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Rob McKenna: Long Dark T.E.A.Time of the Soul

And no Dan Savage, Rob McKenna is not 'transgender'
posted Mar 30, 2010
THE TACOMIC - Rob McKenna: Long Dark T.E.A.Time of the Soul (Rob McKenna, Teabagger, Tea party, HCR, Healthcare Reform, Obama, 13 states, republican death party)
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According to Washington State Attorney General Rob McKenna, All Democrats hate Rob McKenna because Rob McKenna is trying to kill healthcare reform along with 13 other Republican State's Attorney Generals. This should be in no way considered a strategic political move by Washington State Attorney General to get in-like-flynn with the conservative T.E.A. party baggers. Washington State Attorney General Rob McKenna even went so far as to create a FAQ page (on your tax dime) to say: "political move? why no! I care about the constitution, wink wink"

Just thinking about Tacoma sacrificing all that street-level retail in the LEED certified, South Pacific Plaza Parking Garage for Washington State Attorney General Rob McKenna's Man-Sized Republican dild0 factory offices makes me want to puke my god damn guts out.

Even so, I think this is the most bad a$$ drawing of Obama or Nancy Pelosi you'll ever see.  GOD BLESS AMERICA!

by Thorax O'Tool on 9/14/2002 @ 7:14am
Much ado about nothing.

Look, I am NOT a lawyer. I don't know the finer nuances of the law. Attorney General is supposed to know.

If the lawsuit has merit, then by god I'm glad someone has the balls to stand up for our rights. If the lawsuit does not have merit, it'll be thrown out and our lives will continue on with no change and the story will be forgotten in 6 months.

Must every molehill be made into a mountain?

by marumaruyopparai on 3/30/2010 @ 1:39am
Whoa dude, RAW. Visceral and gritty. I like it.

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 1:45am
MEANWHILE:

transgender
slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/...

not funny
www.queerty.com/dan-savages-superfun-tra...

bad joke
slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/...

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 3/30/2010 @ 1:46am
Somewhere Norman Rockwell is looking down at this and smiling just a little.

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 1:48am
lots of easter eggs in this one

by fredo on 3/30/2010 @ 7:17am
According to the News Tribune on-line poll, Tacomans favor McKenna's actions by a wide margin

Yes 2711
No 2122

by thriceallamerican on 3/30/2010 @ 7:37am
Oh, that's Pelosi? I thought it was MJ... (I guess the necklace and lady-jacket should have tipped me off. Heh.)

by fredo on 3/30/2010 @ 7:57am
Oh, that's Pelosi?

ha ha thrice. RR could have given her a prop that was more appropriate than the Inglorious Basterds baseball bat. That would be a bottle of Johnny Walker Red in one hand and a bottle of Courvoisier in the other. And the other three pictured could have had their pockets stuffed with money from insurance company lobbyists.

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 8:04am
I don't know how often you read the comments at the TNT, but i'd say the bulk of the TNT readers qualify for the FEMA re-education death panel camps.

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 8:14am
local political cartoon roundup...

horsey:
blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/archives/...

blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/archives/...

Milt:
blog.seattlepi.com/miltpriggee/archives/...

blog.seattlepi.com/miltpriggee/archives/...

blog.seattlepi.com/miltpriggee/archives/...


by fredo on 3/30/2010 @ 8:33am
Another year or two of Gregoire and even Mr. Anderson is going to be on McKenna's Gubernatorial bandwagon.

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 8:49am
Never!


RRawshark

by Jesse on 3/30/2010 @ 9:01am
I am a progressive and my job entails talking to Doctors everyday. Noone likes this bill, not even me.

Great comic though.

by Thorax O'Tool on 3/30/2010 @ 9:23am
*yawn*

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 9:39am
stranger has a nice illustration on this story:

www.thestranger.com/seattle/gop-stopper/...

more tea party fun at political irony:

politicalirony.com/2010/03/30/who-me-tea...



* * *

my 160'th Tacomic BTW.

by garmo on 3/30/2010 @ 11:11am
I guess if you use Tea Bag math 589 votes is a wide margin. Since the TNT has always viewed issues from the narrow f-stop setting on their camera it is no surprise that responses to a poll would favor such a viewpoint. While right-wingers are patting themselves on the back for holding a majority two factors are contributing to their success. First, those who are able to see beyond the end of their nose aren't even reading the TNT and secondly, if they do, they don't bother with such polls knowing if the answer isn't what the TNT was hoping for nothing will be heard from it anyway.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 3/30/2010 @ 11:30am
To read the comments on the TNT website is to suffer a reduction in your IQ.

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 11:49am
an interesting sidebar... democracy now had a good segment on crazy hate militias..

www.democracynow.org/2010/3/30/rage_on_t...

interesting stuff!
www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

by fredo on 3/30/2010 @ 12:16pm
Tacomans have spoken in the TNT poll and have said by an overwhelming majority that they support McKenna's challenge to the Obama Health Care bill. If it makes Obamacare supporters feel better to marginalize the majority opinion holders so be it.

Here's a relevant proverb: If you don't like the message kill the messenger.

I doubt if the people who read the TNT on line, vote in the on line polls, and comment are right wing wackos. The commentary ususally shows a pretty even distribution between liberals and conservatives.

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 12:52pm
@fredo,

It's Mourning in America again


by thriceallamerican on 3/30/2010 @ 12:58pm
Then let's cancel the lawsuit! The people have spoken and HCR should be taken away!!!

...or at least the people who read the TNT online and bother to vote in some below-the-fold poll.

We can argue about public support one way or the other, but let's not use a TNT hot-button poll as our indicator, mkay? A poll that relies on people choosing to participate instead of being randomly selected to do so is scientifically meaningless.

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 1:06pm
Tacomic guest stars on Horses Ass!

horsesass.org/?p=25818

in your face Boing Boing!

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 1:32pm
and now real life WA tea party photos!

thurstonpundits.blogspot.com/2010/03/rob...

which one are you fredo?

by NineInchNachos on 3/30/2010 @ 1:43pm
from HA blog:

"Matt Driscoll spews:

Who is this RR Anderson fella? A Tacoman… Seems fishy. Tacomans make me nervous.

The majority of people want health care reform. If they think they don’t it’s just because they’re being lied to. The division is masterfully fabricated. If we could achieve any sort of real dialogue in our politics in this country this fact would be easy to see.

Instead, we’re destined to just stick “Mao” and “Communist” and “Socialism” into witty one-liners and call that discourse. We seem content with the notion our leaders and our “media” can simply MAKE S*** UP and call that debate.

The health care discussion – and all of our political discussions – have become totally removed from reality. At this rate – health care bill or not – there’s no hope for any of us. We’ve become ignorant, pop culture savages living off Pepsi and fear.

Maybe everyone DOESN’T deserve health care?"

by fredo on 3/30/2010 @ 10:40pm
"A poll which relies on people choosing to participate instead of being randomly selected to do so is scientifically meaningless."

I never claimed that the TNT poll was scientific. Is something devoid of science therefore meaningless? Isn't the Presidential election a poll which relies on people choosing to participate? Is the Presidential election meaningless?

In a distribution of almost 6000 respondents from a heavily Democratic city almost 56% are saying no to Obama's health care plan. I would say that is stunning.

by marumaruyopparai on 3/30/2010 @ 11:21pm
Is the Presidential election meaningless?

Depends on who you ask, I for one would say yes. The United States Government certainly continues to do a fine job of conducting itself as though it were a legitimate democratically appointed governing body, but we free thinkers know better. The US government is little more than a puppet enterprise installed by a globally influential shadow government working behind the scenes to strategically broker power in advance of the inevitable war to end all wars. I'm of course referring to the prophesied face-off between Jesus and the Anti-Christ. It's gonna be big folks, I'm talking Tyson vs. Holyfield big.

I'm sure the only reason our president is coercing us to buy healthcare is because the Anti-Christ made him do it. I'll have to agree with Fredo though, those are some pretty disturbing numbers. And isn't it just like the Anti-Christ to be coercing decent god fearing folk to do something they know deep down in their gut is wrong? We know socialism when we smell it.

This country was founded on freedom of choice, and we should have the freedom to deny ourselves healthcare if we so choose. Besides, God wouldn't be making us sick if we hadn't done something wrong. So maybe all these jackasses whining for healthcare coverage need to take a step back and think long and hard about whatever it was they did to piss off the heavenly father in the first place. Stop begging the government for handouts and start praying for healing people. God bless Pat Robertson and the healthcare coverage that allowed him to cheat death and speak out against healthcare reform. Amen.

by Thorax O'Tool on 3/31/2010 @ 12:40am
All this ado about nothing.

I'm no lawyer, and I do not know the finer intricacies of law. But the AG IS supposed to know these things.

