SELF-HELP: Most Troubled Base in Military, Joint Base Lewis-McChord

Darryl the G.H.E.Y. Owl is Back!
posted Mar 8, 2011
Tacoma, Tacomic, Joint Base Lewis-McChord, War Crimes, Troubled, Darryl, OWL, Campaign to save Young People
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I got to thinking about this cartoon the day Mayor Strickland mentioned Joint Base Lewis-McChord [making Tacoma more attractive to service members] in her State of the City address.  A good strategy! But is it safe? Let's be honest, leadership at Joint Base Lewis-McChord is failing our young people in new and terrifying ways. Now, I used to think ALL military bases were like this, right? Just one of those small prices to pay for the big federal military dollars coming into the state... suicide, rape, murder, drunk drivers, etc.  But then Our friendly neighborhood Joint Base Lewis-McChord was hit with 'Most Troubled Base in Military' badge of distinction by the official military newspaper Stars and Stripes.  The terrifying actions of our fighting young people in Washington State were NOT considered normal... OUR BASE IS THE WORST OF THE WORST! A big problem, and hello, not a god damn thing is being done about it!  THE TIME IS NOW for a media blitz public relations push that our young people can wrap their heads around... Darryl the G.H.E.Y. Owl proved a success to lower murder rates in our public schools, why not call him up for selective service?  It's worth a shot.  Help Darryl spread the message to JUST SAY NO TO...  

  1. WAR CRIMES: Civilian Kill Teams, Corpse Mutilation, War Trophies, etc
  2. Suicide by Cop (they're trained to KILL mentally ill people who point guns at them, and it is very inconsiderate thing to force them to do).
  3. Water-boarding Children for Educational Purposes
  4. Killing Teenage Girls with Drug Overdoses
  5. Murdering Adulterous Husbands, their wives, attempting to dissolve corpses in a bathtub and kidnapping the couple's infant baby child (the TACOMIC is looking at you Ivette Gonzalez Davila, not cool).
  6. Robbing Banks
  7. Child Sex Trafficking
  8. Drunk Driving and then Jumping off the Narrows Bridge
The problems seem daunting, but it's nothing some elbow grease, proper gun safety training and rigorous P.T.S.D. mental health care treatment can't fix!  And no more ding dang domestic spying on anti-war groups!  Ever stop to think that maybe this ENDLESS WARS deal is part of the problem?   

Mysterious Signal from Space

by NineInchNachos on 3/8/2011 @ 2:10am
YES move to Tacoma! Lakewood/Parkland is making you crazy!

by NineInchNachos on 3/8/2011 @ 2:19am
...and you'll never see this in the fucking Volcano or City ARts!

That's value.

by cisserosmiley on 3/8/2011 @ 2:58am
geeez, what can a soldier do? what the fuck is volcano and city arts? i would like to see "robbing banks" removed

by The Jinxmedic on 3/8/2011 @ 7:12am
Yep. Count me in with the baby-killers.

by STFU (See the Future Unveiled) on 3/8/2011 @ 7:15am
This is brilliant.

by NineInchNachos on 3/8/2011 @ 7:44am
now now, this is not about labeling anyone a baby killer... this is about helping young people make the right choices. THOU SHALL NOT... etc. but updated for our modern TEE VEE culture sensitivity.

by jenyum on 3/8/2011 @ 7:58am
I do think there would be less domestic issues at JBLM if 18/19 year old wives weren't left in Lakewood and Parkland when their husbands deployed. I have not seen any good come of that. We need some kind of GI Bill for spouses of soldiers to keep them occupied with something other than making huge drama for their spouses when they come home. (With more than enough issues of their own, thanks.)

er... none of that is meant to excuse domestic violence in any way. I've just seen too many of these marriages follow a short script to implosion.

by NineInchNachos on 3/8/2011 @ 8:16am
good suggestion though, 18/19 year old child brides should be avoided by everyone.

by cisserosmiley on 3/8/2011 @ 11:21am
should we re-locate 18, 19 year old brides to the north end?

by NineInchNachos on 3/8/2011 @ 11:28am

Hey didn't the north end used to have a convent?

by cisserosmiley on 3/8/2011 @ 11:52am
i lived in b'ham in the 90's and the baby M's(mariners minor league team)each spring they would ask the community to house ball players. let this 19 kid live in your basement-good for baseball - let this 19 year old military wife live in your basement - good for A M E R I C A !

by NineInchNachos on 3/8/2011 @ 12:17pm
OK so we've got 'hiding 18 - 19 year old war brides in north end basements' I'd like to come up with at least maybe 4 - 9 more recommendations for the Mayor's JBLM tacoma task force.


