they avoid areas where neighbors notice what is going on. We've succeeded and maintained our peaceful neighborhood by keeping aware. I never send this information out to scare people or to make you think Hilltop is not safe, but to let you know what is happening so you can be aware to look for it. Things happen like this in every neighborhood on the Hilltop we try to let you know what to look for.But, keeping this in mind, know that there were three shootings this week, one near 12th and Sprague, one at 15th and Sprague (added to the assault at the Ukrainian church near 15th and Sprague), and the 4 drive-bys at the house on the 1500 block of 6th Avenue. That is tied to a house that's probably involved in crime itself. We haven't had anything like this for years.I am so proud, to tell you that this week we went to a meeting attended by Maria Cantwell, Norm Dicks and State, County and City officials and what a delight when it was announce that our area is THE SAFEST PLACE IN TACOMA. A far cry from (the) stories of yesteryear.”Jeannie Peterson can be contacted at 253-590-8747 or hac@harbornet.comTo comment Click Here



by troysworktable on 4/17/2012 @ 9:41am
The Jinxmedic: even many of the megachurches now realize they lost a sense of community along the way.  Large "national" megachurches such as Willow Creek are emphasizing going smaller.  Smaller groups, community focus, more intimate and vulnerable relationships, service to those less fortunate.

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:42am
Regarding churches: As you know, I belong to a specific denomination and must answer to the Diocesan Bishop of my jurisdiction. If I were to pursue building a congregation in Tacoma proper (let's say, oh, in the FCC building for instance), the new congregation would of course have to comply with the canons and laws of my ecclesiastical jurisdiction. So, anyone up for Traditional Anglican services?

 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:45am
Troy- exactly right. This is the very thing that we would bring to the table, and we would never want to get much bigger than 200 congregants for that very reason. (such a number would support a church solely through tithing- any larger, and and you start to lose the conection to individuals).

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 9:46am
do those Wright Park churches have any crypts or holy relics ? 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 9:47am
Regarding CLAW, First Congregational could easily provide a permanent meeting room in the educational building for a small rent- and with a few such tenants, Multicare might never get the building...

by troysworktable on 4/17/2012 @ 9:55am
The Jinxmedic: I work for, and attend, a Lutheran congregation of 1,100.  We had to do the same thing.  We had to start emphasizing small groups and service.  The church built a food bank and community center in order to shift focus from itself to those in need.

An ASA of 400 (split between) two services of traditional/contemporary Lutheran liturgy (or what is known as "blended worship") tries to navigate between retaining large pieces of the Western rite and keeping people engaged through a mix of hymns (traditional, contemporary, ethnic music).  It's hard work to keep people here unless they have something to hold onto.  Faith alone should be it, but it isn't.  Relationship and smaller community is the answer.  Focusing on relationship and discipleship, going deeper rather than broader, has actually started to shrink our numbers, but driven people closer to one another.



by troysworktable on 4/17/2012 @ 9:59am
In a Facebook world, we need to occasionally interact with actual faces.  That's why Feed>>Tacoma related activities that move from the comments pages and "spill out" into the "real world" are important—Chalk Off, C.L.A.W. events, Social Media Club Tacoma, book clubs at King's Books, food/wine tastings at local shops such as Stink, et cetera.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 10:02am
Really enjoying the Troy/Jinx convo. 
maybe Feed>>Tacoma needs a meat-space community center! 

by cisserosmiley on 4/17/2012 @ 10:09am
Can feed tacoma be a church?

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 10:17am
Well said, Troy. I am in full and complete agreement with you. When the Diocese decides to open our Pierce County parish, we will also be looking at two Sunday services- both a traditional liturgical service (mine) and a contemporary service (my colleague). Granted, the Diocese is currently looking more in the Parkland/South Hill/ Puyallup Reservation/East Side area (so to not conflict with Old Saint Peter's in Old Town)- but we could make an argument to help support a historic church building...

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 10:50am
Appropriate cartoon:

www.flickr.com/photos/haus-maus/69418609...

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 10:54am


here you go...



great cartoon sir!

by captiveyak on 4/17/2012 @ 11:06am
couldn't someone just nominate the church for addition to the historic register? 
Or has this been done already? 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 11:12am
"Historic Registry" just means that the developer has to file another piece of paper before tearing the structure down.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 11:13am
I like the anti-pedestrian people bridges in that hospital cartoon.  great 'we're pricks' detail

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 11:14am
if only people were afraid of the Historic Preservationists same way they're afraid of the NRA 

by captiveyak on 4/17/2012 @ 11:16am
i think getting it added to the historic registry is probably the first and surest step to protecting it. but i'm energetically unjaded.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 11:17am
maybe these dudes could help? 0345102.netsolhost.com/WordPress/livewor...

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 11:18am
whoa something wonky with the domain name!

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 11:22am
The link works...

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 1:30pm
we're NO. 2!!! 


by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 2:36pm
Well, I was successful in derailing the topic for awhile, anyways.

However- Like you, I too, am tired of dealing with irresponsible idiots. This comic of yours has indeed prompted me to take action- but not necessarily in the direction that you intended. I am therefore going to do something which I have avoided doing for many, many, years.


I am going to join the NRA, just as soon as I scrape the money together for a life membership. To do this, I may have to let another membership lapse, perhaps CLAW...

by L.S.Erhardt on 4/17/2012 @ 2:43pm
I'd argue that being in CLAW is more important than the NRA. The pencil is mightier than the glock, after all.

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 2:52pm
You should have found a firearm that fit the meter better, like Sauer.
 



Seriously- trying to talk safety and enforcement of current laws with this crowd is pointless.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 2:59pm
just get the lifetime member pin from work (with employee discount)    much cheaper! 

store.nwtmint.com/product_details/1498/N...

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 3:05pm
and your derailments are always welcome.  Had no idea Multicare was going to gobble up yet ANOTHER historic church.  A church where the membership will resist the historical registry like the NRA resisting gun lock laws.

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 3:14pm
The derailment is my pleasure, indeed. However, where do you get that the church membership would resist historical registry? If registry causes the developers to do more work by having to file another form before razing historical structures, it's worth it right there.

(We need to make better pins than that...)

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 3:21pm
dig the chatter comrade! 
www.facebook.com/groups/180420208655834/...

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 3:27pm
my theory:  most church leaders are on the take.  $$$$

by L.S.Erhardt on 4/17/2012 @ 3:36pm
@Jinx: I chose a glock because it's like one of 3 guns I know. The other two are a .45 and an AK-47.

I honestly know next to nothing about guns. I know how they work (basically), but that really is about it.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 3:38pm
don't forget my favorite gun. the blunderbuss 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 3:48pm
Thorax- then you know two guns. (.45 is a caliber, not a make.)

Seriously- if we could get enough tenants to take space at First Congregational, we could probably spare it from the wrecking ball- because then they wouldn't have to sell to Multicare. (FCC needs about $3K per month coming in to keep it open.) I am going for a tour of the building next week- I will keep you informed of what kind of office and classroom space is available.

(We apparently can't do anything about Old City Hall, but this one- we can do it.)

by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 3:52pm
RR- here's a good HFW project for you:


www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/18th-cent...


(A most excellent weapon against wascally wabbit home invasions.)

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 4:01pm
I would hack it with a novelty bicycle horn mod

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 4:16pm
i'm a constitutional originalist. I believe people have right to bear arms invented circa 1776


by The Jinxmedic on 4/17/2012 @ 4:48pm
Are you then for removing all constitutional amendments ratified after the original Bill of Rights? That could be an interesting discussion. At least you and I (as property owners) could still vote...

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2012 @ 4:50pm
i'm not saying that at all.  I'm saying smokeless powder is for cowards. 

by JesseHillFan on 4/17/2012 @ 5:35pm
Here is the firearm for you.Now this is a long rifle.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav 


by NineInchNachos on 4/18/2012 @ 8:28am
too many low-caliber intellects with high-caliber guns tacoma.komonews.com/news/crime/740288-1-...

by The Jinxmedic on 4/18/2012 @ 8:35am
I can load the 1895 Webley and the Lee-Enfield with black-powder cartridges. Does that count?

by NineInchNachos on 4/18/2012 @ 9:30am
it would be a good first step. 
meanwhile! 
www.democracynow.org/2012/4/18/alec_drop...

by NineInchNachos on 4/18/2012 @ 11:47am
why I draw. 
twitter.com/#!/RR_Anderson/status/192662...

by The Jinxmedic on 4/18/2012 @ 12:55pm
Someday I might introduce you to the Constitution, but I am afraid it would leave a mark.

by NineInchNachos on 4/18/2012 @ 12:58pm
stay tuned for server cache refresh! www.kbtc.org/page.php?id=701


@jinx Constitutions Matter!

by NineInchNachos on 4/18/2012 @ 2:26pm
were
L I V E !
video.kbtc.org/video/2224183512

by The Jinxmedic on 4/18/2012 @ 2:38pm
"Stack overflow at line 9".

by NineInchNachos on 4/18/2012 @ 11:46pm
vote for me. I know the way! 
www.cartoonmovement.com/cartoon/6117 

by NineInchNachos on 4/19/2012 @ 11:03am
www.kuow.org/program.php?id=26533


by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2012 @ 8:31am
too many goddamn guns www.thenewstribune.com/2012/04/23/211750...

by The Jinxmedic on 4/23/2012 @ 9:15am
You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Give it a rest, already.

by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2012 @ 9:46am
never!

by NineInchNachos on 4/27/2012 @ 8:40am
freaky blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2012...

by The Jinxmedic on 4/27/2012 @ 11:10am
Something that got my attention from your linked article above: "But all such cases aren't easily justified, especially in tragic instances involving mentally ill intruders."  Umm, does that not make them dangerous somehow?

by NineInchNachos on 4/27/2012 @ 11:18am
your house is your castle,  but in america  your house can also be a nazi oven for mentally ill people thanks to the NRA/ALEC lobbying efforts... Zyklon B doesn't kill people.  People kill people.i kid!  i kid!

by NineInchNachos on 4/27/2012 @ 11:27am
my self-defense weapon of choice is the Molotov-cocktail.  I keep one next to my reading light.  Can't wait for some knuckle-head to break into my house.  "WELCOME TO HELL!" i'll scream as the whole living room goes up in flames.  


by NineInchNachos on 4/27/2012 @ 11:29am
seriously guns are expensive and can damage your things if you miss.   What happened to trap doors in the floor?  Bring em back! 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/27/2012 @ 1:48pm
I would certainly support trap doors.

by jenyum on 4/27/2012 @ 4:37pm
Get a shotgun with birdshot.  Unlikely to be fatal but definitely will stop you in your tracks.

I think some stand your ground laws go way too far (the one in FL in particular only requires a perception of danger, I think) but then there's this:


That shooting came two days after a North Bend man killed an intruder who turned out to be drunk and high on cocaine, police say. Joshua Henderson, 30, broke into the home just before midnight April 2 while the man and his girlfriend were sleeping. Henderson's friends had dropped him off in the neighborhood because he was enraged and wanted to fight after a night out drinking. He reportedly banged on the doors of other homes before throwing a propane tank through the homeowner's sliding glass door.

Police said the homeowner barricaded himself and shouted "Leave my house! I have a gun! I don't want to shoot you!" but felt he had no choice. He fired at least three times after Henderson broke open the door to the room where the homeowner and girlfriend were hiding. "They're devastated," Interim King County Sheriff Steve Strachan said, telling reporters the homeowner feels he can never return to the house again.


What were they reasonably expected to do in this situation?

by NineInchNachos on 4/27/2012 @ 4:50pm
shoot the propane tank?

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 11:41am
at least SOMEBODY appreciates my sense of black comedy blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2012...

by L.S.Erhardt on 4/30/2012 @ 2:13pm
Molotov cocktail, eh? Ingesting weapon of choice.

by The Jinxmedic on 4/30/2012 @ 2:18pm
Don't encourage him, Thorax.

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 2:30pm
gas is too expensive for the flame thrower. 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/30/2012 @ 2:40pm
Why does the Washington State Superintendent of Public Instruction hate children?

thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?...

The state legislature had the right idea back in 1996- but successive SPI's continue to ignore the recommendation for mandatory safety orientation in the schools. Is the "political high ground" worth the lives of children? Apparently so: apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/WSLdocs/1997-9...

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 2:45pm
like the Traveller,  I too believe in mandatory gun safety training for kids in public schools.   Just like condoms or STDs  in the wrong hands, guns are dangerous

by The Jinxmedic on 4/30/2012 @ 3:04pm

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 3:08pm
I refudiate the innuendo that I wear thongs. 

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 3:10pm
oh.  Flip fop eh?   A mandatory public school initiative is not the same thing as a phony-baloney eagle mascot sponsored by an evil conservative organization. 

by The Jinxmedic on 4/30/2012 @ 3:24pm
Read the resolution.

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 3:33pm
yes.  keep eddie away from kids...  "stop, don't touch" might work in the santorum family to educate about masturbation...  But I say, Teach kids what they really need to know about guns.   how they work, how to take them apart, melt them down, render them inert forever! 


by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 3:37pm
Eddie the Eagle might help gun owners sleep better at night... bottling up the guilt, but there has got to be a better way.  A better Bird Mascot, for a better tomorrow with less bullet holes.  Good bye Eddie,  your time is over.   It's the year of the OWL 

Frost Park Sidewalk Chalk

by JesseHillFan on 4/30/2012 @ 3:38pm
No you don't want Zyclon B you want something far far more efficient and deadly like an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor such as VX,Tabun,Soman or Sarin.Sarin is actually relatively easy to synthesize.It was invented by a German Chemist in 1938 named Dr. Gerhard Schrader.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schrader 

Sarin stands for the nicknames of individuals responsible for it's development and production such asSchrader,Otto Ambros,Rudringer and Van der Linde
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin 

If opposed I recommend Sarin as it's also against International Law,dirty pool and the opposing enemy will likely suffer utter destruction if they are caught unaware.
Dichlorethylsulfide (termed Mustard Gas) is another dirty underhanded weapon that's easily made.Both in combination though would be just plain mean,notorious and absolutely underhanded.Anyway just kidding.
It will drop people like a sprayed can of RAID will drop flies.A few Micrograms (which is practically a infinitesimal amount of absorption will kill an adult male human.The NAZI's actually had huge stockpiles of Tabun and some stockpiles of Sarin but never used these weapons of mass destruction against the Allied forces during WW2.They could have easily destroyed all the Soviet Forces if they were used.Why didn't the Germans ever use it to stop the Soviet advances and wipe out the Soviets off the face of the earth?I'll tell you it was a Führer conference in 1943 and the funny guy with the toothbrush mustache asked his Chemical expert Ambros why shouldn't they unleash this (Tabun) against the advancing Soviets to destroy them with this secret super weapon that only Germany had? Ambros replied that he noticed the precursor chemicals used in this synthesis were missing from the American Merck (chemical) Reference Index Book so they too must have this weapon in his opinion (Ambros was actually wrong) .Mr. Hitler at that point realized that if the western allies had that super weapon they would retaliate in kind against Germany from the air so he essentially gave up on using the Tabun secret super weapon.What was little known was that the precursor chemicals missing from the Merck index were missing not because the western allies also had these weapons but rather some of the precursors were used for another secret which was actually meant as a harmless product insecticide known as DDT.Hitler could have defeated the Soviet Union turned his forces against the west and might have won the war but for this blunder in history.After the war British forces captured German nerve gas shells,bombs and even small arms bullets and sent some to Porton Down which was Britain's Biological and Chemical warfare research establishment.The British (both Porton as well as MI6 ) were absolutely stunned and shacking by the discovery of the Germans weapons and said it was one of the few times that they were caught off guard with their pants down. 

by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 3:45pm
I am pleased with the weirdness this thread has instilled. 

by low bar on 4/30/2012 @ 5:02pm
USA has like 90 guns per 100 people. Highest in the world. Its like a cold war. Everyone has one so pretty much no one uses them. Wonder what the statistics are in other countries who have fewer guns per person yet gun use in crimes is somehow higher. I think for being the highest in the world it seems to have some sort of pacification effect. Like the threat of retribution is always there so scum are less likely to bother you on the street. Go to the UK and walk around, you'll get spat on and bullied just walking down the street. Some of those limey fracks should come here and try that $hit. 


by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 5:15pm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Eagle#Critic...


by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2012 @ 5:18pm
in Downtown Tacoma nobody worth spitting on is on the street past 5 pm. 
if only we had UK's problems...  STREET LIFE!!! 

by low bar on 4/30/2012 @ 6:30pm
we'll never have to worry about street scum here because anyone not working here goes straight from being a wannabe gangster to being homeless. the gangsters in the UK can still get healthcare, wellfare and subsidized higher education. Not that they are motivated enough to use the last one. 


by NineInchNachos on 5/23/2012 @ 8:44am
nice.  
www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/marys...

www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/05/22/2532...

www.komonews.com/news/local/-Marysville-...


what's the area code for Marysville? 

by The Jinxmedic on 5/23/2012 @ 9:03am
425

by ChrisTopher on 5/23/2012 @ 8:20pm
Tacomic fanart

by ChrisTopher on 5/23/2012 @ 8:50pm
You can find a larger version of the Skeksis here: www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=33364840... and here: chris-tirri.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d51...

by NineInchNachos on 5/24/2012 @ 8:11am
amazing detail!  Look at those feathers..  I believe this is a superior representation of an organization dedicated to the preservation of the arms industry.     You are  a true patriot sir!

by NineInchNachos on 6/1/2012 @ 2:54pm
dude.  not cool. 
www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1...

by NineInchNachos on 7/20/2012 @ 8:41am
crazy people should not have access to guns. 

www.thenewstribune.com/2012/07/20/222092...

Whatever happened to that ban on assault rifles ?



by The Jinxmedic on 7/20/2012 @ 2:16pm
I want a ban on crazy people. Lock them up.

by low bar on 7/20/2012 @ 2:58pm
"there were bullet casings falling on my head": welcome to the sandbox america

semi auto is the only reason only 15 got hit and not 50

by NineInchNachos on 7/20/2012 @ 3:21pm
talk about a movie spoiler


by low bar on 7/20/2012 @ 4:17pm
columbine happened. and we stopped talking about jobs. so what, crazies with guns are going to meltdown. can we get back to talking about jobs? btw, every company than ran their ads around the news of the aurora shooting will never get any business from me.

spoiler alert: life goes on and we still are in the same economic mess as we were after every god damn mas cal shooting in resent history. lets talk about jobs, not gun rights. thank you.

by NineInchNachos on 7/20/2012 @ 6:29pm
new jobs:  TSA screeners for movie theaters and special department of homeland security licensed psychological evaluation counselors on staff wherever guns are sold? 


by low bar on 7/20/2012 @ 6:32pm
was thinking more along the line of psychological evals of tax lawyers but ok. this mas cal stuff is boring. rather watch that fing dingbat bachmann running scared on the hill:)

by NineInchNachos on 7/20/2012 @ 7:28pm
seconded!



by NineInchNachos on 7/23/2012 @ 8:12am
shooter left a phone message about membership to a near by gunshop... when the gunshop owner called back he got a voice mail answering machine message that was VERY WEIRD AND DISTURBING the gunshop owner decided to direct his staff to deny membership to this person. 

www.npr.org/2012/07/23/157217094/week-ah...

go internet!

www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st...

by NineInchNachos on 7/23/2012 @ 8:20am
support! www.facebook.com/bradycampaign


by The Jinxmedic on 7/24/2012 @ 5:56am
Have you ever noticed that all of these mass shootings occur in official gun-free zones?  Gun control laws work really good, don't they?