Look, if the lawsuit has merit then huzzah to McKenna for doing the job we pay him to do. It's about time someone in Olympia did.
If the lawsuit doesn't have a leg to stand on, it'll be thrown out and life will go on regardless and uninterrupted. No one will even remember this 6 months after the fact.

Must every molehill be made into a mountain?

by panachronic on 3/31/2010 @ 7:59am
lots of easter eggs in this one

Is that supposed to make up for the lies and the anti-American sentiment?

by NineInchNachos on 3/31/2010 @ 8:09am
@marumaruyopparai your comment is full of WIN! thanks for the morning chuckle.

@panachronic I never lie. I have INT3GRITY!(tm). There is no anti-american sentiment in any of my cartoon. Furthermore I encourage you to report yourself to the proper government authorities immediately.

Thank you all for your comments comrades!


by panachronic on 3/31/2010 @ 8:12am
Integrity??? Looks more like chutzpah to me.

by jenyum on 3/31/2010 @ 9:36am
Love that a drawing of Ruby Bridges and several elected officials now constitutes anti-american sentiment.

by fredo on 3/31/2010 @ 9:48am
Ruby Bridges and desegregation were clear improvements to American society.


Obamacare, not so clear.

by jenyum on 3/31/2010 @ 9:50am
That is a well-expressed opinion, but it doesn't have anything to do with anti-american sentiment.

by fredo on 3/31/2010 @ 10:08am
"doesn't have anything to do with anti-american sentiment"

Who expressed an anti-american sentiment?

by jenyum on 3/31/2010 @ 10:09am
I know, right?

by fredo on 3/31/2010 @ 10:37am
que?

by Thorax O'Tool on 3/31/2010 @ 12:30pm
What is "anti-American" anyway? Ask the "Powers the Be" at the time, and you'll get different answers. The Vietnam protesters were called anti-American. Social Security and the New Deal were called anti-American. The pacifists who opposed the US going into WWII (even after Pearl Harbor) were anti-American. For the longest time (and currently in some areas) people who recycled, got off the grid as much as possible and didn't drive were anti-American. The Unions were considered anti-American. Civil Rights supporters were anti-American. Women's suffrage movement was anti-American. The 15th Amendment was considered anti-American in half the country. Anyone who didn't agree with McCarthy were anti-American. Anyone who doesn't support the wars in the Middle East are called anti-American. People who stood up for the rights of the Native Americans in the days of "Manifest Destiny" were considered anti-American.

I find it interesting that in a majority of cases, it's the left who are called anti-American. What times we live in where the tables are turned...

by Thorax O'Tool on 3/31/2010 @ 12:51pm
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. Is not life a hundred times too short for us to bore ourselves?"

-Nietzsche

by NineInchNachos on 3/31/2010 @ 12:56pm
I think you should report yourself too Mr. O'Tool. Just to be safe.

by Thorax O'Tool on 3/31/2010 @ 2:39pm
I'd be surprised if I wasn't already on some watch list.

I had SIDA when I worked for the TNT (my route was Sea-Tac) and they did give me my TWIC in 2008, so I'm likely not considered a threat. Just a rabble-rouser at best, probably.

by NineInchNachos on 3/31/2010 @ 3:49pm
vicious cartoon from our Spokane friend.
blog.seattlepi.com/miltpriggee/archives/...

by panachronic on 4/1/2010 @ 6:44am
Who expressed an anti-american sentiment?

The cartoonist.

Rob McKenna is a democratically elected official whose primary job is to uphold the constitutions of both the State and the United States. He is the Peoples' attorney, and as such he sees a legal problem with the health care bill and is taking appropriate action, within the system, to address that problem. Several of his peers in other states share his opinion and are also taking action.

The lawsuit initiated the McKenna and several other AGs is a perfect example of our system of checks and balances in action. It is the American system of government, trying its best to work as designed R.R., evidently, has a problem with that.

So yeah... I find this cartoon more than just a tad un-American. Not to mention, more than just a little defamatory towards pretty much anybody and everybody who does not share his political leanings. Much as with R.R.'s last cartoon about the Tea Party movement, it's basically a piece of hate speech.

Perhaps what is most mind-blowing is that he utterly fails to see the irony of saying that McKenna's lawsuit is politically motivated.

by NineInchNachos on 4/1/2010 @ 8:00am
I see the irony.
If McKenna wants to join with 13 other republican AG's to fight Obamacare so he can get in cozy with angry white people (aka Teabaggers) then that is OK with me. It will be interesting to see what the courts decide. It will be interesting to see what an effect this political strategy will have on McKenna's career as an elected official.

It's all good!

by fredo on 4/1/2010 @ 8:11am
TNT poll update:

6887 respondents

59% (4000+) support McKenna's involvement
41% oppose

I'm sure those 4000 voting in support are all right wing tea bagger wackos.

by panachronic on 4/1/2010 @ 8:19am
It's all good!

Not even.

I happen to be a Tea Partiest, and I'm getting pretty fucking tired of the specious accusations of racism coming from supposedly smart people who should know better.

Civility and class, R.R. Get some.

by NineInchNachos on 4/1/2010 @ 8:29am
Eat a bag of (norm) Dicks.

How is that?

TEA party

by fredo on 4/1/2010 @ 9:06am
"It will be interesting to see what effect this has on McKenna's career as an elected official." RR

yes, it will be interesting. Doubt that McKenna's appeal will be tarnished. He's very popular and almost 60% of the public support his efforts. By contrast his biggest critic, Christine Gregoire, puts her considerable ineptitude on display on a daily basis. She's taken a state which was solvent and functional and flushed it down the toilet.

Crenshaw@ I'll save you the trouble of rebutting, it's all George W. Bush's fault.


by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/1/2010 @ 10:01am
Thanks for the help, fredo, now maybe you can tell me the fairy tale about how the economy in Washington would be doing just fine if Dino Rossi was governor and the legislature was stacked with Republicans. Dino Rossi the man that can defy all laws of economics and leap tall buildings with a single bound. The most conservative Republican run states in this country are equally screwed in this economy.

by tacoma1 on 4/1/2010 @ 10:07am
The TNT polls are the most unscientic way to conduct a poll. The results from them are absolutely meaningless. We don't even know if the respondants are from Washington State. Any national group with an agenda could affect the polling one way or another.

by NineInchNachos on 4/1/2010 @ 10:14am
at long last horsey jumps on the un-american hate bandwagon !

blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/archives/...

by tacoma1 on 4/1/2010 @ 10:19am
That's funny, thanks NIN.

by NineInchNachos on 4/1/2010 @ 10:22am
IT'S TIME FOR A TICKLE WAR IN THIS COUNTRY!

by fredo on 4/1/2010 @ 11:29am
"A national group with an agenda could affect the polling" tacoma1

Wow, that's got to be the reason for McKenna's popularity in the TNT poll. All those tea baggers from around the country signing up to participate in the Tacoma poll. So, why don't Gregoire's supporters respond? I forgot, there aren't any.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/1/2010 @ 11:37am
Really the only poll that matters is in November. If anyone wants to take comfort from the TNT polls they are welcome to it but I certainly wouldn't take those results to the bank. It would be pretty humiliating for Dino Rossi to lose a primary to Mckenna.

by jenyum on 4/1/2010 @ 12:03pm
Yes, well, nothing is more un-american than expressing criticism of an elected official through the use of a cartoon.

This is a tool of the new left, and it really should be nipped in the bud before it gets out of control.

Jefferson cartoon

by panachronic on 4/1/2010 @ 4:30pm
Yes, well, nothing is more un-american than expressing criticism of an elected official through the use of a cartoon.

Spirited opposition in the marketplace of ideas? Hell yes!

Resorting to hate speech in an attempt at mass character assassination of the opposing camp? Not so much.

Attacking the mechanisms of our system because one's political allies may have run afoul of the Constitution and might be called on it? Beneath contempt.

The essence of R.R.'s idea here runs counter to the rule of law. He seems to think we should set aside the Constitution so that Obama can have his way.

See those people in the foreground hurling epithets? That's the level to which our cartoonist has descended. R.R. has turned himself into exactly that which he decries: a morally repugnant person who is free of substance.


by NineInchNachos on 4/1/2010 @ 4:57pm
hey I only draw what I read in the news.
If you don't like it, go back to france.

by NineInchNachos on 4/1/2010 @ 11:17pm
quarterly reminder that you can purchase any tacomic online or in person...

www.holisticforgeworks.com/tacomic/

by marumaruyopparai on 4/2/2010 @ 2:49am
I gotta get behind panachronic on this one, calling into question McKenna's decision to exercise the time honored political tradition of challenging controversial legislation is nothing if not un-american. How can McKenna and other republican Attorney Generals be expected to sit back and let the democrats continue to practice such backwards and unproductive legislative tactics unchallenged? All this nonsense of debating and nit-picking every last detail of this bill and attempting to float it through the Congress and Senate on its merit alone is so 20th century. Wake up and smell the new millennium folks, this is not how 21st century legislation works!