by smeall on 3/8/2011 @ 12:54pm
idea #2: attach child care centers to local bars, offer free child care on "military night".

by cisserosmiley on 3/8/2011 @ 1:01pm
tacoma could annex parkland, spanaway, and lakewood...then use military might gained in recent annexation to force residents of those areas to be bigger hippies...

by jenyum on 3/8/2011 @ 2:01pm
In all seriousness a "psychology for families of returning soldiers" class would not be a terrible thing.

by NineInchNachos on 3/8/2011 @ 2:05pm
end the war in Afghanistan & Iraq.

by NineInchNachos on 3/10/2011 @ 8:07am
please don't tell me MLK day terrorist nazi bomber was Ft. Lewis Alumni ...

dang it!

by JesseHillFan on 3/10/2011 @ 5:16pm
O.K. folks it's Camp Lewis & McChord Field.
Let's be honest with ourselves do away with the Department of Defense and bring back the good old War Department.

by NineInchNachos on 3/21/2011 @ 12:59pm
Photo Gallery: The 'Kill Team' in Afghanistan

by NineInchNachos on 3/23/2011 @ 3:26pm
Jesus. Christ.

by NineInchNachos on 3/25/2011 @ 10:33am

by NineInchNachos on 3/28/2011 @ 1:46pm
tacoma mentioned in Rolling Stone!

by cisserosmiley on 3/28/2011 @ 3:25pm
this article makes it seem like these guys were all neighborhood dudes from tacoma's local stryker brigade...i am not protesting, just noting that it is a little misleading

by NineInchNachos on 3/28/2011 @ 3:27pm
fo real, JBLM isn't even IN tacoma

by The Jinxmedic on 3/28/2011 @ 5:21pm
I hate joint basing.

by NineInchNachos on 3/28/2011 @ 5:27pm
6 degrees of palin!

by NineInchNachos on 4/6/2011 @ 2:13pm
Jesus! what is your major malfunction soldier ?

by NineInchNachos on 4/7/2011 @ 11:02am

by NineInchNachos on 4/7/2011 @ 11:17am

by jenyum on 4/7/2011 @ 12:08pm
A horrible story, but we may never know what happened. Gastric bypass surgery could be to blame more than PTSD, we just don't know.

by NineInchNachos on 4/21/2011 @ 4:15pm

If you or someone you know is suffering from PTSD, try and avoid snorting "BATH SALTS"

you WILL go out of your mind.

by NineInchNachos on 5/5/2011 @ 1:00pm
troubling art of the day:

by NineInchNachos on 5/10/2011 @ 4:46pm

How much does the army pay out for Afghanistan Citizens they kill by mistake? $2500 each?

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2011 @ 8:46am
"A Stryker brigade squad leader was well aware of schemes in his platoon to murder Afghan civilians last year, but it was unclear whether he took any steps to put those plans into action, witnesses testified Wednesday."

Read more:

by NineInchNachos on 6/27/2011 @ 10:58am
maybe if the Weekly Volcano had less of an emphasis on self-medicating with alcohol....

and more information about getting real help...

by low bar on 6/27/2011 @ 1:31pm
yeah the volcano's constant 'get fucking drinks everywhere' 'hey there's a happy hour here' emphasis isn't helping. but what else are they going to use to cover up the lack of substance there? they know where the money is at.

it would be fun to trace a dollar, from taxes, to a soldier's pay, to a bar or something else the volcano get's paid to advertize, right into the pocket of someone who owns a weak alt weekly and is renting one of those fucking condo's every hates seeing go up around town.

and somewhere in afghanistan a kid hops around on one leg and one arm. but you don't see that shit in the spew.

by CaptainBritton on 6/27/2011 @ 5:22pm
There is/was a recent pilot program aimed towards alcohol abuse treatment at JBLM, but nobody on base can tell if it's working or not because it's completely anonymous. Is there accountability to the taxpayers if the multi-million dollar treatment program is completely non-reportable?...How can they effectively treat Soldiers if admitting to having a problem can get them dishonorably discharged?

by NineInchNachos on 6/27/2011 @ 7:27pm
catch 22 ?

by CaptainBritton on 6/27/2011 @ 8:00pm

Here's the story...

by NineInchNachos on 6/27/2011 @ 9:31pm

by NineInchNachos on 6/27/2011 @ 9:57pm
The Fort Lewis Ranger does post helpful articles though. Did you know today is PTSD awareness day?

by NineInchNachos on 8/8/2011 @ 7:53am

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2011 @ 4:55pm
war is hell and it's turning our young people insane.

