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EMERGENCY WEEKEND EDITION: LIFE IN THE CROSS HAIRS

How does this make you feel?
posted Jan 8, 2011
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Thanks for inspiring insane people to fly their light airplanes into the IRS or murder innocent elected officials. Let's see how you like being in the cross-hairs and let us hope(y) that this cartoon does not INSPIRE the same kind of murderous lunatics!  


by fredo on 1/8/2011 @ 3:02pm
Sarah Palin is trying to inspire the murder of elected officials?

Really Mr. Anderson, you need to check your medications.

by jenyum on 1/8/2011 @ 3:08pm
I agree that the crosshairs map was reprehensible and very irresponsible, but it appears right now (if my afternoon of tweeting has yielded reliable sources) that this particular suspect is a left-leaning radical who suffered a psychotic break.

Rumored to be his Youtube channel:
www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

(The Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, and We the Living (Ayn Rand's first book) are all on his list of favorite books. He covers all ideological bases.)

A high school friend (not verified, but seems likely to be) describes him as "left wing" when she last saw him in '07, in her Twitter stream:

twitter.com/#!/caitieparker

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 3:16pm
a day of twitter...

twitter.com/#!/captiveyak/status/2387791...

twitter.com/#!/maddow/status/23853704297...

twitter.com/#!/BreakingNews/status/23877...

twitter.com/#!/barryeisler/status/238625...

twitter.com/#!/captiveyak/status/2387720...

twitter.com/#!/michellemalkin/status/238...

twitter.com/#!/washdems/status/238719734...

twitter.com/#!/SuzyKhimm/status/23871790...

twitter.com/#!/Wonkette/status/238711316...

twitter.com/#!/kathygriffin/status/23864...

twitter.com/#!/MotherJones/status/238646...

twitter.com/#!/BreakingNews/status/23862...




by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 3:19pm
from what I understand of my TEA party lore, the TEA party movement is non-partisan... ?

by jenyum on 1/8/2011 @ 3:21pm
Asked if he and his staff feel this situation is frightening, Grijalva said absolutely.

“I and the people that work in my office inform me that they didn’t sign on to put their life at risk, and my family didn’t sign on, either … There is no lesson to be learned. The lesson should have already been learned. It is not only about the difference of opinion, but how we handle the difference. There needs to be an acceptance of divergent views and how we act like a community. The state of Arizona is the bellwether state as the creator of much of the division across the nation. The leadership in Congress and at the state level—they need to better understand that their anger, their vilification of others who disagree with them needs to stop. There needs to be civil discourse.”


www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2...

by jenyum on 1/8/2011 @ 3:23pm
@NIN: theoretically I suppose, but show me a Tea Party candidate who isn't caucusing with the Republicans. Regardless, I'm not sure the Tea Party has anything to do with this. I'm not sure we know anything right now.

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 3:23pm
probably just more ANARCHIST INFILTRATORS!

yfrog.com/h6suep

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 3:28pm
"You can't push Nazi Evil Death Panel Terrorist Hitler 2nd Amendment Reload Socialist Communist language & be shocked when violence happens."

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 3:31pm
wonkette.com/434631/america-acts-shocked...

www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=485459...

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 4:25pm
from my facebook...

Ronnie Bush: I looked at Sarah Palin's site. I cannot believe she would actually use gun scope crosshairs on her site map. Like we don't have enough trouble with guns in our country. Thank you RR for bringing this to our attention. Sarah Palin, AGAIN, shame on you.

by fredo on 1/8/2011 @ 4:29pm
Sarah Palin uses crosshairs: BAD THING
RR uses crosshairs: GOOD THING

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 4:30pm
www.thenewstribune.com/2011/01/08/149395...

from TNT commenters:

lefty_coast 20 minutes ago in reply to RR Anderson
" You know what? Generally I like your stuff, but this one is simply out-of-bounds. I am all for the First Amendment, but you might want to rethink it."

radec 21 minutes ago in reply to RR Anderson
"Hopefully RR Anderson is investigated by the authorities to the fullest extent for that piece of garbage."

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 4:31pm
@fredo is satirical. I find the cross hairs image equally horrifying. this type of crap needs to get called out.

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 5:00pm
Tacomic on Horses Ass horsesass.org/?p=32094

by jenyum on 1/8/2011 @ 7:30pm
From the Tuscon Weekly:

I guess you want to blame a movement or radical belief for what happened, so that there's someone to blame bigger than just one shooter or that the madness makes a little sense, but after poring over the digital remnants left behind by Jared Loughner across the Internet, the one thing I feel like I can say about the 22 year old is that he seems to be someone desperately needing mental health care.


bit.ly/errhn7

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 9:25pm
reads like the Hans Zeiger or that insane Teacher Stalker

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 9:27pm
RT @GoldyHA: Republicans don't just need to condemn the violence and rhetoric. They need to APOLOGIZE for it.

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 9:29pm
ABC: Sheriff Clarence Dupnik on Arizona Shooting: "We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 9:37pm
wonkette.com/434658/cops-seek-second-sus...

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 9:56pm
need more condemnations like this... www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/sta...

time to step it up

by fredo on 1/8/2011 @ 10:00pm
"Sheriff Clarence Dupnik on Arizona Shooting: "We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

Clarence who?

by marumaruyopparai on 1/8/2011 @ 10:05pm
When will the American electorate realize that as long as we continue to vote blacks, hispanics and liberal immigrant sympathizers into office the white conservative christian minority will continue to feel more and more disenfranchised? What choice do they have but to take matters into their own hands and begin indiscriminately shooting legislators, members of the judiciary, and anyone else who gets in the way?