Now George W. Bush, THERE was a man who had a vision for the future of legislation in the new millennium! No more of this unproductive pandering to the needs of constituents and wrangling with the opposition for support. Hell no, you wait until terrorists are marching on the hearts of our cities and blowing up our buildings and wreaking havoc on our economy. Then, only then, do you dream up some of the most controversial and god awful executive orders and legislation you can think of and cram them right down the throats of every American man, woman, child and politician in the country while they're all too busy pissing their pants in fear to give it a second thought.

That's how a real man legislates, none of this pansy-ass democratic pursuit of consensus and common good. If Bush and Cheney were still in office we'd be waterboarding dissidents right there on the front steps of the capitol, like men.

And quit picking on the tea party RR, so what if they harbor racists, bigots and violent fringe activists? Who else would want them? They have nowhere else to go, have a heart man. I'd say it's down right civic of the tea partiers to offer the socially disabled a home in a political franchise they can feel a part of. All McKenna is trying to do is help these angry and confused misfits of society distill their rage and focus it on super productive political goals.

God Bless America!

by marumaruyopparai on 4/2/2010 @ 2:57am
And the war rages on.

by Thorax O'Tool on 4/2/2010 @ 3:14am

by fredo on 4/2/2010 @ 7:23am
Marumaruuoppari@

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be upset with the idea that the supreme court might ultimately rule on Obamacare.

Then you would probably be upset to learn that the supreme court ended the practice of school desegregation in the 1954 case of Brown Vs. The Board of Education of Topeka. And didn't desegregation occur during a Republican Administration? Earl Warren and Dwight Eisenhower, two names which used to be fondly remembered as visionary heroes, I suppose now we must conclude they were just the precursors of the meddlesome tea baggers.

by NineInchNachos on 4/2/2010 @ 8:43am
he made TPM!

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/wash...


by NineInchNachos on 4/2/2010 @ 8:44am
as always marumaruyopparai, your comments are epic.

whenever thorax busts out the kangaroo you know things are just starting to get good.

by captiveyak on 4/2/2010 @ 9:03am
I think the fact that McKenna - a responsible state official - is willing to spend time (aka money) on this issue whilst Olympia grapples with a $3.2bil hole really emphasizes the grave importance of it. The Tea Party folks are our nations budgetary hawks, and if they support this expense, then I think it has passed an informal fiscal litmus test. If it was a wasteful endeavor, they would be in the streets screaming, "Let Obama do his job! Quit Obstructing Him and Wasting Our Hard-earned Tax dollars!"


by fredo on 4/2/2010 @ 9:31am
"...McKenna...is willing to spend time (aka money) on this issue..emphasizes the grave importance of it" captiveyak

McKenna is spending time on this issue but he's a salaried official so there's no extra cost to the taxpayers. The action is being funded by the State of Florida.

by Thorax O'Tool on 4/2/2010 @ 11:39am
You know that when I bring out the kangaroo that I've gotten bored with the topic and feel that it's just going in circles.

by fredo on 4/2/2010 @ 12:06pm
I can see where a discussion of chalk art or cupcakes might get boring after three days but how could one become bored with a discussion of the legal challenge to President Obama's defining accomplishment, an umpteen trillion dollar health plan? But if one commentator wants to pull his kangaroo out it's ok with me.

by captiveyak on 4/2/2010 @ 12:29pm
I have nothing against discussion, myself. But attempts to reconcile the issues at the heart of this argument have been ongoing pretty much since the words "hanging chad" entered our consciousness -- and, last time I checked, no one has ever been swayed. Of course, persuasion isn't the point. I understand that. But the discourse itself is tainted when both sides feel a need to explain that they aren't actually malevolent. In most cases, that particular defense seems as wasted as insisting that you are also not a juniper bush, thermostat, mosquito egg or piece of toast.

We could discuss the technical proponents of the legal challenge. And I will happily admit that, yes, there is somewhat of a Constitutional fog on the implementation of the bill. And when I say fog, i mean just that. It is neither clearly Constitutional nor unConstitutional. Politically, it's a SOMEWHAT wise challenge to make, because there's a slight chance they may be able to push all the way to the Supreme Court. If the Court were evenly split between liberals and conservatives, the wager would hardly be a worthy one. But since the SCOTUS is quite conservative, it might be worth the time.

But I think that discussion is also wastefully technical when there is a serious healthcare and healthcare expense problem in the US. Personally, I think the crisis requires action. Everyone knows that if this bill had died, HCR would be even more pariah and we'd be stuck with the current system for another 20 years. Some people are okay with that. They'd rather let that happen then see this particular bill succeed. THAT is something I simply cannot wrap my mind around.

by NineInchNachos on 4/2/2010 @ 1:05pm
Panachronic is 45% juniper bush, 10% mosquito and 5% egg-toast.

McKenna should change his name to McKenna Amalgamated Carbide International so he can have the advantage if the case gets to the SCOTUS.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/2/2010 @ 1:24pm
Really the legislation that McKenna is against is no different than the Prescription Drug Plan out of the Bush administration. Under the PDP Medicare recipients are forced to buy prescription drug insurance from private vendors. There is some subsidy to the program from the government. I didn't see McKenna get all upset over the PDP and interstate commerce clauses and the constitution. I guess if Bush had passed HCR McKenna would be all happy about it. I just hope this action doesn't cause the repeal of the PDP, a program which many seniors rely upon. A shameless exercise on the part of McKenna to impress his conservative overlords.

by marumaruyopparai on 4/2/2010 @ 2:47pm
@Fredo

Yes, it concerns me that this legal challenge will go the distance and find an audience with the supreme court. This is a big step for the attorneys general participating in this lawsuit and a giant leap for tea partyers everywhere! And although McKenna has the youthful facade of a 13 year old prepubescent chess club member doesn't mean he lacks the grit to follow this one through to the end. And with the foot soldiers of the tea party lending their support and continuing to take there message of fear mongering and intimidation to the streets this legal challenge has real grass-roots street cred.

Thanks for the link RR, I'm glad to hear that despite all the legal wrangling McKenna is able to find time to shore up his base and rally for support of his efforts. Just because McKenna has to shoulder the burden of attempting to torpedo health care coverage for every American doesn't mean he can't find time to curry favor with his constituents. At the end of the day, finding a way to make sure people vote for you is the only way we know how to keep score in the game of politics.

Hey yak, good point made about the role played by our fiscal accountability watch dogs the tea party. If there is one thing that conservatives understand better than anyone its fiscal responsibility. How are we as a country supposed to subsidize health care for every single American? Tax breaks? Tax and spend? These just sound like clever ways of relabeling wealth reallocation. Will expanded health care coverage save lives? Probably, but who's gonna pay for it I ask you?

Remember when George W. Bush declared war on the entire middle east? Was it expensive to invade these countries? Yes, it was. But did that stop Bush from cutting corners like a true fiscal conservative? Hell no! By providing soldiers with dangerously inadequate but affordable body armor the Bush administration was able to save a few bucks while driving up the deficit. Sure, lives were sacrificed, but money was saved. American lives are expendable! Money is not! Down with health care reform!!

by fredo on 4/2/2010 @ 11:27pm
Commentators have marginalized the TNT poll which shows about 59% of respondents opposed Obamas Health Plan. They have claimed it's "unscientific"

Well here's a scientific poll just published today by CBS News. Based on a survey of 858 adults and with a sampling error of +/- 3% the opinion of Americans regarding Obamas Health Plan is:

34% approve
55% disapprove

Maybe the Obama plan is the greatest thing since sliced bread but it doesn't appear that he's done a very good job of selling it to the public.

Body armor.. Bush... irrelevant thread drift


by marumaruyopparai on 4/3/2010 @ 12:37am
Drawing a comparison between a landmark decision by a republican supreme court justice to confer equal civil rights to blacks in America and a decision by a pasty faced Washington State attorney general to legally challenge the notion that health care is a human right. Irrelevant?

Dwight Eisenhower and Earl Warren? Meddlesome tea baggers? Are all republicans tea baggers? Are all tea baggers republicans? Does correlation imply causation?

Comparing the provision of inadequate body armor to soldiers in a war zone and the lack of provision of adequate health care to people who are ill and suffering. Irrelevant? Analyzing the cost effectiveness and legal implications of doing more to protect human life. A legal issue or a moral issue? Is there a difference?

CBS news surveys designed to measure the popularity (or lack thereof) of a controversial health care bill. Relevant? Those don't seem like unrealistic numbers to me. The republican and conservative opposition has certainly launched a very effective smear campaign to combat healthcare reform efforts. Even the democratic and liberal base is a little disappointed in an administration they seem to feel was not aggressive enough (Obama, too bi-partisan?) and in a bill they feel doesn't do enough.

