Microsoft Office & Gates Foundation's Secret-Teacher-Union-Busting Replacement Teacher Weapon
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 1:08am
|special thanks to Nathe Lawver for the clippy idea!|
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 1:27am
|meanwhile part 2... |
by JesseHillFan on 9/20/2011 @ 2:25am
|Well it's either Bill Gates or Steve Jobs who will replace these obsolete people.Remember this episode of the Twilight Zone (The obsolete man).www.youtube.com/watch?v=57zZwpbtkDs|
Well it's true librarians are obsolete now too.
by troysworktable on 9/20/2011 @ 7:18am
|Librarians are more vital now than ever before as the amount of media that the average citizen must navigate increases. It's not only books, but now internet sites, databases, resume-writing programs, and the like that one must be able to use. I serve on a library board of directors and the librarians are increasingly being asked and tasked with helping people sift through electronic piles of information to find the metaphorical/metaphysical "needle in the haystack."|
by Joel 413 on 9/20/2011 @ 7:46am
|@troy So true, the need for librarians is extremely great. The fact is that universities have developed Masters on Information Management degrees because the private sector has put such a demand for "Information Specialists" that people with MLIS degrees are not available.|
by Jesse on 9/20/2011 @ 7:56am
|"...and the librarians are increasingly being asked and tasked with helping
people sift through electronic piles of information to find the
metaphorical/metaphysical "needle in the haystack."" -- troysworktable
Sweet! I'll remember that. I didn't know!
by Jesse on 9/20/2011 @ 7:59am
|I never thought about Teachers being replaced with computers but it makes sense in many ways. Although I don't think it'll happen anytime soon, it may happen someday. Maybe one Teacher / IT person per 50 or 60 students? Perhaps you'd need one IT person per 20 students and then we're right back to current class sizes and no net loss of Teachers.
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 8:00am
The government systematically destroys private sector employment opportunities then funds librarians for the purpose of helping people prepare resumes. What an ironic thought. Since the government can't figure out how to help create jobs it's going to help people create resumes instead.
by Joel 413 on 9/20/2011 @ 8:09am
|@fredo Do you think librarians only work in libraries? If so you are sadly mis-informed. What do you think the people who developed Google, Bing, and Yahoo! are? What do you think the people who develop the applications to be able to search Netflix are? Last.fm? Hulu? Pandora? AMAZON?|
These are but a few of the "name brand" businesses that employ people who have MLIS or MSIM degrees.
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 8:11am
|poor fredo, Walmart can't even submit a plan that matches the footprint of the elks property and he acts like it is the government systematically destroying private sector employment. Maybe if those miserable failures working for Walmart LEARNED 2 DRAW you'd be happy.|
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 8:12am
| @fredo Do you think librarians only work in libraries? Joel|
Ha, certainly not. But I was responding to Troy who offered that he served on a library board of directors. I assumed, perhaps mistakenly, that he was referring to a public library.
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 8:14am
"Maybe if those miserable failures working for Walmart LEARNED 2 DRAW you'd be happy." nachosAs soon as Kevin releases feedtacoma 3.0 with draw in the dialog box feature you'll be seeing my "cartoons" to be sure. Thanks.
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 8:15am
|Yeah kevin! we were promised drawing comments! and an about page!!!|
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 8:15am
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 8:23am
Does using a computer to write a resume really require highly trained and highly paid librarians?Does using a simple resume writing computer program really need the skill set of a person who can sift through piles of electronic information to find a metaphorical / metaphysical needle in a haystack? Pretty sure my 8 year old could show someone how to use a simple application.
by Joel 413 on 9/20/2011 @ 8:34am
|The problem with Resume writing applications is that they don't take into consideration how people 'read' resumes. But then again, maybe Clippy can help with that.|
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 8:35am
|human resources department at Walmart: "Jesus Christ did an 8 year old put together this resume?"|
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 8:45am
The people who are wandering around the library looking for some help with their resumes aren't unemployed research scientists. They're people whose last job was parking cars at the monster truck show or mowing yards. Some high school kids could intern at the library to put together resumes for these folks. At no charge to the taxpayers.
by troysworktable on 9/20/2011 @ 8:59am
|@fredo: Yes, I happen to serve on a public library board.|
@Joel 413: I wholeheartedly agree with librarians not only serving in public libraries. The amount of information that the normal Joe/Jane is expected to navigate can be overwhelming. Librarians of all stripes and varieties are important. Let's hope they don't become the new priests of a cult of information, though.