You can't put the genie back in the bottle- but it sure takes the discussion off the economy now, doesn't it?

by NineInchNachos on 7/24/2012 @ 8:47am
crazy people should not have guns.

by JesseHillFan on 7/24/2012 @ 1:58pm
Copycats.Woah watch out.www.komonews.com/news/national/-3-arrest... 

by The Jinxmedic on 7/25/2012 @ 9:55am
It's already illegal for crazy people to own guns. Here is a list of prohibited persons are ineligible to own firearms under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act:

  • Those convicted of felonies and certain misdemeanors except where state law reinstates rights, or removes disability.

  • Fugitives from justice

  • Unlawful users of certain depressant, narcotic, or stimulant drugs

  • Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution and currently containing a dangerous mental illness.

  • Non-US citizens, unless permanently immigrating into the U.S. or in possession of a hunting license legally issued in the U.S.

  • Illegal Aliens

  • Those who have renounced U.S. citizenship

  • Minors defined as under the age of eighteen for long guns and the age of twenty-one for handguns, with the exception of Vermont, eligible at age sixteen.

  • Persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (an addition)

  • Persons under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for more than one year are ineligible to receive, transport, or ship any firearm or ammunition

           Those who already own firearms would normally be required to relinquish them upon conviction.
 
And let's not forget the Lautenberg Ammendment, which keeps guns out of the hands of those convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence charges (or are under a restraining order):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_...
 
As you can see, there are many laws already covering these situations. What should we do? How about adjucating more crazy people as "mental defectives", then the instant background check will flag them when they attempt to buy a firearm.


by cisserosmiley on 7/25/2012 @ 10:19am
I have to agree, although I'm still mystified by folks who collect weaponry, it's time to blame human beings and look for causes of our society's insecurities.

by NineInchNachos on 7/25/2012 @ 1:53pm
Let's start by enforcing those existing laws and see where the holes are!


by low bar on 7/25/2012 @ 3:46pm
Remember the Virgina Tech shooter? Did you think at that moment of tragedy who the next shooter was going to be? Well, now you know. And now you know that there is another shooter out there getting ready to melt down and there's not a damn thing you have the freedom to do about it because your freedom to be safer in public places is being hampered by fools who think they need AR15's and 30 round mags to hunt game. I mean, if all you needed in that theater, in the smoke and dark, to stop the shooter was like 10mm laser sighted Glock, then having access to anything bigger with more capacity is simply excessive nonsense. And if you're afraid of not having your piece of crap AR and being able to fight back a tyrant government, well, you better hope gunbroker is selling nukes because you'll never beat the US military's arsenal. I don't care how trained you are you don't have an Area 51. Piss off the gov and get zapped by a satellite. 


by The Jinxmedic on 7/25/2012 @ 3:50pm
I can certainly support that position, RR.


Seattle has such a huge problem because they rarely prosecute or refer firearms crimes for some reason. If King County referred their "firearms used in the commission of a felony" cases to the federal prosecutors, minimum sentencing guidelines (ten years, I believe) would apply. Check out the rap sheets on most of the Seattle shooters from this calendar year- many are repeat offenders who would never be on the streets if the existing gun laws were enforced.

by The Jinxmedic on 7/25/2012 @ 3:58pm
Um- Low Bar- the government uses unmanned drones to take out enemies of the state these days. Cheaper and more effective than satellites.

Also, no one has ever said that you need 30 round magazines to hunt game. Most states' game departments limit magazine capacities to 3-5 rounds for hunting. On the other hand, the AR-15 platform has been adapted as a quite capable hunting rifle in various calibers. (not exactly my cup of tea, but don't take my word for it- see what Remington has to say about the subject: www.remington.com/products/firearms/cent... , www.remington.com/product-families/firea... )

by NineInchNachos on 7/25/2012 @ 4:10pm
if you're buying body armor and thousands of rounds of ammo within a certain window surely the NSA can data-mine that back to a specific home address and authorize a preemptive drone strike.  

by NineInchNachos on 7/25/2012 @ 4:14pm
and you don't necessarily have to blow up the entire house.  you can have non-lethal drone strikes for US citizens on US soil.   Maybe the drone just hovers in the window and says something like: "Hey there, we noticed your recent string of purchases and had a few questions about your mental state!"

by cisserosmiley on 7/25/2012 @ 4:34pm
But what if you became alarmed the drone pilot is tyrannical and your purchases were made in preparation of defending your own liberty...if the drone pilot finds out you're screwed and despotism will flourish.

by low bar on 7/25/2012 @ 4:44pm
i don't hunt but I've seen people take down game with a bow. not only are you a fool to buy the craptastic AR platform, you're a fool to hunt game with anything you have to reload. if you don't hunt often enough to be skilled with a bow, you simply aren't a hunter, like me. rambo took out that soviet chopper with a bow. knife and a bow is all you need. and a fishing pole. and obviously a laser sighted glock if you're going into public areas in Colorado. I mean, we have more firepower and weapons then our great grandfathers did and they lived in more lawless an unsettled times. Makes no sense. Or perfect sense if someone is systematically headfucking the American people into thinking they need the firepower on our own soil. Ridiculous. I deployed to Iraq with just a 9mm and a shotgun. 

by NineInchNachos on 7/25/2012 @ 4:46pm
@mr.smiley time to grow up peter pan.

by The Jinxmedic on 7/25/2012 @ 4:49pm
I deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan with just a 9mm that belonged to Uncle Sugar. You have me outgunned, Low Bar.

by cisserosmiley on 7/25/2012 @ 4:51pm
@nachos...that's what people say until the very moment their civil/human/constitutional rights are infringed upon.

by low bar on 7/25/2012 @ 4:51pm
Jinx at least you didn't have to carry around that cumbersome asscrap M16A/M4. jesus..


by NineInchNachos on 7/25/2012 @ 4:51pm
agreed.  the only people who benefit from gun ownership are arms manufacturers... the people who profit from our countries endless wars.   learning to defend yourself with simple household objects will be infinitely more beneficial, faster, safer, and most important cheaper.


by NineInchNachos on 7/25/2012 @ 5:00pm
guns won't help you overthrow a despot.  all you need is love, and the sandworms of truth.

by The Jinxmedic on 7/25/2012 @ 5:09pm
@ low bar- agreed. I prefer my rifles to be made from steel and walnut, not aluminum and plastic- I actually share your opinion about the AR-15 platform.
@ RR- The household objects that I prefer to use for personal defense are designed by John Moses Browning. This also works against sandworms.

by low bar on 7/25/2012 @ 5:50pm
Jinx, agreed the army is better off with muskets. When I got handed the M16A in basic and then was told there was an acronym, you know the sports bullshit, in case of a jam I was like: you mean to tell me that you're giving me a rifle that jams so much you had to invent an acronym and then give me a class on it??

I was like hell no, this is not a military that takes things seriously. I can't believe we are protecting our soil with that piece of crap. If it still bugs me after law school (because I'm sure they'll still be issuing that piece of crap) I'm going to lobby or shame the hell out of DC till they demand a better weapon from Colt. Its not like Colt can't build a quality weapon. They just have to actually put more into their engineering and less into golf, yachts and their kids overblown college tuition prices. 

by NineInchNachos on 7/25/2012 @ 5:59pm
constitution originalist - you have the right to bare arms that were available circa 1776
everything else should be melted into pirate swords.

by cisserosmiley on 7/25/2012 @ 6:04pm
I have always advocated for participating in a well formed militia as a strict requirement for gun ownership.

by JesseHillFan on 7/25/2012 @ 6:26pm
So if we can have arms that were around since 1776 then a cannon would be all right too.That would make a good home defense weapon in case invaders attempted to break down a house door.BOOM

by low bar on 7/25/2012 @ 6:28pm
Mandatory national guard duty in order to earn the 2nd amendment, good idea. If a constitution can't be amended to better serve the people then what the hell are we doing?

Still once everyone is properly educated in a working public education system and when I mean everyone I mean the planet, then we can put away our guns for good. Knowledge is a cure-all. Simple as that.



by NineInchNachos on 7/25/2012 @ 6:42pm
all good ideas
from militia to door cannon to mandatory national guard service.  
make it so!

by The Jinxmedic on 7/26/2012 @ 6:59am
That's what the State Guard is for. All-volunteer, and cannot be federalized or otherwise deployed out-of-state.
washingtonguard.org/wsg/

However, let's take it one step further- said guard or active/reserve military service should also be required in order to vote or hold office.

by cisserosmiley on 7/26/2012 @ 7:13am
Now that is too far, WE do have certain unalienable rights...but a service requirement like Germany or Israel would be great for young people.

by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 8:20am
starship troopers is just a book bro.


by The Jinxmedic on 7/26/2012 @ 8:45am
Ha. You took the bait.

"Unalienable rights"? You mean like the second amendment?
Here's how it works- once you want to go around curtailing rights, you had better look at all of them. If you want to restrict firearms ownership to only those in the military, then it should only follow that all full constitutional rights and indeed, full citizenship, should only apply to those who have sworn to defend the constitution in the national service. Seeing how only about 20% of the members of the 112th congress have served in the military, the remaining 80% have no business deciding on issues of national interest. Likewise, in the general population, less than 10% has served. Therefore, the remaining 90% have no business voting on national issues.

It's time for "reasonable restrictions" on fully-franchised citizenship to help curtail the current epidemic of irresponsible voters.

by The Jinxmedic on 7/26/2012 @ 8:46am
That means that Low Bar would be able to vote, and RR wouldn't.
Bwahahahahahahhaha!

by cisserosmiley on 7/26/2012 @ 9:16am
Unalienable Rights!!! The 2nd, which requires participation in a "well formed militia" which is the opposite of "military" service, is one of the least served AM's. The supreme court has held that NO militia participation is required in the modern state and simple protection of home and life is proportional to militia parading (previous requirement under constitution). "military" is actually "illegal" in 1791 when bill of rights was written.

by The Jinxmedic on 7/26/2012 @ 9:46am
Exactly right. See how easy that is?

by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 10:29am
anyway... back to reality... let's think of ways to keep guns out of the hands of homicidal maniacs! 


by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 10:32am
take it away Mr. President!



PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA:
A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of
soldiers, not in the hands of criminals, that they belong on the
battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the
majority of gun owners would agree that we should do everything possible
to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we
should check someone’s criminal record before they can check out a gun
seller, that a mentally unbalanced individual should not be able to get
his hands on a gun so easily. These steps shouldn’t be controversial;
they should be common sense.
www.democracynow.org/2012/7/26/glock_aut...



by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 10:34am
PAUL BARRETT:
I mean, I think it was tremendously significant that, immediately after
this most recent massacre, the president’s chief spokesman, when asked
about what the president intended to do, the very first words out of his
mouth, literally, were "We intend to protect Second Amendment rights."
In other words, it was kind of a non sequitur. People said, you
know, "Do we need to restrict guns further?" And he said, "We want to
protect Second Amendment rights." That shows—for better or for worse,
whatever your partisan views on this are, that shows how the gun rights
side of this debate has completely captured the issue.
And everything the president just said was basically a reiteration of
existing law. AK-47s shouldn’t be in the hands of criminals. Well,
under existing law, no guns—a .22 caliber target pistol can’t be in the
hands of a fugitive or a criminal. So, if you actually listened to what
the president was saying, he was saying it’s common sense that the
existing laws should be enforced. Well, that’s like saying, you know,
the sun is going to come up tomorrow morning. I mean, it’s saying
nothing.


by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 10:36am
AMY GOODMAN:
Finally, what do you think would create the kind of—you would think a
massacre would, but as you looked at the history of the kind of gun
control laws that we even have today, what is the engine that breaks
through, breaks through this most powerful lobby of the National Rifle
Association?
PAUL BARRETT: Yeah, see, I tend to view the issue in a slightly different way, not so much the gun control movement versus the NRA.
I think you have just to come at it from a completely different angle.
The different angle has to be crime control, not focusing on guns, not
allowing the discussion to be immediately hijacked and sent off into a
Second Amendment debate, but instead look at communities where crime has
been reduced, gun crime included. Ask what has been done in those
communities, and try to imitate that across the country. In a lot of big
cities, crime has been reduced. We have to break down what has happened
there, not talk about the Second Amendment, and instead say, "What have
the police, what have the social workers, what have the politicians in
those cities done?" and imitate it. New York has had some success in
reducing the crime rate over the last 25 years. What’s happened here?
How can it be replicated?


by The Jinxmedic on 7/26/2012 @ 10:39am
"PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA:
A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of
soldiers..."

The Commander-in-Chief is aware that the AK-47 is a Soviet weapon, right? What exactly is he saying here? (insert your own conspiracy theory.)

by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 10:41am
aren't they cheaper?  Our president is budget focused!

by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 10:44am
we use soviet spacecraft en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_%28spacecraf...

why not their dumb guns too?

tools of a superpower!



by cisserosmiley on 7/26/2012 @ 11:03am
www.nodeju.com/18522/human-skin-can-stop...
Bullets will soon be obsolete, WE should legislate future weapons so this debate does not replay with laser guns or something similar.

by The Jinxmedic on 7/26/2012 @ 11:05am
There's the problem right there. The US is a no longer first-world nation.
 
Our nation's manned access to space was cancelled by the president: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Orion


Thank goodness we have Mr. Musk around to pick up where our government fails: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_spacecraft

by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 11:15am
first world nations have single payer healthcare.

by The Jinxmedic on 7/26/2012 @ 11:24am
I am not disagreeing with you there.

by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 1:21pm
Stephen Pidgeon — The Third Candidate: Reagan Dunn
isn't the only Republican running for attorney general. Stephen Pidgeon
joins the program to discuss his candidacy, and we delve into his
advocacy for religious freedom and against same–sex marriage.

(rr commentary, this guy probably shouldn't own a gun)

www.kuow.org/program.php?id=27450



by low bar on 7/26/2012 @ 2:33pm
The prez can't say AR15 because it'll hurt jobs. So he has to put the blame on the reds. Which is kind of a bummer since the AK is superior. He could kill two bird by saying we just need better weapons. Like the kind that can be shut off with some kind of remote controlled locking mechanism. If Onstar can open my GMC from 500 hundred miles away then an AR15 can be locked just the same. 

by NineInchNachos on 7/26/2012 @ 2:35pm
the president is a fan of goldeneye 


by The Jinxmedic on 7/26/2012 @ 3:28pm
Such violence.

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 8:13am
in conclusion... 

our current system blows. 
www.npr.org/2012/08/15/158758286/the-law...


does it suck by design because of the NRA? 





by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 8:53am
Get the records into the national database, and the instant check works. If the records are not shared, the NICS cannot work as designed. Only 22 states (2007 information) share mental health information to the NICS database. Case in point, the Virginia Tech shooter: crime.about.com/od/guns/a/handgun_check....

However, the instant check system does work:
"Since February 29, 1994, when the Brady Act went into effect, through December 31, 2003, more than 53 million applications were checked and approximately 1,102,000 were blocked.
During 2003 half of the denials were made by state and local agencies and half by the FBI.
From 1999 through 2003, 58 percent of the denials by state and local agencies were for the applicant's felony conviction or indictment, 13 percent for a domestic violence misdemeanor conviction or restraining order, and the remainder for other reasons."
Full article: usgovinfo.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/brad...

By the way, one of your heroes, Ted Rall, sums it up quite nicely:
"I am a pro-gun leftie. Here’s why: 60 million Americans own 200 million firearms. Who are they? Right-wingers, mostly. There are about 25 percent more gun-owning Republicans than gun-owning Democrats. Some of these conservatives send me death threats. As long as they’re are allowed to buy and possess guns, I’ll be damned if I let the government pass a law that stops me—from defending myself if one of them comes after me. - I trust me. You, not so much."
I rarely agree with Rall, but his line in the above excerpt  "As long as they’re are allowed to buy and possess guns, I’ll be damned if I let the government pass a law that stops me—from defending myself if one of them comes after me." pretty much explains it all.
Full article: www.rall.com/rallblog/2012/08/10/syndica...
 
I support the instant check system.
And also, there is no "gun show loophole" in Washington state. If you want to by a gun at the Puyallup, Monroe, or Enumclaw gun show, you have to be a member of the sponsoring organization, the Washington Arms Collectors (WAC). All WAC members must pass the state background check before being allowed membership. Any violation of WAC safety rules, or any conviction subject to being a "denied person" under federal law, and bingo- your membership is revoked.

by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 8:55am
(It would be nice if my italics, boldface, and spacing actually made it into the post...)

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 9:04am
sane, non-violent people who are educated about securing guns around little ones do have a right to own guns.    

what can we do better in other cases?



by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 9:17am
Actually have a mental health system that works. Require that all states report mental adjucations into the NICS. Ban gun shows in states that do not have a background check requirement for membership.

A step further - Limit private party sales or transfers to only those persons 'known' to the seller (i.e. family members, friends, known associates- with seller to retain a complete bill of sale or transfer in personal records.) This would mean no "Craig's List" sales. Obviously, no "Straw Purchase" sales, either (which are already illegal, actually).

by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 9:47am
I'm with NIN with either going back to pirate swords and muskets or smoke wagons and lever actions..You can't be a man and use your fists? Well then you aren't man enough to own anything, at least anything engineered post WW1. Problem solved.

by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 10:15am
Yeah, whatever. This is why I rarely post constructive information with links, as it seems to serve no purpose.

 
Personally, I'm good with anything designed prior to December 7th, 1941, which means everything that I carried or trained with in the service would be out for me.

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 10:25am

Actually have a mental health system that works. Require that all states
report mental adjucations into the NICS. Ban gun shows in states that
do not have a background check requirement for membership.

A step
further - Limit private party sales or transfers to only those persons
'known' to the seller (i.e. family members, friends, known associates-
with seller to retain a complete bill of sale or transfer in personal
records.) This would mean no "Craig's List" sales. Obviously, no "Straw
Purchase" sales, either (which are already illegal, actually).


^^^ AWESOME LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN ^^^



by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 10:26am
Still pissed about the italics and boldface?

Its good to be constructive, but I think all modern day weaponry and laws are a bridge to nowhere. We've been trying to keep the bridge from killing people while draining government resources with studies and departments and all kinds of crap that we could just scrap in my opinion. Its been how long that we've been trying to get this bridge to work? I don't know, maybe we should just keep voting for bridges to nowhere like Paul Ryan.

I mean the same reasoning we used to keep the weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of rouge states is the same reasoning we should use to keep semi-automatic mass destruction weapons out of the hands of civilians.

Just outlaw all semi-automatic weapons and ammo hotter then a certain grain. I never cared for any weapon that can jam anyways....





by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 10:33am
THESE ARE GOOD IDEAS COMRADES!  ALL CAPS IS BETTER TOO! 


by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 10:38am
Good luck with that.
I'll stick with my "pre- December 7th, 1941" standard. I volunteer not to own anything designed after that date.