Will healthcare reform lead to government funded abortion? Has this question been definitively answered. Does Obama's executive order have meaning? Pat Robertson is out there somewhere, lurking in the shadows, drooling and muttering to himself incoherently, planning strange rambling and discursive monologues for the 700 Club. High disapproval rating. I'm not surprised. Will healthcare reform survive!? Stay tuned true believers!!!

by marumaruyopparai on 4/3/2010 @ 1:05am
For god's sake, I feel adrift in a sea of god forsaken subjectivity out here. Where the hell is the objectivity? Where's mofo!?

by fredo on 4/3/2010 @ 9:39am
"pasty faced Washington Attorney General"

Ironic that some people decry racism by embracing it.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/3/2010 @ 11:16am
pasty faced Washington Attorney General compared to calling an African American Congress man a nigger, you really think this is the same thing, fredo? I can only imagine how many nights little Robbie cried himself to sleep because the kids called him pasty faced.

by NineInchNachos on 4/3/2010 @ 7:16pm
Fredo. According to South Park It's like OK to call somebody a pasty faced honkey if you are a pasty faced honkey. Just like hip hop rappers can call each other the n-word in rapping art songs and gay people can call each other gay.

by marumaruyopparai on 4/3/2010 @ 7:41pm
If it was said on South Park, then it's probably true.

FYI: I am in fact a pasty faced honkey.

by fredo on 4/4/2010 @ 8:06am
Thanks for clearing this up.

When tea partiers engage in comments about people's race that's an an example of racism.

When the new left engages in comments about people's race it's OK as long as they claim to be a member of that race, engage in rapping or they qualify to use such speech under the "south park exception" So if Fredo likes to engage in rapping art songs (don't laugh, maybe I could take a class) it would be OK for him to start dropping the N word frequently into his postings? And since I may have some African blood in me I guess it would be OK to refer the President as the "chocolate faced American President?"

by Jesse on 4/4/2010 @ 9:23am
Just because it's under the label of "Health Care Reform" doesn't mean it's good reform. This bill will save lives but it is also unconstitutional, horribly expensive to anyone who works an average or above average job for a living, and there are too many loop-holes in it. It's a bad bill. I would have rather seen single-payer myself. It would have come with less problems.

by fredo on 4/4/2010 @ 11:19am
Jesse, agreed. We could have had a single payer system or just left things alone. In the next few years I think we'll discover that there are some devilish details hidden in those 2700 pages.

by marumaruyopparai on 4/4/2010 @ 1:58pm
Fredo, having the opportunity to refer to myself as "a pasty faced honkey" after RR invoked the South Park exception to counter your criticism of my use of the word pasty was good fun, but let's clear some things up.

The word pasty is not a racially motivated nor racially insensitive adjective. It's a word that can be thrown about freely amongst people of any race when describing the complexion of someone who looks as though they've spent their entire life either living in a cave or in a library under dim white lights pouring through dusty books in an attempt refute the notion that healthcare is a human right. Even a black person who doesn't get enough sun might find oneself suffering undesirable pastiness of the complexion. Pasty isn't a color and I'm not sure how one ties it to race.

My insult was intended to paint McKenna as a scrawny, pasty faced pre-pubescent looking poindexter who needs to get out more. This is an adequate description of your AG that is free of any racially motivated commentary.

I think your paranoia concerning the motivations of the new left (whoever they are) is causing you to split hairs and draw irrational conclusions.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/4/2010 @ 1:58pm
Let me get this correct, tea baggers want to be able to call African American congress people niggers because it is the same thing as calling Rob McKenna "pasty faced".

by marumaruyopparai on 4/4/2010 @ 2:13pm
I've heard it said that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Is it more affordable then to continue treating uninsured at hospitals where the treatment is more expensive and after the problem may have progressed to a point that it will require more care and resources to remediate?

Aren't those with above average amounts of wealth already making charitable contributions to hospitals to subsidize the care of those in situations like the one I've just described. Might it be cheaper for everyone if we had less people waiting in line for emergency care and more people insured so that they can seek help from general practitioners?

My main problem with the actions of McKenna and the other AG's is the amount of cynicism required to challenge the notion that healthcare is a legal right and then use that technicality in an attempt to torpedo healthcare reform for purely political motivations. McKenna is more interested in slander than protecting human rights. Why in the first place would anyone even WANT to call into question the notion that healthcare is a legal human right? Here is a comment from the thread that follows the talking points memo that RR linked to above that I feel sums it up best:


"Now, I'm not a law school graduate like I assume McKenna to be. But it occurs to me that Hospital Emergency Rooms are forbidden by law to withhold treatment from anyone, regardless of ability to pay. We therefore actually HAVE universal health care written into our laws. It's just that the delivery of that care is so incredibly inefficient and costly.

Like it or not, Mr. McKenna, we DO recognize health care as a human right. The alternative would otherwise be the dumping of indigent people at the curb to die instead of admitting them into our Emergency Rooms."



If healthcare is already morally recognized as a human right, it should then, consequently, be recognized as a legal human right in this country.

by marumaruyopparai on 4/4/2010 @ 2:21pm
And Fredo, if you really are serious about testing the boundaries of what is considered socially acceptable use of racial slurs via song, knock yourself out.

Once you feel that your rapping chops have improved to the point that you feel comfortable hurling the N-word around I'd like you to post your demo on YouTube and here on the Feed.

I wanna see how that goes over.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/4/2010 @ 2:32pm
OMG, marumaruyopparai used the "p" word, the forbidden poind**ter word. Now the tea baggers can drag out their entire dictionary of racial epithets and press them into service with impunity. I knew this entire discussion was a trap.

by marumaruyopparai on 4/4/2010 @ 2:41pm
Egads!!! What have I done? How did I let him bait me into using that most unspeakable of unspeakables!?! The shame! You've bested me again Fredo.

Curses!

by Mofo from the Hood on 4/4/2010 @ 7:01pm
Suppose a private citizen decides not to buy private health insurance, which is an option under the law. The IRS will simply send a letter of payment instruction to you, with a return envelope, so that you may immediately send them payment for a monetary penalty.

So what if one doesn't have the money to pay the IRS penalty?

When dealing with the IRS in matters of penalties due, a private citizen may claim financial hardship, but until the penalty is paid the matter will never be dismissed and forgotten.

The IRS will offer voluntary payment plans, but they may also place a lien on your bank account. That means they send a letter to your bank and instruct them to empty your checking or savings account to pay for the amount owing the IRS.

After that the bank charges you $40.00 for processing the transaction whether you had any money in your account or not. If the IRS penalty was paid from your checking account, and that depletion of money caused any checks to be returned for insufficient funds, then your bank may also charge you an overdraft fee for each returned check.

Because this whole cycle of transactions is a federal matter, the only recourse for a private citizen to protect himself temporarily from the IRS is to file bankruptcy in federal court. But all this can do is temporarily restrain the IRS from seizing your bank account.

Filing bankruptcy is just a way to hire an attorney to negotiate time and a possible reduced monthly payment plan. But still, until the penalty is paid the matter will never be dismissed and forgotten.

After all that takes place, for the sake of a questionably viable health care system, your personal integrity and financial credibility is designated to subprime status. Every time someone views your credit report for purchasing insurance, consumer goods or real estate, or to consider you for employment, you will be subject to paying higher rates or to disqualification in each case.

The microeconomy of the United States may never recover.


by Jesse on 4/4/2010 @ 8:36pm
Mofo: Also, a 2.4% penalty is waged on gross annual income for those not having health insurance - probably the fine you speak about. So, lets say a person making $30k a year decides against any health insurance and decides to pay the fine. That's $720 a year in fines... but, here's the kicker... since this person cannot be denied coverage under the "no pre-existing conditions" clause, he can then get (insert expensive medical condition here) and get on insurance when needed. Therefore, this person has paid $720 for the year to have the ability to get insurance only when they need it instead of paying $2500-$5000 a year for ACTUAL insurance for the entire calendar year.
Who pays the difference between the $720 and $2500-$5000??? That person may get some subsidies under this new reform law but not enough to make it worth covering themselves for the year. So those who work and have insurance will be covering this person, in effect, with their premiums. I cannot see how insurance for regular working stiffs could possibly go down.

Also, 15 million are being GIVEN health insurance through Medicaid. That's about 4% to 5% of the entire population on top of the 40% plus that are already on some sort of gov't insurance -- Medicaid, Medicare, VA, Temp Assist, L & I, etc.. I'd say that if you aren't happy with not having health insurance then maybe you should go get another job that offers it. Go to college to land said job. Try harder... I don't want to pay for you. Where is the tipping point where it's not worth working anymore? My mom lives damned near like I do and has never lifted a finger in her whole life. It's gross... but that's another story.