"The Army last week reported that more soldiers killed themselves in July than in any previous month over the past two years, suggesting that the military still has many challenges in delivering psychological care to veterans.

Joint Base Lewis-McChord has not yet released its own report of confirmed suicides this summer. Several troubling accounts have appeared in recent weeks in Puget Sound media outlets, but it's not yet clear whether the base south of Tacoma is experiencing an abnormal number of suicides. It has recorded nine suicides in each of the past two years."

Read more:

by low bar on 8/15/2011 @ 6:35pm
I don't think war necessarily is too blame for soldier suicides in and around Tacoma. I think it's how fucking ignorant the majority of the population is the further south from Seattle you get. Even the alt weakly Volcano is grossly ignorant in comparison to other alt weaklies around the country. I'd kill myself too if the area I lived in didn't have proper outlets or proper coverage of alternative lifestyle outlets for not just returning troops, but also the general population. How fucking alt is your alt weakly when 50% of the coverage is about shitty ass bars and dumb ass redneck bullshit, or wannabe gangster rap trash scenes? The Volcano has to go.

by NineInchNachos on 8/15/2011 @ 7:18pm
Hey, thanks for your service low bar, and thanks for sticking around !

by low bar on 8/15/2011 @ 10:44pm
And thank you for not being the Volcano, RR

by NineInchNachos on 8/16/2011 @ 12:26am
broken link (above)

by NineInchNachos on 8/17/2011 @ 1:02pm

by NineInchNachos on 8/22/2011 @ 9:02pm
poor lady.

by NineInchNachos on 8/29/2011 @ 12:33pm
I love that lady!

by NineInchNachos on 8/29/2011 @ 3:34pm
she is awesome

is that kings books???

by NineInchNachos on 8/29/2011 @ 3:40pm

by NineInchNachos on 8/29/2011 @ 4:03pm

by NineInchNachos on 8/30/2011 @ 10:49am
She made it on Democracy Now!

Army Ranger Widow Confronts Rumsfeld over His Lies that Convinced Her Husband to Join the Military

by NineInchNachos on 9/7/2011 @ 2:42pm

"Detectives arrested 22-year-old Timothy Hartbeck and 27-year-old Stephan Bardos on rape charges. Both are stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord."

Read more:

by JesseHillFan on 9/8/2011 @ 12:00am
My biggest complaint against JBLM is that I feel our armed forces is obsolete technologically.
Manpower come on that's like the Calvary.
For instance if we wanted to defeat an enemy country we could redirect deep space asteroids to offensively wipe out the enemy choosing the equivalent TNT tonnage to smite the enemy with plausible deniability (the impact event was a natural "act of God").Instead of the exorbitantly high and wasteful cost of military personnel we could replace these antiquated forces with a U.S. Space Force and better technology.

Here is a much smaller event not big enough to do a proper job though.

Obviously the Chicxulub asteroid would be too large of an impactor (more of a very effective worldwide doomsday weapon) and would have many more magnitudes of force easily over all of mankind's entire world thermonuclear force.Instead a proper chosen asteroid could be picked for the right gigatonnage TNT equivalency and it's trajectory could be modified to hit exactly where we want it to hit.
When done right it's just obviously a God smiting some country or people that he doesn't agree with.
In other words instead of the dim offensive in Afghanistan use a Hernan Cortez like psychological mythology (Quetzalcoatl) attitude to quench any enemies after a supposed extraterrestrial natural event had obliterated anyone in a certain very large region.Much better than thermonuclear weapons.
It was a natural event.Oh too bad it must have been an act of one of the God's angry at someone.
Our military should be in the 23rd century.What's with all the antiquated legacy military crap.

by low bar on 9/8/2011 @ 9:45am
That could work

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2011 @ 9:54am
yes. Asteroids are 'green' too

by NineInchNachos on 9/21/2011 @ 9:22am
Go Coffee Strong!

by low bar on 9/21/2011 @ 8:09pm
Move the base(s) to eastern WA. Like middle of nowhere. No good goddamn reason for them to be that close to civilians. 

by NineInchNachos on 9/26/2011 @ 8:13am

also... nice tats!

by NineInchNachos on 10/31/2011 @ 1:14pm

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2011 @ 9:35am
denial is not just a river in egypt TNT/Volcano


"Joseph tagged you in a post.