But wait- my 3-shot bolt-action hunting rifle was designed in 1962. (Oops- see how arbitrary dates and restrictions have a way of not working as intended?)

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 10:54am
maybe you can set up a 'fire in a crowded theater'  thought experiment  to pass/fail types of weapons?


by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 10:55am
how many murders before shooter gets tackled...   1 - 5  pass.    15 - 30 fail.   ? 


by cisserosmiley on 8/15/2012 @ 11:01am
every year 70 innocent children die from accidently choking on hot dogs...can't we just shape hot dogs like hamburger patties and save the children that way???

by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 11:15am
I stand with Ted Rall on this one. (I never, ever, thought I would ever say that...)
Control your ineligible people, and you will have done the very most you can possibly do to fix the perceived problem. Weapons bans are an absolute and total waste of time and effort.

by troysworktable on 8/15/2012 @ 11:29am
Absolute bans tend not to work.  Prohibition of alcohol was a failure and was repealed.  Our current "war on drugs" isn't working.

Unless we are willing to go the route of Singapore and make our nation a (benevolent?) police state.



by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 11:34am
^^Like Troy said.^^

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 11:34am
you can design a hotdog to not be a choking hazard.  slice the skin length wise at time of serving..  lives saved!

nobody is talking about an all out ban.



by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 11:35am
improve existing law...  efficiency + optimization yo!

start with the suggestions Jinx made.

by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 11:42am
And so the work continues on the bridges to nowhere....doesn't matter it'll all be over soon. Two more ballsless and brainless two term presidents is going to be the last two hits on the battleship once known as America. If Obama can't get whitey to toe the line, then it's going to be angry mob time. Can't wait....the south will be going down again...one way or another....for the last time. And this is coming from someone who's great grandfather was a general under Lee and saw first hand that might doesn't make right. Civilians having access to the same guns as the military doesn't make right. And a country that doesn't put their trust in government isn't a country. After having served in the military I can tell you no tyranny can spring from the ranks of our power puff military service members. Now if we had a military like China's or North Korea I'd say yeah you're not going to get my Sig 716 in a weapons ban..


by cisserosmiley on 8/15/2012 @ 11:44am
youtu.be/X_GenbOp6j8
 i am a fan of gun control, but the two sides are defined by one another. a third, new "ideology" will need to be developed outside of current legislation -or- advocacy trends.

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 11:53am
no way, Obama is saving all the gangster liberal awesome for his second term!  bring back the wobblies! and bikinis!

by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 12:07pm
Obama is getting played. You think its a mistake they pushed for him to run against two of their idiots? Romney and Ryan? HAHA That's no mistake. That's strategy. 4 more years of GOP filibustering and the country is going to be so disgusted by the lack of DEM leadership that it's going to hire a two term GOP president. You do that two more times and we've reached a thresh hold I'm certain of it. The system is set up to fail. The guns laws are designed for the event of an angry mob day. Its all too complicated. We need simpler laws because at the end of the day we are a simple species. A simple law is civilians don't get access to the same weapons as the military. These laws have been working quite well in post WW2 Europe. But in Europe the gap between the have's and have not's is smaller. The larger gap in the USA creates anger. Anger sells guns. The system is a set up. Open your eyes. The system is too complicated for a simple species. If you can't chew gum and walk at the same time, you have no business owning the same guns as the military. 

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 12:24pm
what if there is a simpler explanation... like what if Romney and Ryan is the best the GOP has to offer? 





by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 12:33pm
I find that hard to believe. The ruling class are well read, well traveled, and have resources going back to the days of the holy roman empire. I highly highly doubt Romney and Ryan are a mistake, unless there are just that many talentless leaders joining the GOP. I don't know. I'm just baffled by the GOP's choices to the point where I'm thinking something is fishy. You can't have two guys running with tin ears like the Romney ticket and it not be a set up. Something is happening elsewhere that the intellectual left is missing because they are clearly having too much fun running against the GOP nominees. The last time the DEMs were having too much fun we ended up with two terms of Bush, two wars, total economic failure and bailouts. Something is up. This campaign against the Romney ticket is too easy and too much fun for the DEMs.

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 1:03pm
Make no mistake, The Conspiracy is real.
is the dark side saving the good stuff for 2016?  probably.

exciting times!





by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 1:27pm
Back to the topic of guns...have you seen the guns on Krystal Ball lately??

That's one 'pink' I'd love to slack off to.



by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 1:40pm
Also the thing that set me off on the conspiracy theory is the performance of RNC Chairman Michael Steele. If that guy isn't a political mole for hire then I don't know....Hominids conspire. Its what we do. No other animal on earths lies its sweet ass off like a human being. And you want to give this species access to high power semi-automatic weapons? I don't think so.

by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 1:55pm
Hmm...   that Sig 716 of yours would be a post December 7th, 1941 piece now, wouldn't it?

by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 2:05pm
@Jinx absolutely. And if a law gets passed banning semi-auto's then I better do what any intelligent anglo american would do and that is to sell the thing before its worthless and buy a double barrel shotgun and a ruger blackhawk. 

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2012 @ 2:22pm
guns. youtu.be/LtyZMRJbLq8


by low bar on 8/15/2012 @ 2:34pm
Maybe we should have a law that only lets women have semi-auto's youtu.be/6e6n1ODDth4

Because they're more likely to need them for home defense and less likely to use them on batman fans....I point towards the fact that no woman has EVER caused a mass cal with a semi-auto in public on american soil

by JesseHillFan on 8/15/2012 @ 2:37pm
If Maurice Clemmons had used a Ford F-350 truck on the Lakewood 4 it would only be a 2nd degree negligent driving accident as in oops I dropped my cell phone and when I went to pick it up I "accidentally" stepped on the accelerator pedal.The Lesson here is if you need to off someone don't use a firearm as your life will be incarcerated.Instead use a big motor vehicle and have an unfortunate "accident".It's just a misdemeanor with a $5,000 fine and one has to of course take a safety class to get your licence back though.Oh and one could be sued in civil court for loss of life though.

by The Jinxmedic on 8/15/2012 @ 2:49pm
Double jeopardy!

by low bar on 8/17/2012 @ 1:20am
Uhhh I might just hang on to my glock 20 if it means this can EVER happen in the USA. Not that I think will ever happen but....maybe letting bubba keep his guns is why its never happened hahahaha  

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/south-...

could you imagine a modern day kentucky coal miner strike ending like this? now a crazy ass mormon stud ranch standoff I can image.....

by The Jinxmedic on 8/17/2012 @ 7:59am
Read the Ted Rall piece.

by low bar on 8/17/2012 @ 3:38pm
I did. It says the public is split on the issue which means no one is smart enough to produce a convincing argument for the majority either way.

When the 2nd was drafted, AK47's didn't exist. You start the appeal there. But then you run into the problem of the government and people of the 18th century bearing somewhat equal firepower. That is now different. You can't bring an AK to a nuclear fight with the GOV any more then you can bring a pen to a gun fight.

Home defense is the major issue. Fighting a tyrant is no longer one. Do I need an AK to defend myself from home invasion? No. Would it be fun? Yes. And that's why semi-autos are popular. Because the average American is so f*cking bored at work that they need a little excitement in their lives. In some way I think what happens with wack jobs like the Virgina Tech Shooter et al is they are so bored and disgusted with their own lives that they want to project that sh*t on others. And in some perverted means of gaining excitement and notoriety, they take advantage of and abuse their constitutional rights. I think you can take guns out of the equation but like someone earlier commented, wack jobs will just find another weapon ie a car. I point to the event in the Netherlands where some wack job drove his car into a crowd during a parade last year.

Me personally I think the pen of a lawyer is far more effective then an AK47. Had Waco fought in court instead of at the compound, I think that group of wack jobs would still be alive to grow old and learn if their way was the best for them over the course of time. Once native Americans found out they could win in court and not with a ghost dance...they started to. If native American's couldn't fight the advance of the tyranny of immigrants in the field back then...then we sure as sh*t can't fight the feds in the field today. The fight will always be won in the courts, with a pen.

by The Jinxmedic on 8/17/2012 @ 3:48pm
Neither did the income tax.

by low bar on 8/17/2012 @ 4:15pm
Income tax didn't exist back when the 2nd was drafted you mean? A lot of sh*t didn't exist. But whatever mistakes we made back then we are still paying for today. But if you look at the raw data it reveals that if we stay the right course with somethings, it'll make the need for other things less and less. I don't believe we should repeal gun laws until we've got more funds for infrastructure jobs like a green energy future proofing plan. Put everyone to work and the guns will gather dust like they did post WW2 up until the 70's when the baby boomer yuppies started f*cking with everything.

by The Jinxmedic on 8/17/2012 @ 4:46pm
I blame the baby boomer yuppies for our current state, as well. A nice future they have handed us, don't you think?

by low bar on 8/17/2012 @ 4:52pm
Total sh*t future. It's like when a good king is followed by a worthless spineless heir. It does the proletariat no good. Never has. Never will. We need strong leadership that doesn't lie.

by NineInchNachos on 8/17/2012 @ 6:47pm
the future's up to you, so what ya gonna do? 


by low bar on 8/17/2012 @ 11:25pm
Buy a Michael Jackson CD?


by NineInchNachos on 8/24/2012 @ 8:32am
stand your ground NRA!

mattbors.com/archives/909.html



by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2012 @ 8:49am
BELIEVE IT OR NOT most white NRA members believe the United Nations (United Nations for crying out loud) will storm their compounds at any minute to spirit their guns away.

www.npr.org/2012/09/19/161029822/smoke-c...

FEAR OF BLACK PRESIDENT = GUN SALES!

in my opinion, if you are dumb enough to believe this you probably are not competent enough to be responsible for a fire arm.



by The Jinxmedic on 9/20/2012 @ 11:52am
Why do you always make this a race thing?
IT'S NOT A RACE THING.

 
It's a rights thing.



(I do believe it was you that said "I prefer the freedom of chaos"...)
 
 

by low bar on 9/20/2012 @ 12:04pm
I don't get how gun sales can surge amongst those already armed. I mean how many freaking guns do you need? Can't we just go back to collecting model trains like normal honkies?

Sheesh. I bought a Glock 20 a long time ago and I've had no need to buy another smoke wagen since then. Unless of course people are buying cheap guns that crap out on them at the range after throwing 1000 rounds down range. I would wager that's probably the case because some people are really cheap. Look at all the business Chinamart gets.



by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2012 @ 12:04pm
prime directive does not apply to your own country


by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2012 @ 12:06pm
show of hands... who here thinks the United Nations is going to take away your guns?   anyone? 


by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2012 @ 12:08pm
I believe the Ice Age will arrive before the UN troops.


by low bar on 9/20/2012 @ 12:08pm
The UN can't even take guns away from a poorly organized band of 3rd world AQ sympathizers...
 


by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2012 @ 12:33pm
agreed.  gun owners need to find other things to be afraid of... the whole UN thing just makes them look stupid.


by The Jinxmedic on 9/20/2012 @ 3:33pm
You will never be able to ban firearms in this country- there are simply too many of them, they don't wear out, and then there is that whole pesky constitutional guarantee thing...


However, ammunition is a consumable item- and one that will eventually be depleted if not replaced. Say, if ammunition manufacturers were tied up producing for government contracts- that could certainly affect civilian supply...
 

by JesseHillFan on 9/20/2012 @ 4:51pm
You can ban firearms and conventional ammunition all you want (It's perfectly O.K. with me).The really smart ones will build their own electromagnetic coil rail projector (launch system)  with supercapacitors having far more power and velocity than any ordinary civilian firearm.Also one can have a lesser silent subsonic one as well good for in the dark remote accurate reaching using any type of delivery package.No spin with fins = more accuracy.Could even have servo motors on the fins.laser designator  etc.Yes genuine supercapacitors from Sandia National Laboratories.Are you insane,felony conviction prohibition,a 3 letter agency assassin,someone into spacecraft propulsion or just like gadgets and tech?Nein it's not an electromagnetic gun (guns are no no things the law hates guns except for themselves it's a electromagnetic coil rail projector or launcher just as an M2 Browning is a machine for remote machining of holes (it's just a machine tool).Like the Versailles treaty banning Germany from possessing long range super guns in the 1920s and 30's nothing stopped Germany from getting into rocketry (a circumvention substitute).Don't break the law just circumvent it.Need to launch large.objects long distances no problem just scale it up.You too can rule the world.

by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2012 @ 8:21pm
keep sticking the 'ban all guns' thing in my mouth.  Not saying that at all.   All i'm saying keep guns away from crazy people.  NRA will never do anything about crazy people and guns because most NRA members are off their rocker. 


by JesseHillFan on 9/21/2012 @ 12:47am
By their actions or inaction's,lack of sanity for a sustainable future or a coherent policy towards national or worldwide survival and lack of sane vision and insight for the 21st century or the survival of future civilization itself the U.S. Government is crazy therefore it should not allowed to possess firearms.

by NineInchNachos on 9/21/2012 @ 7:58am
the ice age is here.  everybody is frozen stiff with fear!


by The Jinxmedic on 9/21/2012 @ 8:26am
Perhaps during the new ice age, there will be better mental health care- and those adjucated as "mental defectives" will be stopped by the instant check as designed...

by NineInchNachos on 9/21/2012 @ 8:28am
step 1 for better mental health care:  remove gun from patient. 


by The Jinxmedic on 9/21/2012 @ 9:49am
That would be a part of that whole "reporting to the national database" thing as currently required by federal law, but one that few states actually comply with.

by low bar on 9/21/2012 @ 6:36pm
In the Army, before you can run around and shoot at bad guys, you have to get qualified. 

If its the norm to ask citizens to run around and get voter registration ID, it should be the norm to ask for citizens to get licensed BEFORE being able to own guns. Like you have to get a license BEFORE you can legally drive. Why? Because a car, like a gun, can cause icky yucky injuries. 

Alas, antiquated assumptions seem to carry more weight. 

But I think there has to be incentives attached to gun law amendments. Like a box of free ammo and a bible to all who can pass a firearm licensing test. They can use the bible as target practice because obviously Christ teachings are falling on ignorant dumb ass deaf ears. 

by The Jinxmedic on 9/24/2012 @ 9:17am
It's that pesky constitution thing. Don't like the "Shall not be infringed" bit? Then petition for a new amendment to the constitution allowing "modification" to the second ammendment. It's pretty simple, really. I mean, if you can make the consumption of alcohol unconstititional, you can pretty much do anything you want. (and remember the only way prohibition could be repealed was by an amendment amending the previous amendment.)

by low bar on 9/24/2012 @ 3:37pm
It's that pesky 6th commandment thing. Don't like the "Shall not kill" bit? Then create an amendment in a constitution allowing a "modification" to the 6th commandment. It's pretty simple really. I mean, if you can make voting rights infringe-able, you can pretty much do anything you want. (and remember the only way voter ID law is going to be repealed is in a court overturning the previous court decision)

In other words. Turn the other cheek and fight in court, not in the street like a trigger happy heathen.



by troysworktable on 9/24/2012 @ 4:12pm
It's that pesky separation of church and state thing...


by The Jinxmedic on 9/24/2012 @ 4:13pm
I think I'm done here, there really is no point to any of this.
 
"Ocryx and Joe" on Wednesdays, people. See you there.

by low bar on 9/24/2012 @ 5:32pm
Here's the deal. (The solution).

Increase police force by 15 - 20% to cope with the increase of populations and that pesky by-product of grossly unemployed populations: crime.

Where to get the money for this in WA with no state tax?

Where is home invasion really occurring? Demographics, neighborhoods.

I don't know about you but I'm tired of my suburbs being the buffer zone for the wealth and government incumbents who block VET jobs bills that go towards creating more jobs/police out of returning vets. I want nation building and security here at home as well as along the borders.

The wealth incumbents want to attack the middle class on all fronts.

Where does the middle class live? In the home invasion zone.

How to make money off that?

Cut taxes on police funding and sell guns.

Why is crime still appealing and worth the risk?

911 response time and lack of visible presence.

How did NYC crime decrease?

Upper middle class pressure on the mayor to have more patrols.

What happened on those patrols? A lot of clashing. Some police brutality.

The occasional innocent getting 40 rounds of lead helping him through his front door.

Where was his front door? In a rich neighborhood?

Is the image beginning to focus on how we need more jobs and not guns?

How do we get more jobs when the GOP blocks the American Jobs Act?

How do we get more jobs when the GOP won't spend on infrastructure?

How do we get more jobs when trickle down from the 80's hasn't worked?

And then on the fucking way to the Castle Rock race track this weekend I see some fucking dumb ass putting up a sign asking why the President is taking the vote away from the military.

All I see is a country where the vote is being and has been taken away BY gun crazy NRA GOP campaign funding ass f*cks.

I've got my guns. No one is going to take them away because the GOP government is after something way more important. My vote.

NOVEMBER BRAVO.  

by low bar on 9/24/2012 @ 6:06pm
Sorry about all the f-bombs. 


by NineInchNachos on 9/25/2012 @ 9:16am
if you care about your family members who are losing their minds, please please get rid of their guns.

slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/...



by JesseHillFan on 9/25/2012 @ 3:17pm
People should defend their property with attack bees instead.Have some nasty mean hornets nests,get a bee protective suit and hook up a solenoid or buzzer next to the nests to agitate them into attack mode.Then hook up your master buzzer attack switch inside your house and put blacklights above your porch and above your garage or any other entry way so when an invader attempts a hostile entry,just push the button and the agitated swarms will go after anything moving nearby (they see in ultraviolet light hence the blacklight.Your attack bees will be an "act of nature" hence they can charge God with the crime of assault.Never admit to your real methodology though.Deny everything.

by NineInchNachos on 10/17/2012 @ 8:11am
i am happy a gun question was asked during the 2nd presidential debate.

bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1540/



by NineInchNachos on 11/9/2012 @ 7:24am
first off lets review election season...  every single candidate the NRA spent their membership millions on had their ass handed to them.  The dominance of the NRA on issues of gun control is a MoFo-ing LIE.  A MYTH.

How about mental illness?  Well over in Arizona a severely mentally ill person was drugged back into normalcy so they could convict him of 7 life terms. GO ARIZONA!  the Federal Judge had some KILLER points in her closing statement.  WTF do we need extended ammo clips anyway?  WHY NRA?  Answer: mass murder the UN who want to take our guns* (*you have to be insane to believe this)

HEY what about Washington?  It's not just under-educated minority people allowing their children to kill each other with their own unsecured weapons... BEHOLD the IMBECILE CRYING Policeman. Did you know when you mix children and gun ownership you are more likely to have a dead child?  Is a real thing. 

in conclusion:  let's get to work on making our country safer together!  If you believe people will still kill each other with bombs and swords if they don't have easy access to guns... then bombs away mr. bayonet. 

by The Jinxmedic on 11/9/2012 @ 8:42am
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
 

by NineInchNachos on 11/9/2012 @ 8:48am
not blah blah blah.  You had a great first step.  Get all the states on the same page with the NICS thing would be a giant leap for mankind. 


by The Jinxmedic on 11/9/2012 @ 9:30am
If you got the states to actually be proactive in mental health, and then get them to share treatment information with the NCIS (as is sort of required by federal law), you wouldn't need any other regulation other than what is already on the books.