Another point is that with all these new Medicaid patients out there, the Docs seeing them are reimbursed at a lower rate than a conventional insurance patient. I have clinics (I work in Medical Sales) going out of business NOW because of this fact. What is going to happen when there are 15 million more people using Medicaid as their payer?

Another point is that so many of the docs I see aren't natural born citizens. If their pay plummets, what do you think will happen? I already have lost docs to Canada because of this situation. Yes, I realize Canada has socialized medicine but I assume the payer situation is better as I keep losing docs to the cannucks.

I could go on and on about the merits or this "reform". I'm saying it certainly and easily could have been better.

by captiveyak on 4/4/2010 @ 8:51pm
This bill had multiple opportunities to be better, and to earn the fearmongering it inspired. But at each turn, after a great deal of hype and windbaggery, the legislature rejected reform in favor of refinancing - all the while behaving as if some brave act was being welded in the shoppe of genius. What we have now will do little to slow the steady rise of premiums and necessitates further legislation, which will probably be equally or more clumsy and compromised. The only winner is Obama, who can claim to have accomplished something of substance while only managing to piss off the nuttiest fringe of American intellectual dreg. And I suppose we've made it possible for more people to go bankrupt over health issues.

The utter inertia of the bill is what causes me to see mckenna's machinations as pure political sport.

by Mofo from the Hood on 4/4/2010 @ 9:41pm
If you've ever experienced dealing with a health maintenance organization like Group Health (and I have) then you will have an idea of what's to come. For all you folks who love to talk about equality and tolerance, your finest hour is upon us. In fact you'll have lots of hours in the waiting room to get aquainted with your equals from all the sectors of society that you've only read about in the police blotter or seen in the daily news.

by Jesse on 4/5/2010 @ 8:49am
With Obamacare, you'll see a lot more managed care situations in the near future. Clinics and health systems will have to streamline you in and out of their system as to keep profits high enough to offset the low Medicaid reimbursements just to keep their doors open. You'll see more Physician Assistants and RN/BSN's instead of doctors.

Managed care: Many hospitals have it now - see St. Providence, St. ANYTHING, Everett Clinics, (St.)Franciscans, etc.. It's when the Doc diagnoses you and then has a listed out protocol to treat you. You may have to fail many generic drugs to get the latest therapy as the system is trying to save money. It takes autonomy away from your Doctor (and you).

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/5/2010 @ 8:52am
Mofo, don't worry about Group Health, it is an HMO, not a HoMO. I'm sure nothing unsavory will happen to you at Group Health.

by Mofo from the Hood on 4/5/2010 @ 9:21am
My experience with Group Health was much like how Jesse noted the practices of such organizations. When you're there you get the sense that you don't want to impose on the medical practioners limited time---They've got to keep the assembly line moving.

The experience is like medical service theatre. When you're there it looks like you're at a medical service provider – the props and costumes seem credible – but after your alloted 10 minute appointment and you walk out the door with your unattached severed arm and a prescription for Tylenol, you feel like starting a new life of healthy living just so that your sense of reality can never be shaken again by that kind of scripted smiley-faced medical service.

by fredo on 4/5/2010 @ 12:21pm
RR tries to show that Rob McKenna is a fringe player, pandering to a small group of extremists. Let's look at some background information.

2008 Election:

Barack Obama 53%
Christine Gregoire 53%
Rob McKenna 59%

Dang, those pesky facts.

by NineInchNachos on 4/5/2010 @ 1:21pm
I voted for Rob McKenna back in 2008 because I figured he was a straight shooter. Now, not so much. Last time i'll make that mistake! Now, I can't stand the sight of him... Just like Palin. I've lost the ability to listen to her voice without eliciting a gag reflex.

People think being a political cartoonist is easy. Not so. I used to be happy-go-lucky clueless american like anyone. To be a good political cartoonist you are forced to pay attention to politics and it turns you. I'm probably never going to vote for a republican again ever... unless it is for a joke. Like voting for Palin... or a Lonergan. So it goes.

Even so, Today is my birthday.
Each of your funny and thought out comments is a birthday present to me. Thank you my friends!

by captiveyak on 4/5/2010 @ 9:00pm
is it true what i've heard? do people who make $15/hr or less REALLY force their children to wear off-brand shoes from Wal-Mart and eat the flesh of Papists??

by Mofo from the Hood on 4/5/2010 @ 10:29pm
The papistry invented health care reform.

by marumaruyopparai on 4/6/2010 @ 1:52am
Comment number 100!!! Woo hoo!

by NineInchNachos on 4/6/2010 @ 2:11am
a rare thing indeed.

by NineInchNachos on 4/6/2010 @ 2:33am
should start putting google ads in here!

by fredo on 4/6/2010 @ 7:03am
Pasty poindexter promises prolific pontification

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/6/2010 @ 9:33am
I'd hate to see what Google would put up in response to the comments here. Does Archie McPhee make a Rob McKenna action figure? I guess that would be a reactionary figure.

by NineInchNachos on 4/7/2010 @ 8:00am
Will McKenna and Rossi condemn the violent rhetoric of their supporters?

State Attorney General basks in the glory of angry anti-government signs at March 27, 2010 Teabagger rally in Olympia, WA.State AG Rob McKenna basks in the glory of angry anti-government signs at March 27, 2010 Teabagger rally in Olympia, WA.

horsesass.org/?p=26074

by fredo on 4/7/2010 @ 9:32am
McKenna is a Graduate of the University of Chicago and a former Eagle Boy Scout. Inciting violence really isn't his style. Rossi isn't an elected official nor is he generally associated with rabble rousing. Neither one has any formal affiliation with the tea party movement as far as I know.

Governor Gregoire, on the other hand, has tried to create a tax- inducing frenzy among state workers and others who are crowding around the public trough desperate to avoid losing public funding for all purposes important and unimportant. She recently claimed that if taxes were not increased that people would have their feet cut off. Unlike AG McKenna she is failing to perform the functions of her office such as providing the state with a balanced budget.

Why don't you want to know if the Obama Health Care bill is constitutional or not? Isn't that a pretty important issue?

Like it or not, McKenna commands greater popular support at this time than Gregoire and has the ability to use this popularity to assume the bully pulpit. His term of office is up in 2012 so people who want to return the AG office to a multi million dollar deadline-missing disappointment like Chris Gregoire will be free to do so.

by fredo on 4/7/2010 @ 9:34am
Post script

Happy Birthday to my favorite cartoonist, RR Anderson!

by tacoma1 on 4/7/2010 @ 10:02am
Fredo
Many democrats and liberals aren't happy with Gregoire because she isn't liberal enough and certainly is a road building democrat, not a transit friendly democrat.

My point being, her popularity isn't an indication of her electability if she runs again, and runs against a conservative transit hating republican like Rob McKenna. Personally, I would prefer a better choice but most democrats and liberals will choose the lesser of the two evils and vote for Gregoire if that is the choice.

by fredo on 4/7/2010 @ 10:17am
tacoma1, transit is a big issue for you but probably isn't that big of a deal for most voters.

Doubt Gregoire would score too many votes if a gubernatorial election were held today. Clearly, she's one of the most inept executives of all time. She's taken a state which was operating in the black and had a surplus when she took office, made huge overcommitments of resources based on faulty economic projections and now has our state mired in an unbelievable economic morass. How does she address budget problems? By making threats which she doesn't follow through on. Unprofessional leadership style. McKenna's garbageman could probably beat her in an elective race.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/7/2010 @ 10:24am
3 words for you fredo. Global economic recession. I know the republicans want to blame Chris for this but seriously Dino would not be doing much better with this economy.

by fredo on 4/7/2010 @ 10:52am
Rossi warned during his campaign that Gregoire's spending increases were not sustainable and that if there was a recession that the state would encounter budget problems. His 2008 predictions sure sound prophetic in light of today's situation.

Maybe Bill Clinton's decision to loosen up lending requirements for poor home buyers or his decision to deregulate the banks and wall street ultimately caused an economic meltdown but I'm sure the Republicans played a roll too. The point is, it was all foreseeable and Rossi warned the voters. Gregoire decided to depend on her overly-optimistic economic advisors. Poor decision.

by Thorax O'Tool on 4/7/2010 @ 11:41am
Fredo, two things.

Thing one: this credit bubble began in earnest in the 70s, on the heels of stagflation. It is entirely the fault of both parties (they are the same anyway) and their Wall Street masters.

Thing Two:
You may enjoy these articles and find them quite interesting:

Insurance companies stop offering coverage to small businesses and individuals in Massachusetts.

City of Los Angeles to run out of money by May 5th.

39,430,724 Americans now on food stamps.... a 22% increase from 2009.

by fredo on 4/7/2010 @ 11:55am
Thorax, always the voice of reason. Thanks for your response.