Joseph wrote: "Here's the ridiculous response from the Tribune's editorial board regarding the LA Times piece (, which referred to JBLM as a 'base on the brink'. Perhaps the Tribune's editorial board would like to talk to the police about the 24 incidents involving soldiers with weapons, or the friends and family affected by the increasing mental health epidemic at JBLM. Or perhaps, they'd like to continue hiding behind their shoddy reporting, and cheerleading of military affairs, in order to stay in the good graces of the base command. I'm thinking of writing a response to this garbage. What say you, sage of Tacoma humor, RR Anderson?"

by low bar on 12/29/2011 @ 11:33pm
They need to move the base to eastern WA, seriously. I know it's nice to be that close to a port but when we shipped out from Fort Campell, there wasn't a fucking ship, or a city we could fuck up in, in sight. All that crap got loaded on trains and we still put a frown on Allah down range a month later. JBLM is way too close to all the other fuck ups around the south puget sound. When you are in, you just need to keep focused on work and family without all the god damn noise along the I-5 corridor. If you look at all the other active duty bases on a quick turn around deployment cycle, none of them are plastered in a corridor like that. They're greatly in the middle of nowhere, which sucks for the young guys, but its good too because they'll fuck up an NCO's life like no one's business.

by NineInchNachos on 12/30/2011 @ 8:11am
thank you sir!  Always interesting.

by NineInchNachos on 12/30/2011 @ 8:19am
Will be interesting to watch the career arc of our newly hired City Manager as well.  Previous experience working in the City of San Antonio Texas which has a large military population too was credited in part with landing him his new job.  

by NineInchNachos on 12/30/2011 @ 9:29am
record JBLM suicides
I blame the volcano!

by NineInchNachos on 12/30/2011 @ 1:58pm
interesting comment via COFFEE STRONG facebook group in reaction to above link... 
 Greg Miller 1:50pm Dec 30 

The Army is creating its own problems here. Not always, but frequently enough, the "relationship and financial challenges" soldiers face are problems of their own making. The Army lets very young soldiers get married and then pays them more, essentially doubling their income if they're E-4 or below. They get to move out of the barracks, which is a fairly miserable existence, and they generally set about buying things they can't afford because they've got all this money and no sense of responsibility because they're 19 or 20 and have no life experience prior to the Army. The Army makes it easy by encouraging family as a value, and offering these seemingly abundant and free services that make it so easy and fulfilling to be married and have kids.

Being so young, their judgment is usually not what it should be, and they marry the wrong person, or just marry too young in general, in my opinion. They're young kids playing house, and usually have a kid/kids in short order, followed by a deployment. Unfortunately there are also women who have a kid/kids who want to marry a soldier for a meal ticket and insurance. Not long after this happens, they're all immediately covered under Tricare. Young soldiers don't set themselves up to be financially prepared for an adult life of marriage and kids, they don't have the relationship or life skills to deal with these things, and the brief, ineffective training soldiers get on fiscal responsibility at basic training apparently does nothing for them, because I see this typical, young, married, in debt, irresponsible, problematic-relationship soldier all the time at work.

Dysfunctional relationships abound in the Army, and people get stuck because they've created this life that now after a few years, they can't afford to support if they leave the Army. The Army is filled with people who don't want to be there. They're either not sure why they joined, they're stuck because they can't afford to get out, they don't believe in the job they're doing to some extent, whether they admit that to themselves or not, and after a few years this relationship that was started without a solid foundation is festering. This creates an exponential amount of stress for them both at home and especially while deployed. They have someone back home who's either spending their money or feared to be cheating on them because neither one wants to be in the relationship any more.

You may be wondering how I can be so sure of all this, but in the Army you get to know people pretty well. I'm describing a majority of the young late teens and 20-something soldiers that I know. When you pile the issues of a deployment on all of this, it's just too much for people. This is why soldiers have domestic violence problems, or act out at work. Even though the Army is raising enlistment standards again, for years, they've been lowered to the floor. You have an organization full of felons, people who only stopped using drugs long enough to pass a piss test and people with pre-existing mental problems that were only let in to fill the meat grinders in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I don't understand who I have to tell this to or why the Army is surprised by all of this. You can't have two wars for the wrong reasons, let in a bunch of people who aren't there due to a true sense of purpose for the Army's work (because we don't have a war going on that generates this in people) and then ask them to bear not only the burden of deployment, but also the burden of serving in an Army that's run about as dysfunctionally as it can be with problems like toxic leadership, hazing and abuse, and sexual assault/rape.