And regarding the the laws currently on the books- Do you know why Seattle has such a firearms crime problem? It is because King County doesn't enforce mandatory sentencing standards for criminals that use a firearm in the commission of a crime. No enforcement = no deterrent. No deterrent? Attractive environment for criminals. This creates a virtual gang heaven in King County, with a disaportionate number of bystanders shot per capita, as opposed to other communities in the Northwest.

Also, regarding the increase in the rate of home invasions- the only thing that home invaders actually fear is armed homeowners- as they know that any punishment dished out by the KC court system (if apprehended) will be light.



.
 
It really is that simple.

by NineInchNachos on 11/9/2012 @ 10:14am
guns are attractive items to steal for home-invaders. 

I'd argue that pit bulls are more feared, and have considerably less street-value on black-market.

enforcement of existing law... proactive mental health.. bi-partisan support/common ground! Let's move forward to prevent gun violence. 

:)






by The Jinxmedic on 11/9/2012 @ 10:26am
It's easier to control a gun than a pit bull.

by NineInchNachos on 11/27/2012 @ 12:40am
buy up suckers!

www.thenewstribune.com/2012/11/25/238065...



by NineInchNachos on 11/28/2012 @ 2:37pm

interesting history discussion podcast:
The US has the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world.
How did this come to be? Was America’s “gun culture” present from the
very beginning?
On this episode, the History Guys look at who has had access to guns
in the U.S., and what those guns have meant to the people who have owned
them. They also consider the importance of guns at the time the Second
Amendment was drafted, and explore the central role government has
played in the dissemination of firearms to citizens. And they pay a
visit to a 21st century version of the armories of the past: a gun show.



www.backstoryradio.org/straight-shot-gun...



by NineInchNachos on 12/14/2012 @ 9:12am
more flesh for the mountain of death this week.

mall shooting, school shooting.





by cisserosmiley on 12/14/2012 @ 10:12am
27 dead reportered @ this time, an excellent marksman no doubt.

by JesseHillFan on 12/14/2012 @ 10:39am
Well unlike the recent Mall shooter this one probably didn't use a junk jamming plastic toy like an AR-15.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/14/2012 @ 10:54am
Here we go again. I would imagaine that an EO AWB through BATFE reclass (no congressional approval required) would be pretty much inevitable at this point.

by low bar on 12/14/2012 @ 11:33am
Ban all semi-autos now. When the 2nd was drafted, guns weren't like this. We can go back to just revolvers and double barrel shotguns or lever action rifles. Ban everything else. We need to go back to simpler times.

by JesseHillFan on 12/14/2012 @ 11:59am
This is why I am against firearms.Class IV LASER's only instantly blind people for life but don't kill them.Sure it's against Federal Law and International Laws but they don't kill and are far more accurate as 186,282 miles per second has little drop due to gravity (warp in space-time) compared to well under 1 mile per second projectiles.Also they don't leave nasty forensic evidence nor make loud sounds either that could wake up your neighbors.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/14/2012 @ 1:26pm
Do whatever you want. I don't care.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/14/2012 @ 1:27pm
You want simpler times?


Turn off the internet.

by low bar on 12/14/2012 @ 2:02pm
A computer never shot and killed a bunch of children. I think that's pretty simple to understand. Simpler times means having to reload a revolver, that reload time may be exactly what makes the difference between a parent having to put the apple of their eye in the ground for no reason other then to some make some paranoid NRA supporter happy. The NRA can have guns, just not ones that you can reload and fire rapidly. If they can't live with that, they should be dissolved by means of a national vote.

by NineInchNachos on 12/14/2012 @ 2:40pm
too many homicidal wack jobs with all too easy access to guns. Thanks NRA! 

by low bar on 12/14/2012 @ 3:03pm
The NRA has become the tyrant. 


by NineInchNachos on 12/14/2012 @ 4:03pm
fuck the NRA

www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everythin...



by low bar on 12/14/2012 @ 4:05pm
The shooter, Adam Lanza, protected by the NRA, brought to you by the NRA.

The NRA is now the tyrant. Spread the word. 

by chairkicker on 12/14/2012 @ 4:36pm
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Shoes, shall not be infringed."
Imagine how much more pleasant air travel would be today if that was the original text.

by NineInchNachos on 12/14/2012 @ 5:21pm
why gun control never happens..

slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/...



by JesseHillFan on 12/14/2012 @ 5:22pm
"A computer never shot and killed a bunch of children"
Well it could be programmed to do that though. Computer + A.I. Software+Sensors+ Robotics+Firearm = Terminator.Kill John and Sarah Conner.

by NineInchNachos on 12/14/2012 @ 5:27pm
it was interesting seeing Obama choke up about the dead children  while his predator drones kill children in Pakistan 


by JesseHillFan on 12/14/2012 @ 6:03pm
^ Good point RR.I am sure that my father was on a few bombing missions that killed some NAZI children + Axis occupied country children too back in World War 2.FDR probably has the top death toll on killing children of any U.S. President.

by NineInchNachos on 12/14/2012 @ 8:30pm
Ms. Darcy cried out in tears today "How can somebody kill so many babies?"

ripples of sadness throughout the early childhood education profession today.

by NineInchNachos on 12/14/2012 @ 8:58pm
brainstorming...! 

blog.thenewstribune.com/street/2012/12/1...

A. maybe better mental healthcare for all... single payer public option?
B. end super-easy access to guns. I'd be happy with sort-of easy access to guns.



by low bar on 12/15/2012 @ 6:20pm
States should have the freedom to vote on their gun laws. Either that or the American people should be able to exercise the freedom by a nationwide popular vote ban semi-autos.

Anyways it says the right to keep and bear arms. Not the right to bear guns. You can arm yourself with anything, a rake or a can of mace.

So the language doesn't specify guns. It says arms. And an armament or weapon can be anything.

20 children dead. I think its time for a vote. That's the beauty of a democracy. Let's separate the powers of the NRA from our constitution by a vote.



by fredo on 12/15/2012 @ 7:20pm
If states vote on their own gun laws it's possible some states will enact more stringent gun laws and some states will enact less stringent gun laws.

by low bar on 12/15/2012 @ 7:24pm
Good point. That's why we should have a nationwide ban BY POPULAR VOTE on SEMI-AUTO'S ONLY since it's a nationwide problem that is not going away and only getting worse.

20 children dead. What's next?

Australia banned semi-auto's in 1996 after a mass shooting and since 1996 there have been ZERO mass shootings there.

by NineInchNachos on 12/15/2012 @ 7:42pm
amend the 2nd amendment:

right to bear arms and by arms we mean blunderbuss



by NineInchNachos on 12/16/2012 @ 11:53am
go mayor!

Marilyn Strickland There
are people in this world who have no business owning guns. And some
types of guns have no business in the hands of civilians. Sensible gun
regulation must be a public health priority. Every day in the U.S.,
eight young people under the age of 20 die because of guns.


Tragedies don't usually change people's positions about gun regulation,
so it's time for some folks to come out of the closet, speak out and
lead. You know who you are.



by NineInchNachos on 12/16/2012 @ 11:56am
go Mello!

Ryan Mello I
couldn't agree more. Action must be taken to regulate the guns we have
(like the cars we drive) to make them safer and we must ban and remove
assault style weapons from our society. Certainly we need more
investment in mental healthcare, not deep cuts like some are advocating.
No more tragedies. Let's take action America. I was ready 9
tragedies ago.



by low bar on 12/16/2012 @ 2:27pm
Gun control by popular vote! Let the people exercise their electoral freedom to decide this issue! Since the people of WA decided to decriminalize weed, Mexican cartels can't make as much money in WA as they use to. Let the people decide on gun control so the gun czars can make less money. We live in a free country, not a dictatorship influenced by gun czars.

by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 7:56am
www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/17/116957...

we the red blooded socialists are coming for your guns and your mental illnesses.
Be afraid.
Be soooooooo afraid.





by The Jinxmedic on 12/17/2012 @ 8:47am
I think the First Amendement has been heavily abused as well. The founding fathers could not have conceived of the dangers of electronic media and the destabilizing threat of instant communication between distant locations. Control dangerous thought and BAN ALL ELECTRONIC MEDIA NOW!  Doubleplus goodthink for all!

by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 9:00am
why ban when you can PAYWALL !

If only you could some how monetize school shootings... oh wait it's called ASSAULT WEAPONS MANUFACTURING ! 



by The Jinxmedic on 12/17/2012 @ 9:03am
Don't be an idiot. You're better than that.

by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 9:05am
its in the constitution... a mericans have a right to make and sell guns!


by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 9:07am
dead children is just the cost of doing business.   A lot of money is at stake here.   and by money I mean freedomz! 


by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 9:09am
If I was a mother it would be a privilege and honor to be shot to death by my own son and my own assault riffle under my own roof in my country... a beacon of freedom to the world!  and by beacon of freedom I mean fireboat shooting blood 100 feet into the air.  


by Mofo from the Hood on 12/17/2012 @ 9:34am
When adults lie to children, twist reality, condition them to proceed through life with a skepticism of metaphysics and theology, why act surprised when those same children grow to think and act by the law of nature?

The Law of Nature: We Live By What We Slay.

by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 11:14am
GAWD bless us everyone!

www.mattbors.com/blog/2012/12/17/armed-s...



by Mofo from the Hood on 12/17/2012 @ 1:07pm
The world is full of irresponsible people. People who are unable mentally, or philosophically to answer to a higher authority. The problem is beyond firearm training, and diversity education, and government regulations proposed by practical atheists. If a person has never made an effort to understand the necessity of eternal transcendent norms, is he responsible for his ignorance?

By today's societal norms, the common prescription is that all problems should be experimentally solved through the legal system. This relative state of affairs was brought about by certain irresponsible people. People who are unable mentally, or philosophically to answer to a higher authority. Why give media attention and acceptance to those people who mock and degrade the theocentric worldview that defines the rise of Western civilization?

People imitate what they admire. Promote the delusional view that all things are equal, and that every man can live according to his own rules, then what you get is our current state of chaos.

by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 2:12pm
free bible with assault riffle purchase

by Mofo from the Hood on 12/17/2012 @ 3:05pm
If hopeless degenerates, shooters or otherwise, are educated in moral wisdom, then that just promotes them from ignorant devil's to clever devil's. 

by low bar on 12/17/2012 @ 3:25pm
The 18th amendment was ratified by popular vote. Let the 2nd be ratified by popular vote.

Let freedom be the decider. 


Down with the tyrant NRA.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/17/2012 @ 3:58pm
Yeah, whatever.
 

by cisserosmiley on 12/17/2012 @ 4:14pm
www.conceptsinammunition.com/

Less than lethal ammo...solved it!!!

by low bar on 12/17/2012 @ 4:49pm
"The popular vote for repeal of Prohibition was 74 percent in favor and 26 percent in opposition. By a three-to-one vote, the American people rejected Prohibition; only one state opposed repeal." -- David J. Hanson, Ph.D.www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/...

"Yeah, whatever" -- The Jinxmedic

Yeah whatever is what dictators say just before the American people take them out. When you tread on the rattlesnake, that rattlesnake isn't holding a gun. It's backed by the power to vote. See the last elections.

But yeah confused souls think its all just a big trick to get their guns. 20 children let themselves get killed. Mental health is an issue in this country, and its the gun nuts that need the most screening.

www.kirotv.com/news/news/man-custody-aft...

Can we add you to the list of crazies who feel threatened Jinx? Do you feel like harming someone over your guns rights Jinx? We can probably have a sheriff at your door and get you the help you need.

by cisserosmiley on 12/17/2012 @ 5:23pm
This is the shotgun I'd get if less than lethal ammo took hold.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/17/2012 @ 5:41pm
Oh great, now I'm beeing threatened with being SWATted, just because I don't happen to share your opinion. Nice. Really adult of you.

If you look back to ALL of my posts on Feed Tacoma, you will see that I have always stood as a moderating voice of reason and have taken the role of active peacemaker in many a thread. It is no mystery that I have slowed my posting on this forum- due in no small part to the level of vitriol and hate that I have seen of late, and low bar is a prime example of this degradation of civility. So keep spreading the hate, I hope it makes you happy. (Everybody deserves to be happy, even low bar.)

Peace.  out.

by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 5:41pm
crazy people should not have guns.  parents of crazy people should take extra care of their guns if they are silly enough to have guns in the first place. 


by low bar on 12/17/2012 @ 6:27pm
You have a really strange sense of self importance Jinx. First signs of a psycho if you ask me, at the least a sociopath.

Funny thing is Jinx can just put me on ignore, and keep adding his opinions to his hearts content. After all, that is what a rational person would do.

No, Jinx has to make a scene. There is some instability there. And then add to it that he's obviously a supporter of the 2nd. Not a good combo.

The problem with Jinx is he could just put me on ignore, but he can't, because I make points he can't help but read a respond to. His response to provocation I would think creates a profile we can all learn to avoid, let alone feel safe they own firearms.

See Jinx thinks he knows something others don't. But what he doesn't know is that which he knows isn't worth knowing because it's highly irrational thinking.


by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 6:40pm
what about well regulated militias ?  where is the outcry for supporting militias ?


by low bar on 12/17/2012 @ 6:43pm
Militias can't be trusted. No one can be trusted when you are a gun nut.





by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 6:46pm
people are waking up.  The President and also god forsaken Republicans are calling for Gun Control/Mental Health action.  Strike while the iron is hot I say.

by low bar on 12/17/2012 @ 6:57pm
I guess mental health and evil are the same thing to some people. Some people say you're never going to keep evil from happening. Does that mean mental health action will be ineffective?

Some people say only the gun man is to blame, only the crazy person that did the deed. Why should we punish seemingly rational gun owners for actions of a crazy person?

Were the men that hijacked those planes on 9/11 not crazy then? Does religion give you a pass? If those men that hijacked those planes on 9/11 were crazy and we should only punish those that do the deed, why did we invade Iraq and Afghanistan?

We need to deal with terrorism here at home disguising itself as craziness.

We need to deal with the tools that terrorists use against us.

We need to deal with the new Taliban, the NRA.

by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 7:05pm
bring back the town armory!



by JesseHillFan on 12/17/2012 @ 7:50pm
Here is a legal machine gun that you can own in the state of Washington.BTW it's not a firearm but it's fun.www.amazon.com/SMG-Full-Auto-Belt-Pellet...

and here is some ammo for it.Apparently someone has tried this and it does work on this.www.amazon.com/Predator-Polymag-22-Point...

by NineInchNachos on 12/17/2012 @ 8:21pm
Marilyn Strickland ‎"Though
entrenched special interests will try to muddy the issues, the cause of
these sickening mass shootings is no longer a mystery to common-sense
Americans. Good luck to the gun lobbyist or Hollywood lawyer who tries
to blunt the righteous anger of ten million parents by hiding behind a
twisted reading of our Bill of Rights." - Joe Scarborough



righteous anger of ten million parents

I love that.

by low bar on 12/17/2012 @ 8:28pm
Joe knows his morning audience and is just pandering to them. He knows from experience you don't needs guns, you can just make people 'hit their heads'.

by fredo on 12/17/2012 @ 9:42pm
first you say its from Marilyn Strickland then you attribute it to Joe Scarborough.

by low bar on 12/18/2012 @ 2:33am
"You think the NRA has power?" -- Mayor Bloomberg

by The Jinxmedic on 12/18/2012 @ 8:29am
You know what? I'm done here. It is obvious to me that a voice of reason means nothing in this community any longer.

I am taking low bar at his suggestion, and am putting Feed Tacoma on "ignore".
 

by cisserosmiley on 12/18/2012 @ 8:46am
I have a few suggestions then: ignore lowbar, he clearly struggles with life/purpose/clarity stuff.  Also, participate for all the same reasons you are ignoring.  I wish this forum was fun & cool for folks because I love reading everyone's stuff. Please feed Tacoma.

by NineInchNachos on 12/18/2012 @ 8:52am
you're both veterans for god sakes, stick together for the sake of the nation!

ignoring other people is the easy way out. 

what would jesus do?



by NineInchNachos on 12/18/2012 @ 8:53am
...what would Ramtha do?


by NineInchNachos on 12/18/2012 @ 8:56am
also its interesting that the guy who urges people to vote monarchist and voted for himself for president is claiming to be the voice of reason.  HA HO! I say.   You are JUST as MAD as anyone here!  WE ARE ALL MAD! 


by troysworktable on 12/18/2012 @ 8:59am
"You have a really strange sense of self importance Jinx. First signs of a psycho if you ask me, at the least a sociopath.

Funny
thing is Jinx can just put me on ignore, and keep adding his opinions
to his hearts content. After all, that is what a rational person would
do.

No, Jinx has to make a scene. There is some instability
there. And then add to it that he's obviously a supporter of the 2nd.
Not a good combo.

The problem with Jinx is he could just put me
on ignore, but he can't, because I make points he can't help but read a
respond to. His response to provocation I would think creates a profile
we can all learn to avoid, let alone feel safe they own firearms.

See
Jinx thinks he knows something others don't. But what he doesn't know
is that which he knows isn't worth knowing because it's highly
irrational thinking."

—lowbar

@lowbar: Put your name into the above quote you posted and see how it reads.  You aren't allowing for constructive conversation by accusing others of psychosis, sociopathy, self-importance.  Who is "making a scene" with comments such as those quoted above?  I'm just curious.



by The Jinxmedic on 12/18/2012 @ 9:02am
I voted Gary Johnson for president as there was no monarchist candidate running. (I did encourage others to vote for me, however.)
 
Still done, though.

by NineInchNachos on 12/18/2012 @ 9:09am
scroll up for a bit... 

you got lowbar  probably the most successful comment troll in the history of the south puget sound--quite obviously mad. 

you got Mofo From the Hood  who appears to write from distant galaxies--mad as a hatter.

you got Fredo who believes sidewalk trees are a vast communist conspiracy--MAD.

you have JHF with a commanding knowledge of electric bikes and hand held lasers--if that is not a warning sign I don't know what is..

you have Cissero who self-medicates with republican-party coup d'état fantasies--MAD



If you are reading this message, your brain is probably no longer the boss!



by low bar on 12/18/2012 @ 1:27pm
@troysworktable I'm not 'allowing', how does that work when you can just put my comments on ignore?

I don't flip out and make a scene and threaten "to be done here" all the time like poor troubled Jinxy.

Now Jinxy is threatening to put the whole blog on ignore! And then I am the one that struggles? HAHAHAHA

There are about 27 people in congress who don't hold bachelors degrees. Want to know why congress has such a low approval rating? There is a good place to start.

Why does someone who goes through law school then must pass a bar? Because a clients fate is important? Well then why is there no entrance to the bar in congress?

Surely deciding the fate of millions of Americans call for qualifications. So if we are going to let monkeys run congress, we might as well have a popular vote on the issue of gun control.

If an assault weapons ban goes through, like it did from 1994-2004 until Bush and co let it expire (see increase in mass killings since then) the ban will create a new network of agents on the look out for perps.