You're right, both parties can share the blame. Getting a little tired of Geo. W. Bush serving as the whipping boy. He can be blamed for allowing the derivatives markets to develop unchecked, but most of the other contributing factors were well established when he took office in January, 2001.

by NineInchNachos on 4/7/2010 @ 12:07pm
Iraq. GWB can take credit for that.
www.collateralmurder.com/

by Thorax O'Tool on 4/7/2010 @ 12:07pm
I tend to prefer reasonableness, which is partly why in good conscience I cannot align myself with any of the "mainstream" political parties.

That's also why I think all y'alls are making a mountain out of a molehill here. If the case has merit, then I'm glad someone in Olympia is doing what we pay them to do. If the case has no legs to stand on, it'll be thrown out and life will go on like the suit never happened.

Seems to me that the only reason to make a big deal about it is if you're scared. Scared that the lawsuit is going to be thrown out. Or scared that McKenna & the other 12 will win.

by NineInchNachos on 4/7/2010 @ 12:21pm
If case gets thrown out, needs to be used as ammo to take McKenna down in next election.

If is a case then is political win for McKenna.

this whole thing is gamble for Mckenna.

can't wait to see what happens!

is what Numbskull think.

by panachronic on 4/7/2010 @ 12:31pm
3 words for you fredo. Global economic recession. I know the republicans want to blame Chris for this but seriously Dino would not be doing much better with this economy.

This is a rather curious stance, given Gregoire's insistence during the campaign that there was no budget problem to be concerned about.

Not that Rossi could somehow magically make the recession go away mind you, but I think it's a safe bet that he wouldn't be shilling for tax increases at this point.

by NineInchNachos on 4/7/2010 @ 12:43pm
TEA Party people taking it to the next level?

www.thenewstribune.com/2010/04/07/113891...

by marumaruyopparai on 4/7/2010 @ 2:19pm
Well, it'll be awful humiliating if our constitutional law scholar president's signature bill turns out to be unconstitutional.

I'll bet the TEA party would have a real good time with that.

by fredo on 4/15/2010 @ 12:41am
The truth about the racists, morons, and homophobes which have been appearing at the tea party rallies is now beginning to be revealed.

They are an organized group of tea party opponents and some left wing anarchists who are trying to "exaggerate the least appealing qualities" of the some tea party adherents, according to Jason Levin who has founded the group "CRASH THE PARTY."

Apparently, the mob illustrated in Mr. Anderson's drawing was staged. Wow, I thought dirty tricks ended when Richard Nixon resigned the presidency.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/15/2010 @ 1:09am
Yeah, blame it on the tea party opponents and not on the cracker trailer trash that seem to have gravitated towards the tea bagger movement. If an African American, Jew, Latino, Asian, homosexual, or Native American gets anywhere near one of these tea bag parties the tea baggers can act like the brain dead knuckle dragging ridge runners that they are with impunity and just blame it on the infiltrators.

"Oh I say, Cletus, that President Obama is a fine Negro" "Oh lookie, Jeb, there are some of them infiltrators, you don't suspect they will start saying the "N" word to get us in trouble?". "Not if I can shoot his nigger, I mean "Negro" ass first."

by fredo on 4/15/2010 @ 7:15am
"yeah, blame it on the tea party opponenets" Crenshaw Fair and Balanced Sepulveda

I couldn't have said it better myself.

by fredo on 4/15/2010 @ 7:38am
Say RR, here's some new information regarding the trailer trash tea party participants shown in your cartoon:

According to a CBS poll of 1580 adults out today, the typical tea party supporter is more "well-educated" than the general public.

Sort of invalidates your position.

by tacoma1 on 4/15/2010 @ 8:02am
@Fredo
When you cite a poll, why don't you ever provide a link to the poll, or provide the information on how the poll was conducted? Without knowing how the poll was conducted, the results are meaningless.


by fredo on 4/15/2010 @ 8:08am
tacoma1, I don't know how to provide a link.

But you can google CBS tea party poll and get all the information you need. The CBS polls are all conducted using essentially the same methodology. Since the poll was conducted by CBS I'm pretty sure the results aren't "meaningless."

by tacoma1 on 4/15/2010 @ 8:14am
Cut and paste. I don't have time or inclination to fact check all of your posts.

by tacoma1 on 4/15/2010 @ 8:17am
Sorry, copy and paste. Find the article that you are citing, use your mouse, right click, copy, then paste it into your posting.


by NineInchNachos on 4/15/2010 @ 8:25am
from my understanding the tea party crashers make a point to be funny and absurdist.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/21/the-fu...


the racist stuff is not funny, and I believe, genuine.

by NineInchNachos on 4/15/2010 @ 8:35am
example: mimes vs. anti-immigration wing nut

wonkette.com/414372/anti-immigrant-video...

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/15/2010 @ 9:13am
"Hey Cletus, lookie there, it is one of those infiltrator mimes that come here to mock us, looks kind of gay too" "Jeb, I didn't know you were such an expert on gays." (eyes him suspiciously) "If they are here to mock us they must be gay" "I'm sorry I had any doubts about you, Jeb, besides we don't need any gay mimes mocking us, we can do that good enough on our own".

by fredo on 4/15/2010 @ 11:36am
tacoma1, right click, no copy function. What am I doing wrong?

by NineInchNachos on 4/15/2010 @ 1:11pm
EZ method:
select the url in your address bar. on your keyboard press "Control + C"

go to feed tacoma comment box. on your keyboard press "Control + V"

when you post, feed tacoma should automatically convert the url into a link.

Good luck sir!

by NineInchNachos on 4/15/2010 @ 11:46pm
looks to me like a bunch of angry old white people. Stop crying and pay your taxes like a man.

blog.thenewstribune.com/photo/2010/04/15...

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/16/2010 @ 1:13am
Dang, I saw the pictures from the tea bag rally. Now I will not be able to sleep. One the other hand I wonder where you can get one of those fancy tea bag hats, very fetching.

by fredo on 4/16/2010 @ 7:22am
www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002529...

by jenyum on 4/16/2010 @ 8:18am
Well, that's about the only positive statistic in that entire article, and it's not exactly overwhelming:

37 percent are college graduates, compared to 25 percent of Americans overall. They also have a higher-than-average household income, with 56 percent making more than $50,000 per year.


Given their age I think they are also more likely to have grown up during the 50s and 60s and benefited from one of the greatest economic booms in history, produced largely by one of the greatest socialist programs in history. (The GI bill) Then they went to college at a time when in-state tuition was vastly less expensive than it is now (in CA it was actually free!) So yeah, yippee for higher incomes and college graduation rates. You're welcome, federal (and state) government.

by tacoma1 on 4/16/2010 @ 8:21am
Thanks Fredo.

So I'm getting a clearer picture of who the tea partiers are.

Definitely an angry bunch, these tea partiers. The fact that they don't like Obama doesn't mean much. They don't seem to like anyone.

"Only one percent of Tea Party supporters approve of the job Congress is doing, compared to 17 percent of Americans overall"

Although they may tend to be educuated, they also tend to get their misinformation from Faux News (did I spell that right?).

"Sixty-three percent say they get the majority of their political and current events news on television from the Fox News Channel, compared to 23 percent of Americans overall."

And they don't seem to mind making up their own facts, either.

"Sixty-four percent believe that the president has increased taxes for most Americans, despite the fact that the vast majority of Americans got a tax cut under the Obama administration"

"Thirty percent of Tea Party supporters believe Mr. Obama was born in another country, despite ample evidence to the contrary. Another 29 percent say they don't know."

"57 percent, have a favorable impression of former President George W. Bush, despite his role in raising the deficit and overseeing TARP bailout of the financial sector."

And then, although they don't want to use the "N" word, they don't actually have a good explanation for their hatred.

"what they don't like about Mr. Obama, the top answer, offered by 19 percent of Tea Party supporters, was that they just don't like him"

www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002529...


by Non Sequitur on 4/16/2010 @ 8:41am
If one dislikes the tea party movement so much, then why not start your own movement?
Really?

Think about this: 5,000,000 tea party members (that's about 1.5% of the total US population) have much more power and voice than 50,000,000 liberal bloggers sitting on message boards.

Actions speak louder than words, and if you just blog all day long, you're not going to be of much influence in November.

I've wondered this, why there has been no sizable counter-movement formed on the left? Are we disorganized, lazy or scared?

by tacoma1 on 4/16/2010 @ 8:56am
The tea party is actually the best thing that could happen to the Democratic Party as only 5% of tea party supporters think of themselves as Democrats, but 54% are Republicans. So Tea Party folks - please continue to divide the Republican Party and run your own candidates in November.

And I don't need to start my own disorganized party, I'm a Democrat. We're already disorganized.