by low bar on 12/30/2011 @ 2:20pm
Yeah E1 to E4 ruin all the fun for everyone else by fucking up and getting caught. They're so dumb. When my dad was in the Army they still had beer and cigarette machines in the barracks...a functioning alcoholic freedom force....real A team personality types....then along came the X generation or generation slacker or xbox whatever you want to call whats filling the ranks now and no wonder shit is out of control. Its not the army, its the fucking xbox generation. They are fucking up more things in the country besides the military. I was stationed at San Antonio for my medic training. Yes...a ton of idiots got in trouble there. Half the company was doing iron mikes around the CTA after every weekend leave. But Fort Sam Houston isn't training killers on top of that shit. Fort Bragg, Fort Campbell, and Fort Benning well as Fort Lewis, only Fort Lewis is the one smack dab in the middle of I-5 civilian idiot traffic.

by NineInchNachos on 12/30/2011 @ 2:24pm
"if all else fails lower your standards"  my english teacher used to have that bumper sticker on his podium 

by low bar on 12/30/2011 @ 2:37pm

by Maria on 12/31/2011 @ 1:37pm
The News Tribune had a good op-ed piece today about a non-profit that mobilizes communities to support veterans with things like community internships, volunteering and mentorships.

Perhaps there's more we can do as a region to give service members and their family members social and emotional support. Family, marriage and parenting help, mental health counseling that's not connected to their units/commanders, meaningful ways to reconnect to stateside and civilian life. Not just relying on JBLM to be the one developing programs. I know United Way was involved in some possible initiatives, but not sure what happened there.

The cool thing about this article is that groups like this are not handing out "charity" but rather recognizing veterans' skills and placing them in positive opportunities.

"...For example, in Baltimore, a Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom veteran mentored players as a head coach in a nonprofit football league focused on enriching the lives of underprivileged youths and increasing access to college scholarships. At the St. Louis Science Center, a combat engineer suffering from traumatic brain injury due to wounds in Iraq is now introducing schoolchildren to the pathology of the brain. At an education center in Nashville, an Army signal specialist who once established communications networks in Kabul, Afghanistan, is now teaching English language skills to immigrant and refugee populations..."
Fexample, in
Baltimore, a Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom veteran mentored players as a
head coach in a nonprofit football league focused on enriching the
lives of underprivileged youths and increasing access to college
scholarships. At the St. Louis Science Center, a combat engineer
suffering from traumatic brain injury due to wounds in Iraq is now
introducing schoolchildren to the pathology of the brain. At an
education center in Nashville, an Army signal specialist who once
established communications networks in Kabul, Afghanistan, is now
teaching English language skills to immigrant and refugee populations.

Read more here: example, in
Baltimore, a Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom veteran mentored players as a
head coach in a nonprofit football league focused on enriching the
lives of underprivileged youths and increasing access to college
scholarships. At the St. Louis Science Center, a combat engineer
suffering from traumatic brain injury due to wounds in Iraq is now
introducing schoolchildren to the pathology of the brain. At an
education center in Nashville, an Army signal specialist who once
established communications networks in Kabul, Afghanistan, is now
teaching English language skills to immigrant and refugee populations.

Read more here: example, in
Baltimore, a Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom veteran mentored players as a
head coach in a nonprofit football league focused on enriching the
lives of underprivileged youths and increasing access to college
scholarships. At the St. Louis Science Center, a combat engineer
suffering from traumatic brain injury due to wounds in Iraq is now
introducing schoolchildren to the pathology of the brain. At an
education center in Nashville, an Army signal specialist who once
established communications networks in Kabul, Afghanistan, is now
teaching English language skills to immigrant and refugee populations.

more here: example, in
Baltimore, a Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom veteran mentored players as a
head coach in a nonprofit football league focused on enriching the
lives of underprivileged youths and increasing access to college
scholarships. At the St. Louis Science Center, a combat engineer
suffering from traumatic brain injury due to wounds in Iraq is now
introducing schoolchildren to the pathology of the brain. At an
education center in Nashville, an Army signal specialist who once
established communications networks in Kabul, Afghanistan, is now
teaching English language skills to immigrant and refugee populations.

Read more here:

by Maria on 12/31/2011 @ 5:05pm
Sorry, cut and paste glitch. Not sure why that happened...

by NineInchNachos on 1/3/2012 @ 12:58pm

by JesseHillFan on 1/3/2012 @ 1:07pm
Anything less than a .50 BMG round is a plinker for kids.

by low bar on 1/4/2012 @ 9:23pm
I mean, there is literally no where to chill after work for the I Corps. Its best for soldiers to live only like 30min from work, but what surrounds Fort Lewis in a 30min radius? Total impacted bullshit. There is literally thousands of triggers a soldier must endure to and from the base. 