Right now, perps are free to buy any assault weapon they want, with almost zero premeditation time. Its in the premeditation that a criminal may decide not to commit the crime.

Extend the premeditation time ie make it harder to acquire tools of death, and you may extend the lives of countless innocent Americans. Not to mention its not easier to catch perps in the process of buying illegal weaponry.

But of course I say all these things because like Ciss points out, I struggle with clarity and as Troy points out I am clearly a sociopath.

Yeah, Troy, see the thing with sociopaths is they don't try to help fix society. They cop out on society, as in try to put the whole thing on ignore.

by troysworktable on 12/18/2012 @ 2:13pm
@lowbar, I never called you a sociopath.  You need to go back and read what I wrote.  I asked you to insert your name into what you wrote and see how it reads.  (It's about consideration for the person or persons you are in conversation with, whether you agree with them or not).  However, I do think you "make a scene" in much of what you write.  There seems to be a rather thin line between passion and pummeling for you.  Passion I can understand.  Pummeling doesn't allow partners in the conversation to speak.  Pummeling points fingers and calls names.  Pummeling scapegoats.  Pummeling lacks moderation or introspection or the ability to listen.  Pummeling is what the national conversation has become, as well as this thread and much of the comments on FeedTacoma, which is sad.  One can speak passionately about his or her beliefs and point(s) of view without resorting to belittling his or her "opponent."

by low bar on 12/18/2012 @ 2:30pm
"or the ability to listen." -- troy

I can listen. I am hearing the same gun nut defending bullsh!t while 20 children are being put in the cold Connecticut ground this week.

Belittling? No. Provoking? Yes. But why?

Anyways, I personally get a strong reaction when 20 children are slain. I don't get a strong reaction when someone calls me out a blog. I don't go around and threaten to put the whole thing on ignore. But that's just me.

And since when does "Yeah, whatever" count as a belief?

Here's my belief. I believe if something is made illegal, it's easier to find those that want those illegal items.

We don't know when the next crazy gun nut is going to strike, but we get closer to knowing if we have a network of agents on the look out for people trying to acquire 30 round mags and weapons that are meant to hunt people.

No one is on the look out now for those crazies, because the GOP let the 1994-2004 ban expire. Somehow all these things lead back to the GOP. Go figure.

I'm putting both my semi-autos up for sale on gunbroker because a ban is coming. You can believe it. It passed in 1994 and it's going to pass again.

by troysworktable on 12/18/2012 @ 2:46pm
So, let's look at this response.  You say you don't belittle, yet you call Jinxmedic a "gun nut."  You've also called him a "psycho" and "sociopath."  That is more than provocation.

Like I stated, passion is one thing, pummeling is another.

I think you would be hard-pressed to find anyone on FeedTacoma that revels in the death of 20 children, including those who are "gun nuts."

If you are truly concerned that no more children are killed, and that guns are placed under some kind of control (whatever that may be, and, by the way, I am also in favor), then have a debate with those "gun nuts."  Find common ground that you share.

For example:

We were talking about the last President that supported gun control at work today.  It was the Republican icon, Ronald Reagan.  Let's start there.  Obviously, Reagan had a personal interest in support of the Brady bill, having been a victim of an assassination attempt, the same one in which Brady was injured.  If Republicans/conservatives are going to have any credibility, then, it seems to me, they have to "do something" with a major figure within their party (and recent history) who can obviously make concessions and compromise.

This seems ripe material to explore.



by low bar on 12/18/2012 @ 2:51pm
I see. So it's always the left that has to be the one to find the common ground. No.

Now it's time for the right to find common ground. Or get beaten at the polls.



by troysworktable on 12/18/2012 @ 3:00pm
It's time for us all to find common ground.  By making it "us" versus "them" one lessens his or herself.  A great read is I See Satan Fall Like Lightning by French sociologist Rene Girard.  His book is about how scapegoating and name-calling and identifying the "other" as Other, leads to violence.  Our words and actions have consequences.  Finding common ground should be the goal of each one of us.  If the other person cannot or will not do such, shouldn't you and I still strive do so.  I've seen plenty of my "enemies," my "opponents," "disarmed" in debates simply because I chose not to stoop to their level.  It also allows me (and you) to pause and reflect and see where the weaknesses are in my own (and your) arguments.  It also allows for common ground and compromise to be discovered.  It is rare that I've seen the same in a shouting match or a pissing contest.

(And, for the record, I don't identify as left or right, but moderate, which seems to be a position that is almost non-existent nowadays.  That isn't to pat myself on the back, but to lament all of those who gave up and went home, primarily due to those on the left and the right who resorted to histrionics.)



by low bar on 12/18/2012 @ 3:02pm
Yeah, whatever.

See how that works?

You should be telling this to Jinxy. He's the one threatening to put the whole thing on ignore, not me.

Here's the deal troy. I am not worried about the right's involvement in this discussion. They lose power with every election.

The thing is troy you actually think the right can be reasoned with. They can't. They can only be beaten at the polls.

by troysworktable on 12/18/2012 @ 3:23pm
Yes, I do believe the right can be reasoned with. 

I don't believe the far right, ultraconservative, Tea Party, fundamentalist Christians, Objectivist/Ayn Rand acolytes can be reasoned with, however.  They are as unbending and unyielding as other groups grounded in moral utopian "dictatorships."  I don't understand why the mainstream Republicans, moderate and right, are so scared of them.  It's going to take some moral fiber and backbone to call them out and send them packing.

The Republican party needs to come back toward the center, as does the Democratic party.



by JesseHillFan on 12/18/2012 @ 4:12pm
We need a Volksgemeinschaft.

by low bar on 12/18/2012 @ 4:18pm
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing."

quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-me...

Saying "Yeah, whatever" is doing nothing.

The right has been doing NOTHING. Nothing till 20 children are slain.

The whole reason the left exists is in reaction to the mistakes the right makes. There would be no left if the right weren't so irresponsibly irrational.

20 children are dead because the GOP DID NOTHING to extend the assault weapons ban in 2004.

Those with American blood on their hands forfeit their powers.

We have NO USE for a right anymore. And if there is no use for them, there is no need to find common ground with them.

The right simply should be put out of power before they can do any more damage to the United States. 

by NineInchNachos on 12/18/2012 @ 5:40pm
righteous outrage and hate are totally different things.

time to open the fire-hydrant of righteousness!

DAY OF RAGE!     


by Maria on 12/19/2012 @ 5:14pm
"A great read is I See Satan Fall Like Lightning by French
sociologist Rene Girard.  His book is about how scapegoating and
name-calling and identifying the "other" as Other, leads to violence." --Troy

That looks amazing, Troy. Desire, imitation, victim-blaming, opposition, fragmented communities, antagonists, violence, mob mentalities. Wow.

Well, I hope this doesn't come across wrongly: Low Bar, I think you have a lot of good to say. You definitely have a strong voice as a critic of popular culture and apathy. You call out government misinformation, religious hypocrisy and injustice. Because of your experience in the military, you're familiar with conservative ideology and authoritarian leadership models. You know a great deal about life in the working class and among blue collar folks who don't always get a say. Plus you read a lot, and you love history. You are very familiar with politics, statistics, international studies and so forth. You introduced me to my favorite new word of 2011, a very useful word: eristical. All this makes you a valuable voice in a discussion.

But sometimes you sound really angry, and it's hard for me to tell if you're angry about issues, or you just like yanking people's chains and pushing buttons.

But when that anger sometimes seems directed at people here, who want to have a civil (and passionate) conversation, I wonder, does it serve a purpose. People are here to discuss and try to understand what's wrong/right in this world, have fun, share events, etc. Most of us are average conservatives, liberals, moderates, etc. who aren't particularly at fault for what's broken. We're not necessarily "innocent," and, sometimes we're wrong or misguided, or fooled by false info, or by our own prejudices.

But most people who comment here are trying to be thinkers, business owners, creators, participants and activists who want to alleviate some of the suffering, especially on the local level.

I personally feel when we talk about problems, it helps to have a variety of perspectives (and even emotions...the angry, the passive, the scared, the adventurous, the fantastical, the gullible, the cynic, the fact-checker, the party-line blowhard, etc.). It takes a lot of tolerance and respect to invite diverse voices into the mix, because there's quite a bit of disagreement.

The disagreement is not just okay, it's what's best. If I'm sending a rocket to Mars, I want the guy who questions the O-rings, the gal who re-checks the algorithms, the gentleman with wild hair who says an asteroid is projected to cross the trajectory, the janitor who mentions a few of the tiles appear loose, the visionary who thought it was possible, the cynic who is double-checking figures at every stage hoping it will fail (yes, even he plays a part). 

That's how I personally understand things--I like diverse thought. I like the Parisian coffee shop atmosphere with anarchists, painters, dancers, priests, mayors, orphans, chanteuses, professors, monks...mimes...sipping cafe au lait, shairng new books, commenting on news, shaking fists at one another, arguing if Picasso is a genius or a fraud.

Anyway, not meaning to call you out in any negative way, just that, if you're banging your fist on the coffeeshop table and spilling coffee, or blasting your onion quiche breath in your adversaries' faces too closely--saying things that sound demeaning or harsh to someone who means well but has a different opinion--it makes things less welcoming. (The mimes will leave first.)

I'm not afraid of anger. We should have outrage over some of these issues. I'm just not sure the rage is rightly focused (or discharged) when it's pointed at anyone here. I think when we say harsh words to one another, it doesn't make society any better. It makes this little virtual, digital society less decent.

And if we can't be respectful, decent, kind to one another, who have little contact, and very little at stake here...how can we expect to have a more healthy, compassionate, noble society in our city, or nation? The wrongly focused anger and rage is part of the problem with politics, violence, relationships. The self-control and consideration it requires to think over our words is the starting point for change. How we think, what we say, is the fuel for all our actions.

Fair enough? I've felt convicted / chastised this year myself, over hastily said words and emotional outbursts typed in haste, unretractable. Conversations with friends where my outrage over racism, poverty, apathy, the fact they've never read "To Kill a Mockingbird" turns into rants and judgment against someone who's invited me into their life and heart.

So for several months now, I've made it a policy to type out comments and sit on them for a day or so, or at least a few hours--to think before getting on my dinnertable podium to vanquish the frail polemics of less informed debaters. I recognize I need to let wisdom and respect do some editing before I communicate, otherwise people stop listening or believing I have anything valuable to say.

On that note: I believe our nation is finally ready to have a real discussion on gun safety--so one of the best gifts Congress and the president can give the country is a sensible package of gun safety changes that protects 2nd amendment rights, but also adds some safeguards for our children and other vulnerable individuals. I strongly believe there can be changes made than gun owners will accept and understand, and that parents and communities will applaud. It's not Us vs. Them. WE need to work together to improve some of the statistics.

Merry Christmas, happy holidays, best wishes for those who celebrate and those who don't. I dislike all this rain and darkness, but I love how the ending of the year gives us a chance to think things over and start fresh again. The pattern of the seasons is a gift and a promise.

PS. Long-winded FeedTacoma commentator Maria complained earlier on Twitter about the 3-hour odyssey of "The Hobbit." Forgive my hypocrisy. What irks us about others is that they mirror our flaws.

by NineInchNachos on 12/19/2012 @ 5:21pm
MAN THIS SUCKS!

comics.feedtacoma.com/ocryx/ocryx-ocryx-...

why can't we all just get along? 



by low bar on 12/19/2012 @ 5:41pm
Ok so lets make a tally. We've got Troy's pummeling and we've got Maria's anger.

We've got 20 dead children. Most of whom were 6 years old. A few were shot multiple times.

Has anyone seen what a AR type weapon does to a full grown Iraqi?

6 rounds went into one of those kids.

If only they could be angry now.

If only they can pummel that shooter, or those that allowed the 1994 ban to expire that contributed to them missing Christmas this year. And all the Christmases they could have had with their kids.

The right has been yanking chains and damaging our country and if we don't fight back, people will lose faith in the system. Which is what they want.

I have yet to call anyone a slut for using birth control.

The difference between getting angry over the irrational state of gun culture, and the irrational anger a gun owner feels about gun control is what?

I saw the Hobbit too. I've also seen news out of San Antonio now about a shooting outside a theater where the Hobbit was playing. That story is now being used by the culture of gun owners to prove their points. Only the person who shot the shooter was an off duty cop. An off duty cop carries a gun. But they also have extensive training and psychological screening.

Another gun owner argument is that drugs are illegal, but they are still on the streets and people still use them. Yeah, they use them. On themselves. They don't run into a movie theater and force cocaine up everyone's noses. And then there is that thing called the DEA, that is constantly on the look out for those that spread drugs.

Who is looking out for the spread of AR's that fall into the hands of nut job killers? No one. Because AR's are legal. There isn't even a department head of the ATF.

So why must I take all this nonsensical pummeling by sorry, a bunch of white dudes, that still think the British are coming or the Russians are going to help North Korea parachute into Lakewood? (Don't bother seeing the Red Dawn remake, it was horrible.)

Ok so I push buttons. I study law. And I can't wait to persecute all the evil in this state. Easiest way to find evil? Provoke it. Make it rattle. Find out where the serpents are.




by low bar on 12/19/2012 @ 5:47pm
comics.feedtacoma.com/ocryx/ocryx-ocryx-...

Only the place is moderated. You can hit ignore.

Can only wonder what this over reaction means when someone tries to moderate Jinxy's gun use.

I'd hate to be the ATF agent that has to knock on that dudes door.

20 children are dead and the thing that pisses this dude off is that he couldn't manage to click the ignore button, not that Americans are dead.

Where are we as a country when not being able to find an ignore button frustrates you more then the blood of Americans?

by low bar on 12/19/2012 @ 6:01pm
RR you're a funny guy. You draw a picture of a heap of dead people, killed by the NRA eagle. I imagine to create a reaction.

So it sucks that two dumb crows fly off because I pissed them off. But the crows don't get pissed off about seeing a heap of dead people? Huh.

So if I drew my posts instead of wrote them, that wouldn't be considered over doing it? That's bloody scene up at the top isn't considered pummeling the issue?

I have yet to draw two literary firearms and create a heap of dead bodies here.

But maybe I should have drawn a bunch of dead bodies with holes in them for Jixy. Obviously that doesn't provoke him. I can see where the sight of a heap of dead bodies wouldn't be a deal breaker for some white dude that draws crows and thinks the British are coming.

by NineInchNachos on 12/19/2012 @ 6:05pm
NPR had a interesting segment where they were talking about how international political cartoonists are reacting to the mass killing of american 1st graders.  They described a cartoon of a 50's nuclear family at breakfast,  but all the food was replaced by bullets and guns.  The whole family stuffing their faces with weapons.  Most of the cartoons described the NRA as an invincible force that prevents any meaningful kind of rational gun control. 

by NineInchNachos on 12/19/2012 @ 6:17pm
You absolutely do not need private citizens with semi automatic assault rifles. You absolutely do not need private citizens with large capacity clips. The NRA is an unbelievably evil organization and it boggles my mind that anyone would in sound mind want to give them money.   I am filled with righteous outrage and the time to act in the political theater and in the marketplace of ideas is now.  

I like what lowbar has to say about the world.  I also like my friend the JinxMedic who struggles in this environment with his own libertarian beliefs (however weird I think they might be). As somebody who promotes hyper-local cartoon strips, I am sad that he believes he must withdraw from the conversation because of civility.   What is civility?  What is civil to one person may not be civil to another..?  I'm not sure how to react when somebody claims to be the defacto moderate voice in anything on the interwebs.  My own personal claims on the internet are often hyperbolic and paradoxical for anarchistic comedic relief... 

anyway distraction.   the relentlessness growth of the Mountain of Dead kids is the important thing on the top of this giant thread and I can see why people want to talk about other things.

by low bar on 12/19/2012 @ 6:22pm
Civility. Yeah right. If I was "pummeling" you RR for drawing that scene at the top, Jinxy would still be here.

I bet he'll be back to this thread from time to time. No one that in love with the 2nd can resist an NRA eagle a top a heap of dead, what are those? Children? I see one of the teachers off to the right there.

Ever see Platoon RR? Yeah just because two guys were in the same Army doesn't mean they've the same values.

by NineInchNachos on 12/19/2012 @ 6:42pm
that's the daffodill princess that killed herself with a glock right before the daffodil parade.  I drew this cartoon while ago. but it's a timeless tacomic.

by low bar on 12/19/2012 @ 6:44pm
Well don't worry, the crows will be back to feast on the carcasses. Whatever is left I'm sure will fertilize the daffodills this spring.  


by NineInchNachos on 12/19/2012 @ 7:08pm
does anyone else feel that LowBar was seriously going to trick a swat team into busting down The JinxMedic's front door?  I didn't even know that was a thing that was possible.  folding up shop on your separate cartoon strip over an off hand hypothetical remark in a tacomic thread seems like an over reaction.   I dunno.  



by low bar on 12/19/2012 @ 7:34pm
Of course I wasn't going to notify the Pierce Co Sheriff's office. Jinx didn't threaten to shoot up any schools like the Facebook dude. I thought that was pretty clear.

Hey I got a short fuse just like any other combat vet. But I get help for it at American Lake. And I don't huff the Libertarian agenda.

Anyone huffing the Libertarian view of the world is going to have a knee jerk reaction to provocation. I didn't provoke Jinxy to see if he'd threaten to take his toys away. Sorry he did y'all. Sorry he's turned to punishing Feedtacoma instead just hitting the mute button, or voicing as libertarian rebuttal.

by NineInchNachos on 12/19/2012 @ 8:00pm
no matter how bad it gets on feed tacoma  it will never be as bad as the TNT comments. 

can we all agree to that?





by low bar on 12/19/2012 @ 8:06pm
Personally I would love to hear Jinx's Libertarian thoughts. I hope he comes back and shares them.

If not I've got Gingrich, the only man to call himself a Regeanite, yet when President Regean sends Gignrich a letter asking him to vote in favor of gun control, Gingrich votes no.

TNT huh?

After watching Lincoln and the dramatization of the house members pummeling each other back then, Feedtacoma is in comparison a game of bridge in a southern Florida retirement community club house.



by NineInchNachos on 12/20/2012 @ 8:46am
Today on NPR President Obama said something pretty cool. He said “We're going to need to work on making access to mental health care at least as easy as access to a gun,”

there is common ground. Even if the NRA is as despicable an organization as I think it is there is room for unified action when faced with an even worse 3rd party...  look at these historic team-ups:

- Skeletor joining forces with He-Man
- Magneto joining forces with Professor X
- Cobra Commander joining forces with GI Joe
- Osama Bin Laden and Muslim Fundamentalists joining forces with the CIA in the 80's

WE NEED to fix the mental health/criminal history background check database thing!  Let do that first and go from there.




by cisserosmiley on 12/20/2012 @ 10:17am
I like the idea of MH access as proxy for gun control, theoretically cancelling each other out like superman & cryptonite. Guns, bombs, poison & doo doo sticks would be rendered useless by "I" statements, warm fuzzies & Depakote.

by low bar on 12/20/2012 @ 12:16pm
Here's my moderate solution to the problem:

Rat on a stick.



by NineInchNachos on 12/20/2012 @ 6:42pm
npr says according to poll, majority of americans for first time since clinton support action on gun control specifically ban on high capacity clips and military style semi automatic rifles.

by low bar on 12/20/2012 @ 7:50pm
NPR? But what does conservative talk radio say? Remember its all about moderation.