@fredo: Having worked in the retail book industry, I can tell you that a large portion of the resumes that we received were poorly written. On occasion, someone would even forget to put such basic information as their name or telephone number. Some people do need help. And, a librarian serves not only in helping direct someone to resources in building a resume, but helps learn a database to located jobs to apply for, locate company information so that someone can contact human resources of a prospective employer, or locate information that was buried in link after link of websites not useful to a particular search.
@fredo: As far as resumes go, it is a mix of public and private, paid employee and volunteer, who is helping people with their resumes.
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 9:08am
In a discussion of librarians, I think we can differentiate the need for highly skilled librarians who assist private sector companies achieve breakthrough research and the public sector librarians who are asked for help in determining how many paws a dog has.
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 9:49am
|here is some microsoft dude gunning for a 'parents union' www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-former-microsof...|
still nobody is talking about a Students Union. Everybody claims to be speaking FOR the kids... but what the hell do the KIDS have to say for themselves ?
by Joel 413 on 9/20/2011 @ 9:53am
|Students have Student unions. Usually referred to as ASB or Student Council, or some such.|
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 9:56am
|but what legislative powers do they have? can they rain hellfire down upon heads?|
by Joel 413 on 9/20/2011 @ 9:57am
|Only in a "wildcat" sort of way ;) And being under 18 years of age, they have no rights.|
by troysworktable on 9/20/2011 @ 9:57am
|@fredo: Those public sector librarians are as important as the former. If you truly care about people getting jobs, which you claim (low-wage or high-wage), then some people do need help. Public libraries also provide books in native languages (Spanish, Russian, Korean) as well as in English. Public libraries also provide reading programs for children during the summer (to keep them at their reading level when school is on break) and to give younger readers a boost. My daughter is a perfect example of the latter. Her mother and I read with her every night (and have since she was born), but she also had mentoring by two awesome children's librarians. They are partly responsible for a first grader that reads at a seventh grade level. Love your librarians!|
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 12:22pm
OK Troy, I can see how the librarians can help somebody fill out a job application, how they can help esl people find books in their native language, and how they can read to first graders and impart a love for reading. I get that. What I don't get is why we need people with college degrees and corresponding paychecks to provide this. That all sounds like minimum wage.
by troysworktable on 9/20/2011 @ 1:23pm
|It's called training. If someone with no training is going to teach me, then I might as well do it myself. No offense, but I don't want to live in your minimum wage world. All I see is minimum wage jobs being promoted by you. Your utopia/dystopia appears to be filled with a bunch of entry-level, minimum wage workers ripe for exploitation by the few. Are you one of those elite that will lead the masses? If not, then who?
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 1:37pm
|Troy, last year the City of Tacoma closed two branch libraries because the costs of operating the branches (staffing costs primarily) were too high.
No offense, but I don't want to live in your overpaid public employee world. All I see is increasing cutbacks in service levels so that a handful of pampered city workers can continue to enjoy a lavish lifestyle. Your utopia appears to be filled with just a few highly paid jobs and nothing for people who are only looking for an opportunity with an entry level job.