Tea Baggers should be able to have whatever moral beliefs that they want, but when they blantantly ignore facts, and make stuff up and pretend that their bullshit are actuall facts, then that becomes a problem.

by greenfringegarden on 4/16/2010 @ 9:10am
What I think will happen if that the legal argument will be, you cannot force Americans to purchase health insurance from a private company and it will open up the public option which we are in favor of. Medicare for all.

Sarah Palin is the best thing since spilled milk.
She and the other members of the Flat Earth Society who support expansion of slavery into the Freesoil States like Washington make Republicans proud they are now Democrats.

by fredo on 4/17/2010 @ 1:30am
"teabaggers blatantly ignore facts and make stuff up" tacoma1

"Sarah Palin supports the expansion of slavery" greenfringe

Sounds more like the liberals are "making stuff up"

by greenfringegarden on 4/17/2010 @ 5:56pm
Why Fredo...why would liberals make stuff up when there are so many things to report that are real...like Social Justice = Dictatorship and Obama is a Marxist because he taught Marxism at Harvard? I personally, like Sarah Palin's discussion of death panels. It just makes me feel secure knowing liberals will kill me in order to balance the budget.

by Thorax O'Tool on 4/17/2010 @ 6:08pm
Meh. They're all the same.

We've been over this before. Both sides want to screw you over; it's not a question of how much rather, it's a question of how.

by greenfringegarden on 4/17/2010 @ 6:13pm
A Lutheran Church which will remain unnamed removed the words Social Justice from its literature because it was too "controversial." So other suggested that Feed the Hungry and House the Poor be removed too, and Frank Blair of Equal Time radio...hit the nail on the head when he suggested...why not just remove the name Jesus too...since he is the one causing all the controversy...seems like a good idea to me. Keep social justice, feeding and housing and Jesus away from everyone especially Sarah Palin.

by greenfringegarden on 4/17/2010 @ 6:14pm
Oh, I forgot, she already did.

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2010 @ 7:23pm
Somebody should try and trick McKenna into saying 'social justice' maybe his head will explode like in the Scanners movie.

mah hed esplode

by tacoma1 on 4/17/2010 @ 9:57pm
Sorry fredo, I just quoted your article, and provided the citation..........it's your source, not mine.

"Sixty-four percent believe that the president has increased taxes for most Americans, despite the fact that the vast majority of Americans got a tax cut under the Obama administration"

"Thirty percent of Tea Party supporters believe Mr. Obama was born in another country, despite ample evidence to the contrary. Another 29 percent say they don't know."

"57 percent, have a favorable impression of former President George W. Bush, despite his role in raising the deficit and overseeing TARP bailout of the financial sector."

And then, although they don't want to use the "N" word, they don't actually have a good explanation for their hatred.

"what they don't like about Mr. Obama, the top answer, offered by 19 percent of Tea Party supporters, was that they just don't like him"

www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002529...

By the way, your welcome to voice your opinion on the above questions. For example, what's your opinion on Obama's birth certificate? And, is GW responsible for raising our nations deficit? Keep in mind, you are entitled to your own opinion, just not your own facts.

The tax question, I'm not going to ask. I already know for a fact that mine are lower.

And now, for another example of teabaggers ignoring facts. Just a little fact checking by Politifact.com on Michelle Bachmann, a favorite tea bagger favorite rightwing extremist.

www.politifact.com/personalities/michele...

by fredo on 4/17/2010 @ 10:55pm
Tacoma1,

I was quoting your comment from 4/16/10 8:56AM. Pretty sure the comment didn't originate from the the CBS story I cited. CBS doesn't usually use the word 'bullsh*t.'

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2010 @ 11:50pm
social justice social justice social justice social justice social justice social justice social justice social justice social justice social justice...


hmmm nothings happening.

by Thorax O'Tool on 4/18/2010 @ 9:21pm
Care to define what exactly "social justice" is?

And no, the answer "it can't be explained, you just know what it is" doesn't cut it.

Oh, by the way, RR...
I have a new one for this thread (and similar ones) in lieu of the kangaroo...


by marumaruyopparai on 4/19/2010 @ 1:28am
Earlier in the discussion of this Tacomic and the political issue it was intended to draw attention to Fredo did us the service of pointing out the disturbing trend of white on white racism that has begun to present itself throughout this thread. Trading racial epithets like honky, cracker, and pasty amongst white peoples may seem like harmless banter on the surface but in reality is the reflection of a deeply pervasive lack of self respect afflicting the collective subconscious of our white brethren.

I would encourage all of us (myself included) to take great care to defer to respectful, politically correct terminology when choosing to make broad stereotypical generalizations that refer to people's race or political affiliation.

Instead of referring to a white person as honky, cracker, or pasty, try the less offensive m.d.i. (melanin deficient individual).

Instead of describing liberals and progressives as anarchists or socialists try the more politically correct homophobically challenged.

God Bless.

by Mofo from the Hood on 4/19/2010 @ 9:11am
In response to maru etc. last comment, I just want to further point out (bluntly) that in our culture the secular media, backed by political and economic entities, works daily on different platforms to shape a collective consciousness to serve the dominant power structure.




by fredo on 4/19/2010 @ 9:21am
OK to make disparaging remarks about white people. What's not OK is to make disparaging remarks about minorities. Got it?

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/19/2010 @ 9:31am
That makes sense to me, fredo. Why do the tea baggers want to make disparaging remarks about minorities? Freedom of speech, ignorance, stupidity, bigotry, frustration? When the minorities are in power maybe then I'll worry about white people being called disparaging things. Until then I think the cracker rednecks should just try to be polite.

by NineInchNachos on 4/19/2010 @ 9:34am
white folk are not the minority at tea party rallies.

furthermore I believe today is the anniversary of the first modern tea party

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bomb...

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 4/19/2010 @ 9:49am
Well played, NineInchNachos, well played.

by fredo on 4/19/2010 @ 10:42am
"why do the tea baggers want to make disparaging remarks about minorities?" Crenshaw

Crenshaw those people who make disparaging remarks about minorities and you associate with the tea party movement are a small subgroup made up of fringe individuals and anarchist infiltrators. The tea party movement is fueled by a desire for smaller government, lower taxes, stricter enforcement of immigration laws, and lessening the culture of entitlements. If a black candidate embraced these ideologies they would receive the broad support of the tea party enthusiasts, I assure you.

And on a side note, why can't white people criticize President Obama without being referred to as racists? People criticize George W. Bush, yet they are never referred to as racists? Isn't Bush the member of a race?

I will state unequivocally, that if a complete slate of minority candidates was on the ticket this November and they were as black as molasses they would receive my full support provided
they endorsed conservative positions.

by marumaruyopparai on 4/19/2010 @ 11:44am
@Mofo frm the Hood

Yes, I believe you're right.

by marumaruyopparai on 4/19/2010 @ 12:03pm
Black as molasses

Uh huh. As opposed to a more light brown color? So in testament to the depth of the tea party's integrity they would support a candidate who advocated for their political principles despite the blackness of his skin?

How very noble.

I'm pretty sure most of the criticism of the tea party in regards to racism stems from an apparent distrust of an authority figure because he's black, not because they don't support Obama's political agenda. Not supporting Obama doesn't make anyone a racist. It's okay to rally for your beliefs and it's okay to be a member of a tea party advocating for political reform. That's pretty american.

by NineInchNachos on 4/19/2010 @ 12:04pm
"shape a collective consciousness to serve the dominant power structure"

you mean 'money in the bank' ?

by marumaruyopparai on 4/19/2010 @ 12:04pm
Can we please stop referring to these fringe tea party infiltrators as anarchists and defer to the less offensive homophobically challenged now?

by NineInchNachos on 4/19/2010 @ 12:26pm
Local anarchist groups are offended that words are being put in their mouth with respect to the T.E.A. party movement... utopiaorbust.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/te...

it would appear they see the movement as an opportunity for recruitment. Kinda a no brainier if you ask me. If you're for limited government seems like a slippery slope to self government.

by greenfringegarden on 4/19/2010 @ 2:31pm
Social Justice is a major platform of the Catholic Church and historically became prominant during Vatican II. It has to do with empowering the poor and the suffering, and elevating the poor as the main mission of Catholic Doctrine. In South and Central America, where dictatorships have decimated the people, Social Justice became a theology that included rising up against your oppressor and that might include weapons. This is where "Liberation Theology" came from. Also there are ideas considered "socialistic or Marxist" contained therein. As we know Catholic popes denounced the the concept of using weapons and force in order to create Social Justice. This is one of the splits in the Church. The Church Hierarchy became associated with defending the authoritative regimes. This is a pretty simplistic explanation but it explains why Social Justice in South and Central America and places like Africa is being touted as supporting Marxists Ideas and therefore President Obama is a Marxist and a Dictator. I personally think it is really important to understand this line of thinking to realize the implications. I have been researching events in South and Central America because I have relatives that live there and because I personally find it insane to separate Social Justice from Christianity and Judasim which the current right wing movement is trying to do. One right wing person I occasionally correspond with, accuses President Obama of being a Marxist because he "taught it at Harvard." What I am seeing is that the race to capture wealth in South and Central America by multi National corporations, especially the water will make it easy for the corporations who are now the same as registered voters to spew out all sorts of marketing about Social Justice and taking stuff from other people. I even hope RR Anderson will do a cartoon about it.
This is a great link.
www.oaklandinstitute.org/?q=node/view/18...
We do notice the marketing of words before the takeovers don't we?

by NineInchNachos on 4/19/2010 @ 2:54pm
I believe the Ramones Institute covered this topic in their audio essay... www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4lFyxs-SBo

by NineInchNachos on 4/19/2010 @ 4:22pm
"So what's the Washington connection? Republican Attorney General Rob McKenna got a few headlines for joining McCollum's lawsuit. McKenna said he did so because it was the right thing to do but some observers (OK, me) thought it was an excellent way to firm up his support on the GOP right and that he might think it would help his expected gubernatorial campaign in 2012."