"I voted Gary Johnson for president as there was no monarchist candidate running." -- Jinxmedic

RR, remember when the last O&J strip said "I voted for Obama" -- Jinxmedic, (before Jinxmedic changed it?)

LIARS! *RR voice*



by NineInchNachos on 12/20/2012 @ 8:19pm
we are all beautiful snowflakes of diversity. 

One of my strangest friends just dumped my cartoon thread and his own cartooning audience because he believed one of my other highly unique cartoon commentators was threatening to SWATed him. 

This makes my 253 heart hurt.


Why can't we all just get along?   We're all Tacomanians for Ramtha sake!



by low bar on 12/20/2012 @ 8:37pm
Seriously? 20 children are dead and some libertarian takes to lying about voting for Obama only to make himself look more moderate. 20 children are killed and first thing that pops into my mind isn't that I have to make my self look more moderate then I really am. That's probably not what Tacoma is all about either.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 8:07am
NRA press conference is on C-Span 2 right now--already announced they will not take questions.


by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 8:21am
watching online.



nightmare train wreck of press conference.  

god bless the code pink protestors.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 8:22am
"NRA IS KILLING OUR KIDS!"

"NRA HAS BLOOD ON ITS HANDS!"

NRA: the ONLY way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
NRA blames 10 year old first-person shooter internet video game.



by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 8:51am
GOD help us... www.kuow.org/post/religious-leaders-call...


by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 9:22am
When I said the right or libertarian or whatever get away car these crackers is calling themselves nowadays couldn't be reasoned with, I wasn't kidding.

They just want the south to rise again and are living in a completely alternate reality. Which just goes to show how much of all this is between your ears. If we could get a live feed out of one those honky's heads we'd see all kinds of stuff we didn't even know existed. Like SWATing. 

When those high school kids were shot at Columbine and the NRA showed no signs of normal human reaction, I knew that serpent was not going to repent this time either. Reptile brains have but one initiative. So to which we must have only one initiative sad as that maybe for some of these craaaazy crackers.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 9:24am
wonkette.com/494095/nra-literally-blows-...


by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 9:26am
If the School Principal at Sandy Hook was packing heat, 20 young children would be alive today.

by tacoma_1 on 12/21/2012 @ 9:35am


Teachers aren't cops or snipers.  It's a completely different skill set.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 9:39am
People go crazy. Principals are people. There for Principals can go crazy.

Now lets give them a gun and drop your kids unarmed off at their door.

Some honky in congress thinks this is a good idea till that Principal person one day decides his or her life is not going well, and takes it out on your kids. All thanks to the honkies in congress.

Of course the next logical step for the NRA will be to arm all the students.

Where no logic lives, no reason can answer the door. So we just gotta kick these honkies out of the house.

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 9:44am
" It's a completely different skill set."

So principals who have a vast array of skills would be incapable of acquiring this "skill set." Why is that?

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 9:45am
Low bar, principles aren't people. Principals are people.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 9:47am
Doesn't matter if they have room for an extra skill set. Guns have no place in schools. Only crazy people think that. People go crazy. Principals are people. Therefor Principals can go crazy.

Now give them a gun and drop your unarmed children off at their school.

Stupid I phone spell check.

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 9:50am
If the Sandy Hook Principal had been armed then 20 children would be alive today. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me. If you ask the parents of these children if they would have preferred an armed principal to their unarmed principal I'll bet 100% would say YES.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 9:55am
we can't afford to pay teachers, yet conservatives want teachers to purchase expensive guns? 

stop the madness.



by troysworktable on 12/21/2012 @ 9:55am
It is unlikely that an armed principal is going to save students from a crazed shooter.  That assumes they aren't surprised, that their gun is on their person, that's it's loaded and ready to fire, that they can draw it in a matter of seconds (or fractions of a second), that they hit the right person, and that they hit their intended target's torso or head.  Possible but not probable.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 9:56am
"buy more guns" said the organization lobbying for arms manufacturers. 

we need to take the needle of this broken record.



by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 9:56am
Ok obviously the NRA's last days are upon it. And fredo can only think in hypotheticals.

But for the sake of "moderation", lets have some hypotheticals that make sense.

Like the need for a gun safe law.

You can't own a fire arm without also owning a gun safe, and that gun safe should have a number on it, and that number should be registered with the FBI.

If you can't produce a license that states you own a gun safe, then you can't own a gun.

If the Sandy shooter's mother had her sh!t locked up, 20 children and 6 adults would be alive this Kwanza.

Here comes fredo with the hypotheticals. No logic, just hypothetical. Make note of that. Where logic does not reside, reason can not answer the door.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 9:58am
the crazy shooter was armed with a drawn assault rifle and full body armor.     teachers need to be armed with RPGs.


by troysworktable on 12/21/2012 @ 9:59am
Rambo/Terminator big-budget cinematic fantasies for all this Christmas.  You too can take out your enemies without suffering any collateral damage or injury to yourself.  Be a hero just like in the days of olde!

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 10:00am
No. Teachers need to be armed with ghostbuster photon packs now obviously. 


by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 10:00am
no the only way the principal could take out the shooter is if she had detonated a suicide vest...  the explosion would have killed some kids, but also prevented the shooter from taking more lives.   small price to pay but worth it. 


by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 10:06am
to win the war on gun violence, you must become the war on gun violence [play rambo theme music]


by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 10:06am
The problem with the Union is it has a tendency to march like Gen McCLellan on these issues. 


by troysworktable on 12/21/2012 @ 10:20am
That's because we've sold our souls to corporations and lobbyists.  We lack spines.  Politicians won't vote on legislation because it will hurt their numbers in the polls, even if it was an issue on which they ran.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 10:21am
replace school security cameras with machine gun nests.


by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 10:25am
this is my apple, this is my gun... this one is for learning... this one's for fun

^ new teacher training song.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 10:34am
So what are some moderate counter points to the NRA's syphilitic reasoning?

A new tax on guns and ammo so as to fund a program that turns veterans into Campus Marshalls?  

No we don't want the government making jobs, they pay too good.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 10:45am
Well John Kerry is the new secretary of state. He's a back slapper. Maybe now we can push congress through the mud a few feet more feet then we have these past 4.

And there is no reason Kerry can't run again in 2016. Nixon ran so many times it was like a honey bear that the hive just couldn't get to go away before he got to suckle on some combs. Only he liked the taste a little too much.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 10:48am
If more guns are the solution WHY didn't the NRA vp just shoot the code pink protestors to death?


by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 10:51am
Tin foil antenna is picking up a signal on that one. Antenna says its because they's secretly dating.

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 11:14am
The sandy hook teachers were all disarmed and now 20 sweet little children are dead. nobody there to protect them. wow. that's an arrangement that's worth advocating.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 11:21am
The NRA helped the sandy shooter's mom get an assault rifle, now 20 children are dead.

Should she have had a gun by her bed to protect herself from her own son? Should she have had a gun on her hip at all times? The NRA would say yes because that's the kind of world they want for the United States.

Why does the NRA not want to budge on military style weapons? Quite frankly they want to be a military. Their actions are militant. Not but a few weeks ago we had these same honkies calling for a secession.

The thing I find most hilarious is that these honkies have no idea it was their own states rights views that lost them the civil war the first time around. HAHA!

It's not looking good for the NRA. We legislate in this country to save lives.

What if all of a sudden one car company had said back in the day that they refused to put seat belts in their vehicles?

A ban is coming. And there's nothing kooks like fredo can do or say about it.



by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 12:56pm
maybe if the teachers were knocked down to minimum wage, you can use the extra money to buy guns, body armor and anti-personnel mines. 


by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 12:57pm


  I don't think the constitution mentions seat belts.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 1:00pm
Columbine had an armed guard. All your arguments are invalid, fredo. 

The seat belt law is a law. A law is a law. The constitution is made up of laws that lead to the seat belt law.

The NRA doesn't hold the high ground, and their moral maps and compass are outdated.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 1:02pm
NRA death rattle !

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 1:06pm


  The schools put locks on all the doors. I don't remember anyone complaining about the use of public money for this security expense.  

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 1:10pm
Columbine had an armed guard. A guard. A person who's only skill set they need worry about is to stop an attack.

Fredo's wants to add the security guard skill set to a principal's job.

Fredo's doesn't posses the IQ to argue in public and frankly his opinions are dangerous to the future of the safety of the public.

Fredo's thinking is a danger.

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 1:13pm


  A person who doesn't know the difference between PRINCIPLE and PRINCIPAL probably shouldn't be disparaging other people's intelligence.  HOHOHOHO

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 1:14pm
ho what? iPhone spell check doesn't know the difference.

NRA (No Rationality Allowed)



by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 1:19pm


I didn't disparage anyones intelligence, you did.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 1:20pm
Now we are getting off topic. Having intelligence means being able stay on topic. Not in Fredo's skill set. 

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 1:27pm


You brought up Richard Nixon and General McClelland.... and you blame other people for inability to stay on topic.We can all see that your postings are just some sort of perverse performance art.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 1:37pm
Politics is part of the topic. Having intelligence means understanding the McClellan analogy. Not in Fredo's skill set. 

Fredo will not address the counter argument to his argument on arming PRINCIPALS. So he veers off topic.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 1:58pm
videogames!



by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 2:04pm
You know Fredo, I could like you if you liked others enough to think entirely rational and logical about their safety. 


by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 2:15pm
prayer in school!  Videogames!


by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 2:56pm
RR, its a crack up every time I see you use an exclamation point because I hear that RR video voice.

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 3:07pm


you mean "rationally and logically" Mr. High IQ

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 3:13pm


What does GrammarBase say? "Your text like Professor's"

Huh, so I've got the grammar skill set of a Professor.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 3:22pm
Since Fredumbo can't respond to my counter point of his position on arming school principals, and there for must take the discussion off topic, I suppose its fair to go off topic myself.

I would like to start with asking whether Feedtacoma readers feel Fredo's intelligence is above or below the national average.

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 4:48pm
"Your text like Professor's"

Ha ha, that's not even a sentence. It's just a sentence fragment. A sentence requires a verb.

by troysworktable on 12/21/2012 @ 5:59pm
Arming school principals is absurd.  Four Lakewood police officers were murdered in cold blood in an ambush.  They were trained professionals.  It was in their skill set.  Yet they weren't able to take out their assailant.
I don't want more guns.  I want fewer guns.  I don't want my child entering an armed fortress to study.
Gun control doesn't mean taking away all of your guns.  It means limiting the type of guns you can possess.  For example, automatic weapons.  
Other amendments also include limits.  First amendment: I can't run into a crowded theater and yell "Fire!" without ending up incarcerated.  I can't say that I have a bomb when I'm a passenger on a plane.

by troysworktable on 12/21/2012 @ 6:00pm
And as my pastor preached in his sermon on Sunday: "Why are people more concerned about the Second Amendment than the Great Commandment?"

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 6:29pm


Was your pastor asking for someone to engage him in debate or was he offering a rhetorical question? 

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 7:40pm
Really fredumbo? You can't even read sentences! hahaha You not knowing what I was referring to with quoting "You're text like Professor" only points out you couldn't read the sentence before that! Haha! I obviously over rated you. You're even too dumb to know what GrammarBase is!! Hahahaha

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 7:43pm
See what I mean Troy about reasoning with this cancer of our society? You can only beat them at the polls. Pretty sure the rest of America saw that today from the NRA's statement. Lets lick these rebels. NRA: No Reasoning Allowed.

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 7:57pm
  "you're text like professor" 

Does that have a meaning?

by troysworktable on 12/21/2012 @ 8:25pm
Fredo, as you are so fond of asking, it's a YES or NO question: Are you more concerned with the Second Amendment than the Great Commandment?

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 8:35pm
Here's the scariest part:

Those supporting the gun lobby's defense, folks like fredumbo (I don't think fredumbo owns a gun, clearly way too dumb to figure out which end the bullet comes out), and members of the NRA that own more guns then the rest of the planet's population are the ones you would want to have the most intelligence to go along with the most responsibility, but after today's statements and total lack of reasoning its clear we are dealing with a very dumb subset of America. A very dumb and dangerous subset.

I feel for public safety's sake, every member of the NRA should be made by a local judge to undergo an extensive psychological screening and IQ test. I mean, the woman that raised the Sandy Hook shooter, and made sure to take her boys to the range, probably also wasn't a person in opposition to the NRA nor all the power that lobby gave her. Clearly she failed as a parent and failed as a citizen.

How many more like her and her son are out there, we'll never know. But we do know who supports gun rights like she did. And we know they frequent this blog and we know, like that family, they are probably long over due for a psychological screening themselves. And I mean you fredo, in case you were having trouble reading all that English.

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 8:40pm
Amen Troy. 

My wife, a preschool teacher, finds the NRA's solution of arming teachers flabbergasting.



by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 8:41pm


you're text like professor

by NineInchNachos on 12/21/2012 @ 8:42pm
also I think HFW might have her first customer for the render-inoperable gunsmithing service!

Always wanted to weld a gun barrel plugged.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 8:46pm
Troy asked you something fredumbo, or are you too dumb to read a simple Yes or No question? HAHAHA

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 9:11pm
  "Are you more concerned with the Second Amendment than the Great Commandment?"

I'm concerned with both. The second amendment has served our country pretty well for the last 250 years so I'm not ready to throw it out like yesterday's bath water.

by troysworktable on 12/21/2012 @ 9:23pm
I'm not either.  Our great nation can have gun control and a healthy Second Amendment.  It doesn't have to be either/or; it can be both/and.  What is the purpose of an assault weapon?  The name says it all.

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 9:30pm
Well there you have it Feedtacoma. Some people are more alarmed by an inevitable assault weapons ban then 20 children losing their lives. 

I guess dodging that question as only fredumbo could puts in bold relief that man's law is as great as God's law. Who else thought they should be equal with God. Was it lucifer?

>Listen fredumbo. The discussion isn't about getting rid of a 250 year old amendment. It's how do we protect ourselves froms guns that aren't 250 years old. 

by fredo on 12/21/2012 @ 9:34pm


  you're text like professor

by low bar on 12/21/2012 @ 9:58pm
Who you talking to fredo? Someone's ready for the funny farm. Either that or parrots have learned to use the Internet hahaha

by fredo on 12/22/2012 @ 9:10am
We put fire extinguishers in every school to use in the unlikely event of a fire and yet....school teachers don't have a fire fighting skill set. This is terrible, we should remove these fire extinguishers immediately because there isn't anyone in the school building with fire fighting skill sets.

by troysworktable on 12/22/2012 @ 9:18am
Fire extinguishers also don't get paid an annual salary.

by troysworktable on 12/22/2012 @ 9:19am
Fort Hood killings.  A base filled with armed good guys.  Essentially an armed fortress.  13 dead and 29 wounded.

by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 9:20am
lakewood police shootings.  
4 good guys with guns against 1 bad guy with gun.   

Troy is right.   the problem isn't good guys with guns.  the problem is guns.



by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 9:21am
in all civility fredo my friend, you are full of tagro.


by troysworktable on 12/22/2012 @ 9:22am
And what happens when one of these armed security guards snaps and kills the kids and teachers he's charged with protecting?

by tacoma_1 on 12/22/2012 @ 9:33am
Good question, and what happens when a 1st grader brings a toy gun to school?  Is the principal authorized to shoot to kill little Johnny over a toy gun?  That would make PTA meetings a little tense.

by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 9:50am
Sgt. Bales anyone? comics.feedtacoma.com/tacomic/tacomic-jb...

he wore a cape.

by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 9:55am
will it be more easy for teachers to groom students for sex if the teacher is armed?

lets ask Jack Connelly!



by fredo on 12/22/2012 @ 9:59am
"And what happens when one of these armed security guards snaps and kills the kids and teachers he's charged with protecting?"

And what if the teachers plead with a gunman to observe the Great Commandment but he's disinterested and opens fire anyway?

The goal here, it seems to me, is to LESSEN the chance for violence in the school. The goal is not to ELIMINATE ALL violence. There is always going to be a random violent act with some instrumentality. There is no fail safe arrangement. 

by low bar on 12/22/2012 @ 10:46am
Fredumbo doesn't understand how culture influences behavior and actions. Changing gun culture is what will change actions. It's the same reasoning behind what fredumbo's side uses by blaming video games and violence on TV.

But fredumbo's side likes to ignore data and facts.

The facts are that other countries have just as much violence in their video games and TV, just not the access to the assault weapons in them like we do. What is the result?

Result is those countries with no access to assault weapons don't have mass killings like we do. Data proves this. Not some hypothetical that fredumbo comes up with.

Here's a hypothetical. Other countries also don't have a south that is constantly trying to rise again and destabilize our northern way of life anyway that it still can.

by fredo on 12/22/2012 @ 10:58am
you're text like professor

by low bar on 12/22/2012 @ 11:04am
Fredumbo wanna cracker? 


by low bar on 12/22/2012 @ 11:38am
"in all civility fredo my friend, you are full of tagro." -- NIN

NIN are you saying fredumbo is a tagro parrot who just likes to repeat stuff? I'd say there is evidence for that.

Also something that would take the least intelligence.

Fredumbo wanna cracker?




by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 12:36pm
the NRA's vision of America
www.mattbors.com/blog/2012/12/19/lets-ar...



by low bar on 12/22/2012 @ 12:41pm
Don't forget all the bulletproof back backs that have been flying off the shelves.

www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/...

88% of GOP in congress received money from the NRA. The same high amount of GOP constituents are also southerners. Are we starting to see how the south is trying to destabilize our northern way of life? I think the numbers or rates or anything you want to call the data supports the hypothesis.

by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 1:19pm
just listened to a story on NPR  (kuow.org)  about the history of the NRA.  all through the 1920's up till 1970's the NRA focused on hunting and the outdoors... they helped craft gun control laws..helped to get rid of tommy guns and concealed weapons..  in the 70's the moderates in the NRA wanted to remove themselves from politics and move the HQ out to the mid west  however hardliners became alarmed an hijacked the leadership.  NOW a days the NRA fights to reverse laws they themselves helped write. 

www2.kuow.org/program.php?id=25305

by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 1:25pm
here is what I listened too.. 
www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Day+6/ID/2320230...

hyper-interesting



by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 1:33pm
there are indeed moderate members of the NRA, but the leadership is hardline and uncompromising.  LIGHTYEARS from moderate. 


by low bar on 12/22/2012 @ 2:19pm
The new NRA management has an agenda, and money. Lots of it. Probably due to lots of tax loop holes. And all that money was just sitting there, and when the old NRA wanted to remove that money from politics what happened? Something, I am thinking like a necromancer, moved in to cast a new leadership and make sure the money could NEVER leave politics.