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2012 @ 8:38am
probably nothing to worry about

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2012 @ 1:01pm
go coffee strong!

by NineInchNachos on 1/13/2012 @ 12:25pm

every now and then "hey guys, remember not to pee on dead people."  as a friendly reminder.

by low bar on 1/13/2012 @ 12:49pm
And then you wonder why stripmallville I-5 corridor of soul death doesn't just fix everything for them when they get home. Isn't empathy on sale at Bed, Bath and Beyond? Perhaps when they visit their favorite gangsta rap artist playing both victim and victimizer at the tacoma dome it'll lift their spirits:)

by NineInchNachos on 1/13/2012 @ 12:56pm
humanity can be a casualty of war.

by low bar on 1/13/2012 @ 1:12pm
Walmart made them piss on those bodies. We've rolled back the prices on our morals. They went into the field and brought the horror with them we all see day to day around us here at home. We are all subject to the horror. But that doesn't mean you can stone your wife to death for fucking the neighbor and keep your head in 1492 ADmastan. Unless of course 50 cent tells you it's ok.

by NineInchNachos on 2/21/2012 @ 9:44am
Looks like somebody at JBLM is reading the Tacomic

by NineInchNachos on 3/11/2012 @ 4:21pm
I heard this on NPR this morning.  Was all 'wonder if that guy is from JBLM."   

by low bar on 3/11/2012 @ 7:25pm
Looks like the Tacoma method has made its way overseas

by NineInchNachos on 3/12/2012 @ 8:28am

by NineInchNachos on 3/12/2012 @ 8:50am
they made it on boing boing!

by NineInchNachos on 3/12/2012 @ 9:17am

by L.S.Erhardt on 3/12/2012 @ 9:21am
I propose we disbandon the military.
It's the only reasonable solution at this point.

by NineInchNachos on 3/13/2012 @ 9:08am

firing squad? 

by jenyum on 3/13/2012 @ 3:09pm
Oh my lord. 

by NineInchNachos on 3/13/2012 @ 3:54pm
awesome week for JBLM 'most troubled base' meme

by cisserosmiley on 3/13/2012 @ 4:07pm
I saw a Russian tv interview yesterday where the journalist asked the professor "is there something in the water near JBLM?"

by NineInchNachos on 3/13/2012 @ 4:09pm
Asarco ?     Puget Sound matte of mystery algae ? 

by NineInchNachos on 3/13/2012 @ 4:10pm
Weekly Volcano  poisoning minds and causing mass insanity  ?

by cisserosmiley on 3/13/2012 @ 4:34pm
Dog doo? City of Tacoma wants you to flush your doggy doo in the toilet so it won't filter into drinking water. CONSPIRACY ALERT!

by NineInchNachos on 3/13/2012 @ 4:38pm

by NineInchNachos on 3/14/2012 @ 11:40am
NY Times

by Maria on 3/15/2012 @ 1:39pm
Good opinion piece in the News Tribune (from the Washington Post) today about the toll of war...10 years of conflict now. Some soldiers, bearing the brunt of a smaller military, have done 4 or 5 tours in two battlefields, with very short breaks.

The author doesn't excuse the solider from personal responsibility or blame the military. Just a making the point it's a terrible cost to keep asking the same men and women to spend that much time in a place of extreme stress.

The horrors of intimate killing, along with other factors such as
fatigue, thirst, hunger, isolation, fear of the unknown and the sight of
dead and maimed comrades, all start a process of moral atrophy that
cannot be reversed.

by Cheechmo on 3/15/2012 @ 3:45pm
Maria, although I agree with almost all of the above, that author's point isn't exactly a revelation. Also, I fail to see how we have been at war with a "smaller military" when we've added over 100,000 Army + Marines personnel since 2000. Or are you comparing to something else?

There is no longer a reason for us to be over there, if there even was a legitimate reason to begin with. Our country would be so much better off if we hadn't spent all of the bacon and eggs that we have on stupid wars. Bring our soldiers back.

by low bar on 3/15/2012 @ 11:46pm
And build more waffle houses

by Non Sequitur on 3/16/2012 @ 12:09am
The PTSD, mental and physical disabilities among the armed forces is going to get a whole lot worse once the bombs start flying across the Straits of Hormuz.

by Maria on 3/16/2012 @ 1:26am
Cheechmo: Maria, although I agree with almost all of the above, that author's
point isn't exactly a revelation. Also, I fail to see how we have been
at war with a "smaller military" when we've added over 100,000 Army +
Marines personnel since 2000. Or are you comparing to something else?

I just thought he was making a good point that 4 or 5 tours of duty was excessive, seeing as in Vietnam, many did only one tour. You're right, though, that many others have spoken out about this. I suppose the Post offered him space in the paper due to the recent incident, the increase in violence among troops and the statistics on suicide which have gotten worse over the past couple of years.