Read more: blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2010/04...

by NineInchNachos on 4/21/2010 @ 9:58am
so many tea party anarchist infiltrators!

www.boingboing.net/2010/04/21/words-of-w...

by NineInchNachos on 4/26/2010 @ 8:21am
america's funny man bill maher in a tea bagger hat making fun of space program and American imperialism

politicalirony.com/2010/04/25/deficit-re...

by NineInchNachos on 6/10/2010 @ 8:49am
"Apparently, State Attorney General Rob McKenna is too busy representing the people of Florida to do his job representing the people of Washington, at least as evidenced by his announcement yesterday that he would no longer represent the state Department of Natural Resources in its legal fight against Okanogan County’s condemnation of Common School Trust land to build a PUD transmission line."

horsesass.org/?p=27611

by fredo on 6/10/2010 @ 9:42am
his announcement yesterday that he would no longer represent the state Department of Natural Resources in its legal fight against Okanogan County’s condemnation of Common School Trust land to build a PUD transmission line."

another incredible miscarriage of justice. thanks for this hot hot hot news story. I imagine a lot of people will be up in arms over the treatment that Okanogan County is getting from the AG. I won't be able to sleep until this condemnation business is cleared up. provides indisputable evidence that McKenna is really out of touch with us Washingtonians.

by NineInchNachos on 6/10/2010 @ 10:13am
even so, this mckenna guy is out of controll!

www.thenewstribune.com/2010/06/10/122090...

by fredo on 6/10/2010 @ 10:23am
heh heh, funny link

by fredo on 11/3/2010 @ 9:53pm
These tea party attacks seem almost quaint in the light of yesterday's election. What looked like an unorganized fringe group just 6 months ago has now landed 3 seats in the US Senate. Will this cause the Democrats or Republicans to move to the right? I find the third party phenomenon very interesting. Does anyone else have any thoughts?

by NineInchNachos on 11/4/2010 @ 12:22am
american people (and corporations who are now people) have spoken: "we want money for nothing and chicks for free"

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 11/4/2010 @ 8:46am
Without taking the Didier Pledge Rossi will lose by his biggest margin yet. Had he taken the Didier Pledge he'd be packing his bags and getting ready to move to DC. Such is the power of the Didier pledge. Sadly Rossi is not bright enough to take it.

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2010 @ 8:40am
nice to see rob mckenna focused on WA state for a change

www.thenewstribune.com/2010/12/29/148139...

by fredo on 12/29/2010 @ 9:05am
"nice to see rob mckenna focused on WA state for a change"

ironically, when the Democratic Governor Gregoire goes flitting around the world, to China, to Germany, to Arizona, to San Diego, in her clueless pursuit of narcissistic notoriety, not a word of condemnation from Mr. Nachos.

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2010 @ 9:12am
executive branches are supposed to drum up external business. What is wrong with you? Gregoire is our Nixon!

by fredo on 12/29/2010 @ 9:23am
"executive branches are supposed to drum up external business"

how's that working?

by The Jinxmedic on 12/29/2010 @ 9:29am
Hmm... ...remind me again what happened with Nixon?

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2010 @ 9:36am
we have blanket coverage of awesome Arizona red light cameras filling the treasury despite tea party efforts to 'starve the beast' and by beast we mean libraries and wshm

by fredo on 12/29/2010 @ 9:52am
I can only imagine world leaders listening to the marketing appeals of our nincompoop governor. Are they really going to take seriously a clueless executive who has driven her government nearly into bankruptcy? That would be like purchasing skin lightening cream from Idi Amin.

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2010 @ 10:16am
why do you hate women?

by fredo on 12/29/2010 @ 10:24am
Gregoire is a woman?

by ixia on 12/29/2010 @ 10:27am
McKenna got himself brand new offices in T-Town. It will cost half a million bucks more in rent per year than the previous location in the Washington Building on Pacific. He also enjoys a sweet government health plan for himself and his family. Now there is a man looking out for us!

by cisserosmiley on 12/29/2010 @ 10:31am
"Attorney General Rob McKenna Is Not Cool"
www.zimbio.com/Medical+Marijuana/article...


by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2010 @ 10:31am
he wants to feel pretty. is that a crime?

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2010 @ 10:32am
Rob's daughter is cool. She voted for Obama.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/29/2010 @ 10:43am
Voting for Obama does not make one cool. Smoking does.

by fredo on 12/29/2010 @ 10:49am
"McKenna got himself brand new offices in T-Town. It will cost half a million bucks more in rent per year than the previous location in the Washington Building on Pacific." ixia

ha ha, when the liberals increase spending that's a good thing, when republicans increase spending that's a bad thing. limousine liberalism at it's finest.

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2010 @ 10:56am
no jinx, smoking doesn't make you cool. playing basketball makes you cool.

by Crenshaw Sepulveda on 12/29/2010 @ 10:56am
McKenna is catering to the TEA party people. How can he curry favor with them if he goes about needlessly increasing spending? How does Rob explain Pacific Plaza to the TEA party people? Tax and spend liberals have no such dilema.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/29/2010 @ 11:04am
I'm not cool enough for basketball. :-(

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2010 @ 11:30am
fredo, do you read the AAEC too?

editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display...

by fredo on 12/29/2010 @ 11:33am
heh, good link

by fredo on 2/1/2011 @ 7:24am
Nachos, do you read the News Tribune too?

"Health care law ruled unconstitutional" Tacoma News Tribune 2/1/11

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2011 @ 7:43am
yes. Activist judges at work.

2 rulings for
2 rulings against

we're tied!

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2011 @ 7:45am
should be cleared up on appeal

by fredo on 2/1/2011 @ 7:50am
what activist judge? the judge didn't change the law or rewrite it, he declared it unconstitutional,

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2011 @ 7:52am
i'm sorry, anarchist infiltrator activist judge

by fredo on 2/1/2011 @ 7:55am
that's better

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2011 @ 7:58am
nihilist "get sick, die quickly" T.E.A. Party anarchist infiltrator activist judge whose weird ruling will by all accounts be swept into the dustbin of history on appeal.

by fredo on 2/1/2011 @ 8:01am
constitutions matter

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2011 @ 8:02am
GAH!

by captiveyak on 2/1/2011 @ 8:17am
the weird part of the ruling was that the HCR bill "stands or falls as one unit." That law was so complicated, so old, so... mish-mashed and ideologicially all-over-the-map that it's very very very very very difficult for me to believe that it was all one cohesive, interdependent piece of legislation.

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2011 @ 8:29am
indeed good sir. NPR tends to agree. the all or nothing ruling was very strange.

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2011 @ 8:30am
Why do activist judges hate Mit Romney's Healthcare ideas?

by ixia on 2/1/2011 @ 8:36am
Public option takes care of conservative judges. Let people buy into the system that the legislature and judiciary enjoy

by NineInchNachos on 2/1/2011 @ 9:06am
Obama is too right wing to ever allow a public option. So we're stuck with moderate republican ideas.

by ixia on 2/1/2011 @ 11:23am
from tea party to me party

by NineInchNachos on 3/26/2012 @ 10:45am
BUMP!  
who is excited for some supreme court action? 

by NineInchNachos on 3/26/2012 @ 3:14pm
he. must. not. win. 
youtu.be/4FrKkB2B6FU

by Non Sequitur on 3/26/2012 @ 10:14pm
BORING


by NineInchNachos on 3/26/2012 @ 10:19pm
uh oh, busted by the fun police sock puppet.

by NineInchNachos on 6/28/2012 @ 7:46am
F. U. Rob McKenna!!

by NineInchNachos on 6/28/2012 @ 7:51am
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