Can't wait to see Ashley Judd send McConnell packing in 2014 too.

by JesseHillFan on 12/22/2012 @ 4:52pm
O.K. so possessing a fully automatic (select fire) assault rifle is illegal in this state.Well so is owning a operational physics package (primary fission initiator).The difference is that if you possess and can operate a physics package you become the law by the rule of might makes right and the laws of the universe which is superior to that of the laws of man.Just kidding.

by NineInchNachos on 12/22/2012 @ 8:22pm
It's time to take matters into our own hands....  WITH MODERN ART!

i.feedtacoma.com/NineInchNachos/now-offe...



by JesseHillFan on 12/23/2012 @ 3:02pm
Another Tacoma death due to firearms.She charged at a Tacoma Police Officer with a handgun in her hand.www.komonews.com/news/local/Woman-with-g...

This is a lesson never point a weapon at a Police Officer when close up.If you're say 5 miles away and you can see them but they can't see you well that may be illegal but there is a difference between doing something illegal and getting away with it.Firearms (Guns) are bad Lasers,Particle Accelerators (directed radiation energy),Microwave weapons,Sonic weapons  and Special Weapons (Nuclear) ordnance are good.In other words if you win it's good if you lose it's bad.My theory is not to hurt anyone rather be the first kid on your block to rule the world.

by low bar on 12/23/2012 @ 3:13pm
Good. One less crazy gun owner. You HAVE to be crazy to charge a cop. How many more crazies are out there?

This may be a good way to find and get rid of them. 

by JesseHillFan on 12/24/2012 @ 6:56am
I don't wish the death of anyone really as that diminishes us all.Especially tragic over the holidays too for their families.Too bad that she wasn't committed instead and got the help that she needed.

by low bar on 12/24/2012 @ 11:41am
Just glad that crazy didn't take anyone with her. Then more families would have been affected. Selfish nut cases. 


by daubermaus on 12/24/2012 @ 12:32pm
Lowbar - you are an ass who aperantly can't read what others post and just ascribes your own bs spin to shit.
I voted for Obama, the writer of the strip.
Jinx is not white he's asian/carpathian so quit being a douche with the liberal whitey blaming shit.
I am not white I'm NDN and roma so quit being a douche with the liberal whitey blaming shit.
We live on the Puyallup Rez in he poorest neighborhood in Tacoma.
We have had swat show up at our door on a false claim years ago - excuse me if it is something we NEVER want to deal with again.
Someone has called our house 3 times since you made your fucking petty threats (which you made again aftr Jinx left) and laughed about clipping feathers. 
We do not own "assualt" riffles of any kind.  Hell, we don't own anything modern.  And in reality it's none of your business what we own.
Jinx is Libertarian in the old school form of Jolene Unsold not the modern form of asshat Ron Paul.  Maybe if you read what he posted you would have noticed.  He graduated from Evergreen, how much more liberal do you want?
You have totally alienated and burned him out on drawing O&J for me.  I write them.
I see no point to these forums and reading the posts as you guys all pat yourselves on the back and race to the farthest corner of Left-wing you can reach.  You just keep celibrating the deaths of people you don't like it makes you look sooo sane.
Yeah, I won't be reading any follow-up here...
chy
 

by low bar on 12/24/2012 @ 4:42pm
You have no proof that anyone called your house. You are creating spin.

You want Feedtacoma to become an echo chamber for Libertarians?

If you don't own any assault weapons then what on earth are you worried about?? The center arguement is on control of assault weapons. So if you agree with the center argument, then what is it with all these knee jerk reactions to the debate?

I'll tell you whats up with your knee jerk nonsense. You have a knee jerk reaction because you are a radical who thinks any debate on gun control is going to turn us into Communists.

NEWSFLASH. Communism didn't even work where it was invented in Russia. How is it going to work here? It's only going to work here in your radical imagination.

Feedtacoma is not an echo chamber and if you can't hold your arguments here and choose to flee then you are only proving that you don't want to have a debate.

You only want to hear the echo of your own radical thoughts on your 2nd amendment rights.

All the while not even considering that you may be abusing your 2nd amendment rights.

And of course you won't be reading any follow ups here. You only want to hear the echo of your own thoughts.

by NineInchNachos on 12/24/2012 @ 7:07pm
greatest Tacomic thread of all time. 


by NineInchNachos on 12/24/2012 @ 7:56pm
Fredo said he voted for Obama in the first election too.

how bad can he be?

by NineInchNachos on 12/24/2012 @ 7:58pm
also for what it is worth, Charlize Theron is African American.

by low bar on 12/24/2012 @ 9:00pm
Well, Bowling for Columbine is on TV and I watched it twice today.

Makes you wonder what goes into our specific American recipe for disaster.

Canada has the same amount of guns in their homes and violence on TV as we do, but no where near the gun crime, slums or gang activity.

Canadians don't have a media or social media, filling their heads with nonsense. They don't have a Rush Limbaugh. They don't have a market for a Limbaugh.

Yet somehow America has always had a market for oddity. A flavor for the incredible. A minute to stop and listen to some dude on a soap box. Perhaps a product of the 1st amendment. Or a promotion of it.

After watching Ken Burns documentary series on New York, it's apparent that we have a strange dog eat dog national identity. Our story of how we settled this land is different from others. And then add to it that we've become, largely due to geography, the worlds top dog super power. Its a unique global position.

We have more of a picking order as a result of our dog eat dogness. And the media feeds off this pecking order and reaffirms it. Our financial institutions support this pecking order. Culture reaffirms the pecking order. It's survival of the fittest, only because we are perpetuating this natural instinct to have social stratification.

We have a mild version of the caste system. Which is why so many of us who become successful, also become very self centered because it's a struggle to succeed. Once you've made it, it's easy to join the wolf pack of millionaires that don't give a rats ass about any of the lesser successful. Because the hard work that went into building a successful business it so great. And its a hell of an ego boost when you succeed.

But some people just snap under this pressure to succeed. To grow up, figure out who they are, and how the whole thing works and in the process overcome their limitations or what they perceive as limitations. Then add assault weapons to the mix.

So the problem is, how do we get all these different types of personality, at all the various levels of success and failure, a code to live by, a law, that suits all their needs or their perceived needs.

Maybe you won't need a gun if you don't perceive that you need one. When people perceive they need a gun, gun sales go up.

Mass shootings make gun sales go up. When the government announces plans for a gun control act, weapon sales go up.

So what decreases these American perceptions, these American mistrusts?

Charlize Theron in a thong?

I would say that's a good place to start.

by JesseHillFan on 12/25/2012 @ 10:08am
Even if you successfully defend your life with a firearm it can be a heavy legal liability.Many times a victim defender can him/herself become a victim of the legal/tyranny system.
For the past 3 months I have had bad problems with thug vandal school children trying to break the windows out of my house with rocks (I have an outer screen which somewhat protects them).One window however is thick plexiglass after a Vandal incident 3 years ago.I have even been verbally threatened by those thug gang kids too (threats of vandalism, obscenities and even a burglary threat as well).I have to be legally very careful and defend in ways legal or not provable if not..It's been an ongoing battle especially because of juvenile laws (they can practically get away with anything and an adult can't even legally grab or strike a vandal child).Did you know that someone before the age of 9 can't legally be charged with a Felony crime due to a 19th century U.S. Supreme Court decision.Hypothetically a U.S. President could be assassinated by someone 8 years of age and that youth assassin child couldn't be convicted of any Felony.However if a U.S. Supreme court member became such a victim I am sure that 19th century decision about juviniles would likely be quickly reversed.Worse yet it's been difficult to find out where the thug vandal gang kids live as they flee after their attacks to nearby apartment complexes though at least I know where some of them flee to.If I knew exactly where they lived I could either have a chat with their parents,sue them (parents) for harassment or else retaliate against their (rental) parents though the only thing of value they probably own is probably their vehicles. I have called the police several times but essentially they won't do anything.I am now more worried about getting arrested for dialing 911 for calling them about being harassed.I am not the only victim of their attacks though as a lady down the street and a nearby neighbor was also harassed.However I have discovered which school they go to (which is a plus).Also the worst of them was I believe expelled from the school bus after throwing a rock breaking the buses back window a week or so ago.There are covert means of dealing with thug kids however.Like Trojan Horse tricks and powerful electromagnetic waves which scare the crap out of them.Sometimes seeing a hurt/injured thug gang child can bring a smile to ones face though I prefer peace and brotherly love.Only if we had just laws like in those Asian countries that lash.whip bad thug people/kids.Corporal punishment works best and modern U.S. legal methods are a complete and utter failure.Many times people can only be corrected in their misbehavior by pure physical punishment/pain which is a sane method used by numerous civilizations for thousands of years.It's a proven workable method. Our legal system punishes the peaceful defender and encourages the attacker perpetrator.It's a badly flawed and unjust system.

by NineInchNachos on 12/25/2012 @ 10:35am
when they say 'trick or treat' they're not kidding about the tricks!


by JesseHillFan on 12/25/2012 @ 11:08am
Here is a thug juvenile murderer who recently murdered again due to bad laws/court decisions.. www.komonews.com/news/local/1dead-1-woun...
Had he been righteously and justly punished for his first murder there wouldn't be another murder victim.I wish we had a system to where those that cause failures were held responsible like lawmakers/courts who should be held personally responsible for the deaths/losses of others.Perhaps like a Roman system of decimation to punish the official for his failures.

by low bar on 12/25/2012 @ 3:23pm
I've changed my mind. We don't need fewer guns. We need fewer lies in the media. And more innovation.

After watching Bowling for Columbine 3 times in a row, the only distinctions I can find that cause America to have more gun crime is our highly volatile economy and our penchant for misleading campfire stories.

Innovation through law and technology could make a difference. Having a gun safe law attached to assault rifle ownership may help to let gun owners keep their self defense weapon of choice while making sure they realize it must be secure at all times.

I've found that most accounts of bed side self defense weapons for home invasion include fire arms that don't have calibers above .380 due to the round having the least chance of penetrating walls, and hitting other members of the family in the event of a shooting within the home. The .380 round appears to have enough penetration to stop a home invader, but is significantly slowed down by denser matter such as a wall.

So there isn't a real strong case for needing a AR-15 for bed side home defense in most scenarios where a family may be caught in the cross fire.

One thing I've found that the United States benefits from by having assault weapons available to the public isn't to give that public a feeling of safety that they can fight against their own government.

The US government benefits from having its citizens armed with assault weapons because it sends a message to any force that would make the mistake of crosses the waters to attack our shores. They will be having to fight through not only a powerful military, but also a public that is already armed and quite dangerous.

So the only government your average gun nut, who bought an AR and got all the accessories to make themselves feel like a GI Joe, will ever face in battle, will be a foreign government trying to invade their Puyallup crows nest.

Unfortunately the 1st amendment allows for a chronic infection of our
television and internet media and social media with outright
misinformation and lies. And there is no way around this besides having
faith that some journalists out there pick truth over dollar signs.

I would say that we need to explore what the effects are on national mental health to hear confounded rants from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck. We need to explore whether the 1st amendment is vulnerable to abuse.

The one thing its seems that both sides, left and right, have the most in common is their distrust of the media. I think this is a common ground where both sides can agree needs some amending.

The result may be less of a knee jerk reaction to events like Sandy Hook, as well as knee jerk reactions over all. We seem to be a people who shoot first and ask questions later and I think we need to slow our roll in the media.

After reading a good number of reports I can't find anything that says that mass killings are on the rise.

Canada has just as much access to AR's as we do, yet they have fewer, if not any, mass shootings.

I would venture to say that their mental health systems work better and they have less shock jocks on the air. This probably makes them a society with less of a hair trigger.

I mean hearing these guys spout libertarian propaganda on the air day in and out can't be good for someone's mental health.

 











by fredo on 12/25/2012 @ 3:52pm
"We need to explore whether the 1st amendment is vulnerable to abuse"
Your postings have established such a vulnerability.

by low bar on 12/25/2012 @ 4:03pm
So have yours fredo. So have yours. Have you not forgotten many think you have the IQ to be COINTELPRO? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In fact, I would say you only responding to that assertion and nothing else I wrote speaks VOLS.

by fredo on 12/25/2012 @ 5:59pm
"In fact, I would say you only responding to that assertion and nothing else I wrote speaks VOLS"

Is it common for people with high IQs to forget that a sentence requires a verb?

by low bar on 12/25/2012 @ 6:03pm
Dunno. But people with high IQ's probably are able to write posts with multiple paragraphs instead of just one or two sentences.

See fredumbo? The more I respond to you, the dumber I get. HAHAHAHA

by fredo on 12/25/2012 @ 9:01pm
Mr. low bar, you are text like professor.

by low bar on 12/25/2012 @ 9:26pm
fredo wanna cracker?


by cisserosmiley on 12/26/2012 @ 8:08am
Maybe try this one.

by low bar on 12/26/2012 @ 12:44pm
If you own a gun please don't go off them Ciss.

by cisserosmiley on 12/26/2012 @ 1:09pm
Here's a link to a "teen esteem" group therapy. Maybe if you felt better about yourself you wouldn't have to lash out against the grown-ups.

by low bar on 12/26/2012 @ 1:13pm
So you've got nothing to add to the discussion Ciss? Why would you take it off topic? Are you being controlled by that giant antennae on your head? hahahhaha

Ok lets go off topic again!!





by cisserosmiley on 12/26/2012 @ 1:20pm
Ok, low bar  sucks because of too many reasons to list.

by low bar on 12/26/2012 @ 1:23pm
And Ciss needs to look if he can find some anti ad hominem pills in his LONG meds list.


by cisserosmiley on 12/26/2012 @ 3:07pm
I have listed 0 personal attacks on you.  Try this for paranoia & mental tics.   This particular one is dangerous for older people, but a 17 year old has little extra risk so you're OK. 

by low bar on 12/26/2012 @ 3:26pm
Who's keeping count? Sounds a little paranoid to be keeping count of stuff.

Do you have any treatments for going off topic? Take 2 and get back to this thread in the morning.

Back on topic.

The answer isn't more guns. The answer isn't less guns.

The answer is less sensationalism in our media. When companies buy out news stations to turn them into ratings machines, something is wrong.

Other countries do this too, but don't have the same access to guns. Yet people still do stupid things in other countries.

Its when you have both Glenn Beck ranting in one ear, and Rush Limbaugh ranting in your other, and a gun in both hands, that things can get a little messy.

Hope your antennae isn't picking up Glenn Beck, Ciss. Talk about paranoia radio.

I think the film Network pointed our conundrum out best. And its a miracle not more mass shootings occur. If anything, the infrequency and lack of pattern to mass shootings indicates America has its head screwed on tight most of the time. And data points out that there is no rise in mass shootings.

First mass shooting in America happened in 1949, also the year TV was introduced to the USA.

by cisserosmiley on 12/26/2012 @ 4:04pm
All of that is SUPER dumb, low-bardumbo. This forum is for "contributors" Please change who you are.

by NineInchNachos on 12/26/2012 @ 4:07pm
the more we squabble and nip at each other, the more guns the corporations supporting the NRA can sell; profiteering from the deaths of our children, sisters, brothers, friends, room-mates...

Be the change!  #HUGPILE




by low bar on 12/26/2012 @ 4:18pm
So Ciss has this highly intellectual rebuttal:

"All of that is SUPER dumb, low-bardumbo."

Anyone notice the irony?

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA







by low bar on 12/26/2012 @ 4:30pm
I've changed my position on the NRA and guns, RR. I do think we need a specific law for AR owners. Serial number stamped and registered gun safe or lockable rifle racks, registered with the FBI. AR owners need a more tangible realization of the responsibility they have, unlike the Sandy Hook shooter's mom, who obviously didn't have her AR locked up. If you can't lock up your AR people hunter, you can't have one.

This new buy back idea of Sen. Feinstein would be a waste of money otherwise that could go to a mental health probation program. I point to the gun man who recently shot those fireman. Obviously his probation after being released from prison the first time for shooting his own grandmother didn't include the necessary mental health probation.

When soldiers get multiple misconducts they are MADE to go see mental health. 

I am not seeing the kinds of discussion our politicians need to be having. A gun ban won't stop some one from doing something crazy, but it might stop them from doing something crazy with an AR.

The first ever mass shooter in American history used a Luger pistol. That was 1949. Same year TV was introduced to the masses. Corporations backing the NRA aren't the problem.

Corporations sponsoring Rush Limbaugh and every other half wit abusing the right to free speech need a light shown on them. Most of what Limbaugh spouts is pure factless meritless brainwashing.

by NineInchNachos on 12/26/2012 @ 4:34pm
I like the idea of mandatory gun insurance too. 


by low bar on 12/26/2012 @ 4:40pm
Great point. 


by NineInchNachos on 12/26/2012 @ 4:46pm
also tried watching Raiders of the Lost ArK at the inlaws house on cable. .   so many dang commercials!  How do regular people watch TV anymore?   TV is so OVER. 

by low bar on 12/26/2012 @ 4:51pm
When MTV stops playing music videos and only broadcasting reality TV, something is wrong. More like RTV now.

There is always going to be a market for tripe, but that doesn't mean we should tap into it for profit. Same reason we don't have Big Bird carry a gat up and down Sesame Street.

Some broadcasters like PBS, aren't bought out by corporations...yet. 


by JesseHillFan on 12/28/2012 @ 9:38am
Here is a good gun that any convicted Felon and Mentally ill person can have.Are you certifiably insane? No problem. 
It doesn't much noise either so it would be ideal at night time when you don't want to wake up the neighbors or have the police called.Fun for getting rid of night time pests (even the large upright ones) in your neighborhood.www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlxcFSq5k8c

by NineInchNachos on 1/2/2013 @ 8:12am
via chris britt...

www.tacomaweekly.com/editorialcartoons/1...

www.tacomaweekly.com/editorialcartoons/1...

also NPR is going to have a update to the Stand Your Ground laws with new research showing that gun violence actually goes up in states with new Stand Your Ground laws.  Stay Tuned!



by cisserosmiley on 1/2/2013 @ 8:19am
That cartoon is ok, but it's just commentary without innovation or provocative notions. The kids could have been shooting one another, but that would have insulted some folks...making it good...

by NineInchNachos on 1/2/2013 @ 3:03pm
Last week's On the Media  is one not to miss.. www.onthemedia.org/2012/dec/21/


"Bob talks to Adam Winkler, author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms In America, who says there was a time, relatively recently, in fact, when the NRA Supported gun control legislation, and the staunchest defenders of so-called "gun rights" were on the radical left. "

www.onthemedia.org/2012/dec/21/untold-st...


" In his book Columbine, Dave Cullen revisited that soul shattering school shooting 13 years ago. He tells Bob that our story of that event is largely frozen in early misreporting."

www.onthemedia.org/2012/dec/21/how-myths...

also...

www.onthemedia.org/2012/dec/21/speculati...

and..

www.onthemedia.org/2012/dec/21/interview...

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2013 @ 12:25pm
Update!

trade in your gun for $$$

kplu.org/post/seattle-gun-buyback-plan-t...

use that money to buy a dog for safety and companionship



by KevinFreitas on 1/8/2013 @ 1:44pm
Wow, that's great news. Thanks RR! Have you seen this gem? boingboing.net/2013/01/07/piers-morgan-i... Hard to watch.