I honestly have no idea how many troops we have, and whether the number overall is up or down.

I do live very close to Ft. Lewis, so my interest is more personal. Two neighbors of mine are deploying this month, one deployed two years ago (he's back, and they got transferred to Hawaii), and one deployed last year and will be returning soon (this is his fourth tour, I think). My "auntie's" husband was in Iraq with the civil service, and two other friends' sons are deployed. All this news make me feel concerned for these people I love and care for.

by NineInchNachos on 3/16/2012 @ 8:31am
can any responsibility be placed on the Fort Lewis Ranger or Weekly Volcano? 

by low bar on 3/16/2012 @ 10:53am
@NIN i think so...because who would want to come back to a place that can't do any better then the volcano?i'd chose jail over that as well. that's why i'm in olympia. that SSG lives in a Kardashian world though. Tomorrow we are going to be more worried about Kim's butt implants, and of course $5 dollar gas. Thanks OPEC, you're lucky we don't haul off and frag all of you Shahs of Sunset (produced by ryan seacrest, you know, they guy who got kim jung ill's ashes dumped all over his satanic ass at the oscars this year). 

by NineInchNachos on 3/16/2012 @ 8:31pm
go go news tribune!

looks like the family has gone into hiding.  Probably a good idea.  Lake Tapps of all places.  also this is interesting from facebook: TNT soliciting people who know the family to call in... and then taking offer down after avalanche of anger

by JesseHillFan on 3/16/2012 @ 10:09pm
Oh boy that house will probably either explode or burst into flames.The authorities should be watching closely.

by low bar on 3/17/2012 @ 12:13am
Anyways, E6 in eleven years as a combat arms soldier is not exactly high speed. He could have easily reclassed to something less meatheadish in that time frame. surprising not to see more marines melting down in the news. maybe it's their shorter deployments. but looks like the army has some real winners in its ranks still. nothings changed. 

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2012 @ 8:22am

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2012 @ 12:28pm
TNT wants you to know they're asking the tough questions.

by L.S.Erhardt on 3/19/2012 @ 12:41pm
Disband the military.

That or get the troops out of the 100+ countries we have no business being in.

by The Jinxmedic on 3/19/2012 @ 1:55pm
I no longer comment on any of these "military" threads, as it has become apparent in recent months that my observations based on direct personal experience have no bearing in our little electronic community. Stay classy, FeedTacoma friends.

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2012 @ 1:59pm
that is a complete fiction! 
I'm dying to hear what you have to say.  Both you and the Mrs. 
LAY IT ON US comrade!

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2012 @ 2:01pm
for example,  how does this make you feel ?  
"Muslims kill because they hate freedom, white Americans kill for complex reasons we should strive to understand and address seriously." ~ Matt Bors

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2012 @ 2:11pm
without commentary the terrorists win!

by The Jinxmedic on 3/19/2012 @ 4:45pm
I will share my observations in a real world environment. Come meet me at a bar or something, and I will be happy to share. It's that easy.

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2012 @ 5:07pm
how does that help our home viewing audience?  For the kids!

by cisserosmiley on 3/19/2012 @ 8:57pm
@The Jinxmedic, please reconsider.

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2012 @ 10:34pm
spill it!  for BEAN TOWN!

by NineInchNachos on 3/19/2012 @ 10:40pm
for example.  I read this an feel numb inside.   I imagine an abyss of sadness, but with a pioneer spirit of you gotta pick yourself up and keep moving else be devoured by the nothing.  What does it all mean?  Why does it have to mean anything?  shrug.

by low bar on 3/20/2012 @ 1:07am
heres what i don't get. its war, you can't just write a letter to the afghans unless everyone is prepared to write letters to everyone in afghanistan because this stuff happens all the time. doesn't matter if the rounds that killed those people were 5.56 or 7.62. if you can write condolences for one family you better prepare to write everyone because they all deserve it there in afghanistan. no one i know here has beef with anyone there. its these fat fucks in DC and a bunch of backwards ass zealots in the kabul mountains that are having the issues. were talking probably about 100 men in power positions making a few million lives horrible. so why don't those fuckers that have beef with each other just go at it with swords in a fucking arena and leave us and the rest out of it. its fucking retarded. i don't give a rats ass if i pray 5 times a day and if your women agree to live their lives in 1492 AD. I need free health care and education for America and I need the fucking corporate well fare to stop yesterday. 

by The Jinxmedic on 3/20/2012 @ 6:59am
Re: contribution on military and similar topics in electronic forums. You mention "for the children". For example, when I suggest a proven real-world educational program to help keep children safe, I am ridiculed for my opinion.
Meet me for dinner or drinks somewhere and I will be happy to share. Not here.

by cisserosmiley on 3/20/2012 @ 7:36am
JBLM soldier who murdered all the afgani children also stole a million $$$ from an elderly couple

by NineInchNachos on 3/20/2012 @ 8:28am
thought this was kind of bad ass:

"But the victims became a footnote, an anonymous footnote. Just the number 16. No one bothered to ask their ages, their hobbies, their aspirations. Worst of all, no one bothered to ask their names.