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 1:41pm
|aim higher Fredo. Did you know microsoft goons have their own islands and crap?|
by troysworktable on 9/20/2011 @ 1:43pm
|The Puyallup Public Library isn't filled with overpaid public employees. I can speak to that since I serve on the library board. There are a few librarians with training and experience who have earned the pay they receive. They are far from lavishly paid. There are also many entry level jobs for library assistants and the like. Some have held those positions long-term for various reasons. Others have used those "entry level" library assistant positions to determine if they want to become librarians or as a springboard to their own library information system educations and degrees. I don't want a world of a few highly paid jobs. I haven't argued that. You, however, are almost always preaching about entry-level minimum wage jobs. I just happen to imagine a world that is more than poverty level, working poor, service industry jobs.
by Joel 413 on 9/20/2011 @ 1:52pm
|@Fredo What happens in your world when the people who will take less pay get these jobs and work at them for a little while, then someone else who will take less pay comes along?|
Oh wait, that was the 19th and early 20th century. You know what. our kids don't need to go to school either, kids are much better at doing menial tasks, we could put them all in stools in long rows in a warehouse and give them bread and water to eat. And what's with weekends and holidays and vacations, I bet there's people who don't care about those and will take less money and work every possible hour until they fall over dead.
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 2:04pm
|I can't debate you on how the Puyallup Public Library operates. After all I've never been there and you are on the board.
However, we should be able to discuss the Tacoma Public Libraries since we are all familiar with those. How do you respond to my point that 2 branches were closed because of high operating costs? Wouldn't it have been better to keep the branches open with some minimum wage employees, or do the now-vacant buildings advance some utopian agenda that isn't obvious to me?
I have no experience in library work let alone a degree, but I'll bet I could work at any library in town and answer most peoples questions with no problem. Most of the library jobs look pud easy.
by Joel 413 on 9/20/2011 @ 2:05pm
|And why do you have that knowledge Fredo, from whom did you learn these things?|
My guess would be a librarian.
And I bet you could be a library assistant and check books in and out, and shelves the books that have already been cataloged. But there is much more that goes on than what you see in the "front of the house"
by troysworktable on 9/20/2011 @ 2:09pm
|@fredo: I'm not going to play around with "straw man" arguments. When you want to have a real discussion about real jobs in the real world, then we can talk. You could just as easily be a police officer or fire fighter or doctor with your line of thinking. I will simply state again that I am glad that I don't live in your world of nightmares.
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 2:19pm
|Joel wrote "You know what. our kids don't need to go to school either, kids are much better at doing menial tasks, we could put them all in stools in long rows in a warehouse and give them bread and water to eat."
That would be defined as a straw man argument. I never endorsed child labor and we have well enforced laws preventing this arrangement.
by fredo on 9/20/2011 @ 2:21pm
| But there is much more that goes on than what you see in the "front of the house"
That's for sure. I walked around behind the librarian at Wheelock library and she was playing solitaire.
by troysworktable on 9/20/2011 @ 2:31pm
|More likely a "slippery slope."|
by troysworktable on 9/20/2011 @ 2:34pm
|"We are the hollow men / We are the stuffed men / Leaning together / Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! / Our dried voices, when / We whisper together / Are quiet and meaningless / As wind in dry grass"|
—from "The Hollow Men" by T.S. Eliot.
by NineInchNachos on 9/20/2011 @ 4:12pm
|people are getting jazzed www.king5.com/news/Tacoma-teacher-taken-...|
by L.S.Erhardt on 9/20/2011 @ 9:17pm
|Heh... Fredo and Doomafudge present in class.|
by NineInchNachos on 9/21/2011 @ 3:29am
|update! The Governator might get her feet wet! |
by fredo on 9/21/2011 @ 6:44am
In an era of shrinking budgets every dollar needlessly spent on payroll or worker benefits at the library is a dollar NOT available to acquisitions. I for one would not want to live in a world where the only thing you could find at the library was a few glorified employment counselors. A library without a wide range of new books is a nightmare world.
by jenyum on 9/21/2011 @ 7:04pm
|No announcement yet on school tomorrow (usually the district lets us know around 5)|
My children are nationally famous... for bickering...
by jenyum on 9/21/2011 @ 8:09pm
|Michelle Malkin on Tacoma: "the infamous odor caused by the pulp mills and cow manure"|
um... as the saying goes Michelle, she who smelt it dealt it.