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2013 @ 1:49pm
Alex Jones is a member of the tinfoil hat militia 


by low bar on 1/8/2013 @ 5:07pm
Well at least Jones is part of a militia. In that he's obeying the 2nd. Other then that he didn't behave stable enough to not raise the question of who's too batty to own.

Jones could not keep his cool under pressure of the media spot light. But of course it was just all an act to get a base motivated to financially support his sermon.

Alex Jones might be crazy, but more crazy like a fox at this point.                    


by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2013 @ 5:40pm
crazy people should not own guns


by JesseHillFan on 1/8/2013 @ 9:45pm
^ I agree crazy people should own crossbows instead.

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2013 @ 8:12am
this just reinforces the stereotype that the NRA is ruled by a bunch of insanely evil jerk-wads 

www.npr.org/2013/01/09/168926749/nra-vow...

Enjoy!   It is a story that also originates from Arizona so you get the Boycott Arizona double-jeopardy bonus++

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2013 @ 8:43am
You are watching an organization suffer a nuclear lobotomy in real time.


by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2013 @ 9:31am
come on NRA, you should sue Seattle too! www.kuow.org/post/seattle-hold-first-gun...


STAND YOUR GROUND!

by cisserosmiley on 1/9/2013 @ 10:19am
Arizona peephole will never get better if we bully them. It's time to be a friend NOT a bully to Arizona.

by cisserosmiley on 1/9/2013 @ 10:19am
Arizona peephole will never get better if we bully them. It's time to be a friend NOT a bully to Arizona.

by NineInchNachos on 1/14/2013 @ 7:14am
a change is gonna come

www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/01...

www.npr.org/2013/01/14/169305334/politic...



by NineInchNachos on 1/14/2013 @ 8:49am
if only they would have spent their money on a pitbull instead of guns!

zombpocalypse.cartoonistsleague.org/2013...

but here is a more realistic take on gun buy back programs...

www.npr.org/2013/01/12/169209919/gun-buy...

by low bar on 1/14/2013 @ 12:17pm
People (aka the high risk group) using guns at home is social Darwinism. I don't believe the tax base as a whole should be stressed for the remedial actions of a few. Guns just bring in too much MUCH NEEDED revenue.

Now, results from gun injury on medicare could be a greater stress on the tax base then a gun ban. I guess you'd have to really look at the math.

I guess in the meantime you just have to hope that when some high risk moron uses a gun at home, there are no survivors that will need healthcare.

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 8:23am
Comrades!

the NRA is now a full-throttle toxic brand.  

wonkette.com/497155/nra-why-does-uppity-...





by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 8:42am
www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/01/16/...


by low bar on 1/16/2013 @ 1:11pm
NRA has NO idea how to reason bi-partisanly. But its probably bc they don't feel they need to. They have that "ABSOLUTE POWER" edge to their attitude, which the next step of that kind of power is TYRANNY.

Don't ban weapons, or accessories or ammo. LEVY THE EVER LIVING CRAP OUT OF THEM, and use the revenue PROGRESSIVELY, as in to fund school security. And fund civil psychological testing. You want the power of a police officer? You need to get screened like a police officer. Cops can't be everywhere, and neither can their judgement if one can't judge as an officer of the law.

Consumer fees applied. Everyone is happy (besides gun nuts of course that feel they MUST go to the range 250 times more often then military members even do).

by cisserosmiley on 1/16/2013 @ 5:18pm
Is there any "gun abstinence" programs around? Teens could wear a bullet to remind them not to eradicate other students.

by low bar on 1/16/2013 @ 5:27pm
The reality is NRA is behaving exactly like the Westboro church. Utter lack of empathy. Sure signs of psychopathy and sociopathy when they release an assault weapons phone app ON THE EVE of the one month observance of Sandy Hook. An app that is targeting kids and teens. What does the app do? You get to virtually rattle off an assault weapon. Talk about an Orwellian world creeping in. 

by JesseHillFan on 1/16/2013 @ 5:44pm
We should be promoting Kevlar Vests with Ceramic inserts as regular street wear rather than firearms.

by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 6:26pm
"gun abstinence"  you mean Quakers?  


by NineInchNachos on 1/16/2013 @ 6:27pm
the NRA has outlived their usefulness on our planet.  It is time for them to start considering self deportation to secret colony on the dark side of the moon.  


by JesseHillFan on 1/16/2013 @ 6:59pm
We should replace the old National Rifle Association with the new National Raygun Association.High power Sonic and Ultrasonic radiation,Microwave radiation,Laser radiation,X-Ray Radiation and higher up on the electromagnetic spectrum those Particle Accelerators/Atom Smashers with proton and neutron radiation.Has to be radiation that affects human health so I'm leaving radio wave radiation out.

by NineInchNachos on 1/18/2013 @ 7:38am
I like the idea of regular sanity review. 

www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st...

maybe your sanity should be reviewed and renewed regularly like car tabs? 



by NineInchNachos on 1/21/2013 @ 8:36am
"The massacre in Newtown has sparked a national debate about gun control.
But usually, when a child falls victim to gun violence, it’s not in a
comfortable suburb, and its coverage is confined to the metro page."

www.onthemedia.org/2013/jan/18/harms-way...



by JesseHillFan on 1/21/2013 @ 9:40am
We have a sniper or snipers in Tacoma taking shots at motor vehicles (fortunately not at non motorists yet though).Maybe another John Allen Mohammad and Lee Boyd Malvo.Fortunately no one has been killed or injured yet.Just another psycho sociopathic gun nut.blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2013/01/20...

by low bar on 1/21/2013 @ 12:01pm
Unchecked TBI's can make you do weird shit. 


by NineInchNachos on 1/21/2013 @ 12:04pm
the answer is more cars with guns, not less.


by JesseHillFan on 1/21/2013 @ 3:36pm
Oh Oh another one.Lots of local gunfire on MLK day.www.thenewstribune.com/2013/01/21/244400...

by NineInchNachos on 1/25/2013 @ 7:53am
free ya mind

www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/01...



by NineInchNachos on 1/25/2013 @ 10:38am
Pierce County spokes person Ed Troyer illustrates the ease of 'suicide by cop'  if you're silly enough to spray paint some nerf guns black... (via facebook)

"Some guns look scary when they are not. Some toy guns can be made to look
scary. So it's not about how scary the gun looks but it's capabilities
and who's hands they are in. These are the same toy nerf guns, just
painted black on one side. We have these at our Toys for Tots warehouse
as an example."


before:




after:




by NineInchNachos on 1/25/2013 @ 10:40am
what if a criminal were to spray paint military assault rifles  day glow green and orange I wonder?


by JesseHillFan on 1/25/2013 @ 2:43pm
You're a criminal mastermind RR.Also paint the tip of the barrel of a real assault rifle florescent orange too just like the toy guns.Perfect for an upcoming Valentines Day for a big red Valentine message massacre.
When I was 6 years old I fondly remember my Thompson Submachine Gun cap gun back in the 1960's (no colored tips then and yes it was black.My brother had a Mattel M-16 cap gun.

by troysworktable on 1/28/2013 @ 8:47am
"Confessions of a Liberal Gun Owner" - www.nytimes.com/2013/01/28/opinion/confe...

"But in the weeks since Newtown, I’ve watched my Facebook feed, which is
dominated by my coastal friends, fill up with anti-gun dispatches that
seemed divorced from reality. I agree it would be nice if the world had
exactly zero guns in it. But I don’t see that happening, and calling gun
owners “a bunch of inbred rednecks” doesn’t do much to advance rational
discussion."

Even though I would personally like to see fewer guns in circulation, I agree with the sentiments of this NYT article's author. Once we start giving up rights granted in the Constitution and the corpus of law created in its wake, they are nearly impossible to get back. It's better to leave them be.

That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be limits and regulations, but decisions establishing both should be made by those with clear heads and clean hands. Emotion doesn't well serve such discussions, with much of this thread as evidence of the same.



by NineInchNachos on 1/28/2013 @ 8:56am
again nobody wants to take away uncle billy-bob's hunting rifle. 
However, the time is nigh for common-sense, idiot proof, gun control for dummies.

there is a gun-owner-gone-crazy-shooting story on the radio almost every week now.



by low bar on 1/28/2013 @ 11:45am
To Troy's point. The Constitution provides gun rights to militia men only.

I would argue we should control guns for all not registered with a militia, thereby promoting the formation of militias at the local level. An added benefit of having a healthy amount of militias is to further divide the power share, as well as increase our pool of national security man (and women) power. Should the wet dreams of the tin foil hat self fulfilling prophet ever materialize into reality, its a good to have a place C for what to do if we totally burn through our federal defense forces.

Here is the punch line: Turn the Nation Rifle Association into the National Rifle Agency. The NRA already is part of an iron triangle, why not give them the same power and recognition as an agency? Doesn't this go back to the Categorical Imperative? Because as it stands, the NRA's agenda to help increase the sale of guns falls drastically outside of Kant's categorical imperative. NRA simply doesn't give a rats ass about the 2nd. To them the 2nd means more money can be made.

by KevinFreitas on 1/28/2013 @ 12:03pm
Thanks for sharing that link @Troy. I think emotions are valuable in, well, helping us mark where our values lie and what's truly important. From there, however, I think emotions should inform, first, what the problem is then, second, let logic/research/etc. find a path to a solution to that problem.

In this case...

Problem: Disturbed individuals can mow down many people in one go.
Solution(s): Get people better access to help AND make it harder for one gun/person to shoot as much without needing to reload.

by JesseHillFan on 1/28/2013 @ 4:10pm
School under lock down after woman seen with a pink rifle.Ha Ha RR gave criminals a tip.blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2013/01/28...

by NineInchNachos on 1/28/2013 @ 8:31pm
the horror. 


the  horror....


www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/nyregion/horr...



by NineInchNachos on 1/29/2013 @ 7:15am
today on NPR the story of a citizen with a gun confronting the Tacoma Mall shooter and the reality of those type of confrontations...

www.npr.org/2013/01/29/170456129/armed-g...



by troysworktable on 1/29/2013 @ 8:46am
The reality of the situation is that someone stepped outside of a "normal" response and acted as hero. Perhaps the same result would have happened if McKown had confronted the shooter sans gun. We won't know because we can't "replay" or "restage" the "scene."

"What you want to do is interrupt their thought process," says Mark
Lomax, executive director of the National Tactical Officers Association.
"Once you interrupt their thought process, then it buys time."

Who is willing to act as unarmed hero against an armed mentally-ill individual?

by NineInchNachos on 1/29/2013 @ 8:49am
MacGyver? 


My take away was that the NRA is selling a dangerous fantasy that if you carry around a gun long enough you'll be an all-american hero like in the Die Hard movies, but the reality is much more harsh... for there was a good guy with a gun and the bad guy with the gun was unstopped.

by JesseHillFan on 1/29/2013 @ 9:03am
Not a good idea to get into a gun battle without a Kevlar vest and ceramic inserts either..

by troysworktable on 1/29/2013 @ 9:08am
But the good guy with the gun did stop the shooting, at the cost of his own health (and potentially, although it didn't happen here, his life). The other takeaway is that he did confuse the shooter and likely spared others injury and/or death.

I understand the reality is harsh. But if we don't have those in our society who are willing to flaunt social norms and rules, for the good of the order, then those who flaunt social norms and rules, for the ill of the order, in some sense, win. We call the former "heroes" and the latter "villains."

And, don't get me wrong, I'm not calling for a group of heroes in the sense of comic books or movies, both of which distort the notion of hero, but for those willing to place the good of all before their own skin. McKown did that. Are there any politicians willing to do the same?

No change will come without someone willing to lead. It may mean placing a political career in the ground to move forward.

by NineInchNachos on 1/29/2013 @ 9:35am
I agree that confusion is your best weapon.  The 'good guy with a gun' could have saved money and pointed a banana at the shooter with the same result.


by NineInchNachos on 1/29/2013 @ 9:36am
What would Phoenix Jones do?


by troysworktable on 1/29/2013 @ 9:45am
Phoenix Jones is just as problematic as the Die Hard films. He begins to believe in his own glory, his own triumph, his own hype. He becomes schtick, if he isn't there already. He is an old-fashioned snake oil salesman. Phoenix Jones is about promoting and selling Phoenix Jones. He doesn't break social norms as much as he plays into schoolboy fantasies of saving the princess a la Donkey Kong and nabbing/jailing the bad guys, a la Batman comic books.

by NineInchNachos on 1/29/2013 @ 1:14pm
great bit on Phoenix Jones recently...

www.kuow.org/post/jon-ronson-discusses-h...

by NineInchNachos on 1/30/2013 @ 8:07am
Every gun deserves a mother and a father!

Read
more here:
blog.thenewstribune.com/street/2013/01/2...


by NineInchNachos on 1/31/2013 @ 8:47am
solutions!

www.npr.org/2013/01/31/170727522/gun-hea...

www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/01/31/17070...



by NineInchNachos on 1/31/2013 @ 1:47pm
does this help?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6T_5NMCLR4

RR ANDERSON PRESENTS THE SINGING TACOMIC!



by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2013 @ 7:40pm
NRA has released their enemies list...

nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?I...





by JesseHillFan on 2/2/2013 @ 7:28pm
Wow Norman Lear is a great guy and a patriot.He was in my fathers bomb group (same squadron as well) too during World War II.Shame on you NRA.

by low bar on 2/3/2013 @ 9:37am
NRA hit list: American Bar Association. You'd think lawyers would want more guns on the street. Just in: former Navy SEAL takes a 223 round point blank on a shooting range trying to help a veteran.

Is it ok for veterans to just be put out to pasture after their service to the country? Maybe a nice camping trip? Must we put a rifle back in their hands here at home?

The VA encourages us vets to not take the war home with us, and some of us get that. Home is where we need to chill and think about getting a piece of land and a few goats or something, not load up on guns and head to the range. Unless that gun is Airwolf and we are going to use it to blow up oil drums in a Universal Studio's back lot.

Seriously, take a vet fly fishing for god sakes. Teach them how to play the cello and not worry about their lost brothers.

NRA isn't very smart. Invasion of privacy and defamation suit comes to mind with their list of celebrities. All of whom can afford collectively to bring the NRA to trial.

by NineInchNachos on 2/3/2013 @ 9:56am
they're going after MacGyver !


by low bar on 2/3/2013 @ 3:19pm
NRA is toast. Sandy Hook kids sang at the Super Bowl. 

What are they going to do now? Add the entire NFL to their most hated list?

Hate and guns. Not a winning combination.

by NineInchNachos on 2/19/2013 @ 10:28am
PBS will save us from the madness

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijXtIcwmYfw

www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/arts/televisi...



by NineInchNachos on 2/26/2013 @ 8:25am
the less you know!

www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/26/what-rese...



by NineInchNachos on 2/26/2013 @ 8:33am
boingboing.net/2013/02/26/firearms-scien...


by NineInchNachos on 3/11/2013 @ 8:36pm
i smell chicken

www.thenewstribune.com/2013/03/11/250874...



by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2013 @ 8:07pm
A Senate in the Gun Lobby's Grip


By GABRIELLE GIFFORDS

Published: April 18, 2013



WASHINGTONSENATORS say they fear the
N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared
to the fear the first graders in Sandy Hook Elementary School felt as
their lives ended in a hail of bullets. The fear that those children who
survived the massacre must feel every time they remember their teachers
stacking them into closets and bathrooms, whispering that they loved
them, so that love would be the last thing the students heard if the
gunman found them.On Wednesday, a minority of senators
gave into fear and blocked common-sense legislation that would have
made it harder for criminals and people with dangerous mental illnesses
to get hold of deadly firearms - a bill that could prevent future
tragedies like those in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va.,
and too many communities to count.Some of the senators
who voted against the background-check amendments have met with
grieving parents whose children were murdered at Sandy Hook, in Newtown.
Some of the senators who voted no have also looked into my eyes as I
talked about my experience being shot in the head at point-blank range
in suburban Tucson two years ago, and expressed sympathy for the 18
other people shot besides me, 6 of whom died. These senators have heard
from their constituents - who polls show overwhelmingly favored
expanding background checks. And still these senators decided to do
nothing. Shame on them.I watch TV and read the papers
like everyone else. We know what we're going to hear: vague platitudes
like "tough vote" and "complicated issue." I was elected six times to
represent southern Arizona, in the State Legislature and then in
Congress. I know what a complicated issue is; I know what it feels like
to take a tough vote. This was neither. These senators made their
decision based on political fear and on cold calculations about the
money of special interests like the National Rifle Association, which in
the last election cycle spent around $25 million on contributions,
lobbying and outside spending. Speaking is physically
difficult for me. But my feelings are clear: I'm furious. I will not
rest until we have righted the wrong these senators have done, and until
we have changed our laws so we can look parents in the face and say: We
are trying to keep your children safe. We cannot allow the status quo -
desperately protected by the gun lobby so that they can make more money
by spreading fear and misinformation - to go on.I am
asking every reasonable American to help me tell the truth about the
cowardice these senators demonstrated. I am asking for mothers to stop
these lawmakers at the grocery store and tell them: You've lost my vote.
I am asking activists to unsubscribe from these senators' e-mail lists
and to stop giving them money. I'm asking citizens to go to their
offices and say: You've disappointed me, and there will be consequences.People
have told me that I'm courageous, but I have seen greater courage. Gabe
Zimmerman, my friend and staff member in whose honor we dedicated a
room in the United States Capitol this week, saw me shot in the head and
saw the shooter turn his gunfire on others. Gabe ran toward me as I lay
bleeding. Toward gunfire. And then the gunman shot him, and then Gabe
died. His body lay on the pavement in front of the Safeway for hours.I
have thought a lot about why Gabe ran toward me when he could have run
away. Service was part of his life, but it was also his job. The
senators who voted against background checks for online and gun-show
sales, and those who voted against checks to screen out would-be gun
buyers with mental illness, failed to do their job. They
looked at these most benign and practical of solutions, offered by
moderates from each party, and then they looked over their shoulder at
the powerful, shadowy gun lobby - and brought shame on themselves and
our government itself by choosing to do nothing.They
will try to hide their decision behind grand talk, behind willfully
false accounts of what the bill might have done - trust me, I know how
politicians talk when they want to distract you - but their decision was
based on a misplaced sense of self-interest. I say misplaced, because
to preserve their dignity and their legacy, they should have heeded the
voices of their constituents. They should have honored the legacy of the
thousands of victims of gun violence and their families, who have
begged for action, not because it would bring their loved ones back, but
so that others might be spared their agony.This
defeat is only the latest chapter of what I've always known would be a
long, hard haul. Our democracy's history is littered with names we
neither remember nor celebrate - people who stood in the way of progress
while protecting the powerful. On Wednesday, a number of senators voted
to join that list. Mark my words: if we cannot make
our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every
means available to make sure we have a different Congress, one that puts
communities' interests ahead of the gun lobby's. To do nothing while
others are in danger is not the American way. Gabrielle
Giffords, a Democratic representative from Arizona from 2007 to 2012,
is a founder of Americans for Responsible Solutions, which focuses on
gun violence.



by NineInchNachos on 8/20/2013 @ 7:22am
Let's make this happen in WA 

www.npr.org/2013/08/20/213546439/one-by-...