In honoring their memory, I write their names below, and the little we know about them: that nine of them were children, three were women.

The dead:
Mohamed Dawood son of Abdullah
Khudaydad son of Mohamed Juma
Nazar Mohamed
Shatarina daughter of Sultan Mohamed
Zahra daughter of Abdul Hamid
Nazia daughter of Dost Mohamed
Masooma daughter of Mohamed Wazir
Farida daughter of Mohamed Wazir
Palwasha daughter of Mohamed Wazir
Nabia daughter of Mohamed Wazir
Esmatullah daughter of Mohamed Wazir
Faizullah son of Mohamed Wazir
Essa Mohamed son of Mohamed Hussain
Akhtar Mohamed son of Murrad Ali

The wounded:
Haji Mohamed Naim son of Haji Sakhawat
Mohamed Sediq son of Mohamed Naim

by NineInchNachos on 3/20/2012 @ 8:33am

could bath salt have been a factor?

by NineInchNachos on 3/20/2012 @ 11:51am
does the army still use firing squads?

by low bar on 3/21/2012 @ 12:37am
yep thats why i got out because the ranks are full of filth 

by JesseHillFan on 3/21/2012 @ 3:50am
My father left the armed forces after WW2 because he hated war (seeing many of his comrades killed) and made us (kids) promise not to join the armed forces unless of course we were drafted.He volunteered (some months after the Pearl Harbor attack) just because he recognized that he would be drafted anyways.He did become an officer and a combat pilot and completed all of his missions/sorties.I dislike undeclared wars and think that the armed forces should go back and have the war department revived rather than the department of defense. 

by NineInchNachos on 3/21/2012 @ 1:03pm
Search for reasons risks excusing Afghan killings

by L.S.Erhardt on 3/21/2012 @ 1:16pm
"spill it!  for BEAN TOWN!"

Wait... what?

by NineInchNachos on 3/22/2012 @ 8:21am
kind of fun...

damage control or memory wipe?

by NineInchNachos on 3/26/2012 @ 8:43am
psycho killer, kiss the same

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2012 @ 9:00am

by NineInchNachos on 7/5/2012 @ 9:03am
well saving a little money is better than nothing. 
any word on the suicides?

by NineInchNachos on 7/31/2012 @ 9:45am
Most Troubled Base in the Military

Johnny Comes Marching Home, Just say NO  HuRah!

by JesseHillFan on 7/31/2012 @ 1:38pm
Don't they drug test soldiers and airmen ?If not they should do it on a monthly basis.I can see that someone would test positive for opiates if they ate poppy seed muffins or bread though as the seeds contain morphine.Though I think that they should be investigated further if the tests prove positive.

by low bar on 7/31/2012 @ 4:10pm
You get drug tested all the time but meth only stays in your piss for 3-5 days. I def could have gone for some meth on patrol lol. F*ck airmen, they have planes if they want to get high;)

by JesseHillFan on 7/31/2012 @ 4:30pm
I've heard that USAF Pilots were prescribed amphetamines too though my father was never given those back in WW2 with the USAAF.They were used often by the German Armed Forces though.

by Cheechmo on 7/31/2012 @ 5:32pm
Getting high with Hitler

by NineInchNachos on 8/13/2012 @ 8:39am
seems like a bad idea.

by The Jinxmedic on 8/13/2012 @ 9:59am
UA's in the service are random, mandatory, and continuous. Depending on your unit and opstempo, you can expect to be tested every other week (randomly, of course) at times. Sometimes you might go two months between tests.
And there are such things as "go pills" and "no-go pills" for flyers.

by NineInchNachos on 9/7/2012 @ 8:38am
oh JBLM...

by NineInchNachos on 4/29/2013 @ 11:52am

by NineInchNachos on 10/9/2013 @ 11:50am
new takhoman is selling this as black on white crime, but I see this as Soldier on Soldier crime...

by JesseHillFan on 10/28/2013 @ 6:14pm
Woah another very sick