The blood is on your hands American voters!

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 10:12pm
This Tacomic stands to refudiate violence. Imagine if everyone just put down their guns and spent time mentoring a child

by NineInchNachos on 1/8/2011 @ 10:15pm
Does everyone remember this Tea Party bumper sticker? bit.ly/hbf02a #RhetoricKills

by marumaruyopparai on 1/8/2011 @ 10:26pm
How is mentoring a child going to protect our borders or put health care back in the hands of the private sector Mr. Anderson?

Sarah Palin is just trying to defend American values! Nobody puts baby in a corner!

by cisserosmiley on 1/9/2011 @ 1:59pm
mentoring a child will probably fix national security and overall public health. WE as a people spend so much money on institutions like CPS & DSHS that it takes the lion's share of public money in wa state. if people mentored kids, stop abusing them, started feeding them good food, and all around took a hire level of care and responsibility for kids, our socialized costs would drop. then, if people wanted we could spend sooooo much $$$ on big fences and medicaid it would be like bush3

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2011 @ 2:04pm
FLASHBACK:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/north...

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2011 @ 3:06pm
politicalirony.com/2011/01/09/pointing-t...

by jenyum on 1/9/2011 @ 4:15pm
"Second Amendment Remedies"

www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2011/1/8/9342...)

by fredo on 1/9/2011 @ 4:49pm
jen, it would probably be a good idea if politicians like those pictured would dial back the rhetoric a bit. and i think we will see more judicious use of the term targeting and all the wild west/militia man stuff.

by fredo on 1/9/2011 @ 4:52pm
the left likes military imagery too, check this out:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVg8Ztn6sgg

by ixia on 1/9/2011 @ 6:10pm
The kid is too nuts to be let on campus or to join the military. Yet he can buy a semi automatic glock and enough ammo to take out half a town. Now that's freedom.

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2011 @ 6:15pm
"it would probably be a good idea if politicians like those pictured would dial back the rhetoric"

AMEN!

by jenyum on 1/9/2011 @ 6:19pm
People on the left have been known to say some things and use some imagery, that are regrettable. However, I don't really see a photo of Mike Dukakis wearing a flight suit and pointing as an example of that.

by fredo on 1/9/2011 @ 6:37pm
"I don't really see a photo of Mike Dukakis wearing a flight suit and pointing as an example of that" jen

Yes, that link was intended to be a "satirically vitriolic cartoonish link" as opposed to an "actual vitriolic image link." I thought you would be able to recognize the difference.

by captiveyak on 1/9/2011 @ 6:40pm
hey, if freedom is at stake, we can't let crazy people - like this kid in AZ - make a bad name for violent resistance.

by JesseHillFan on 1/9/2011 @ 7:02pm
Here is one of my favorite PC games in which you can replicate what Lee Harvey Oswald did (it's really murderously good fun to play (not ever to be done in real life though)).
All they have now is the demo version available though on the external link (Buy hey it's free)..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK:_Reloaded

You get more points for replicating what actually happened although it can be fun to take out other people too like Lyndon Baines Johnson,Lady Bird Johnson,Jackie O,Secret Service,Police officers and others.
www.cool.com.au/computers-technology/per...

Plus as a good refresher here is the 1964 documentary
"Four Days in November" Here is the start of Part 1.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XThQz78UbOY

by captiveyak on 1/9/2011 @ 7:23pm
i would just like to clarify that my previous comment was an awful one.

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2011 @ 8:10pm
JHF, we can always count on you to make things weirder!

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2011 @ 9:10pm
obamalondon.blogspot.com/2011/01/inexpli...

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 8:00am
re-posting here because it's good stuff....



by The Jinxmedic
on 1/10/2011 @ 6:22am Fredo- I'm with RR on this one- there is a huge difference between the expectations of a political cartoonist (whose job is to satirize, inflame, ridicule, and sometimes shock), and that of a political movement intending to influence policy (by "political movement" I refer to things such as mainstream political parties, political action committees, and public interest groups). The political movement should behave in a fashion within the expected rules of behavior within society. (Granted, the left were huge violators of this during the previous administration. I hold the right to a higher standard, as I expect the far left to behave like little spoiled children in most cases).

Besides, if one was to actually emulate RR's work, there would be a lot more people urinating on the Tacoma Dome, eating dismembered corpses of civil rights leaders, projecting explosive diarrhea into Lake Tapps (Borrrf!), and making lovable muppets into phalluses. Distasteful? Sure. Ted Rall is far worse. But then again, that's political cartoonists are supposed to do. The only difference is one of degree.

I will say again, because you seemed to miss it- Sarah Palin plays a very necessary place on the national stage, empowering those in "flyover country", the very same people who feel that their voices have not been heard in many an election cycle. Now that these people have have seemingly selected a voice, Palin must learn very quickly that metaphors should be selected carefully when one is in a position to influence policy (which is what a PAC tries to do, by the way), and that a poorly chosen theme can come around and bite you in the butt.

John Kerry learned this the hard way when he chose to market himself as a "war hero".

--- end ---

RR commentary: Lord help us all if a political cartoonist were expected to perform to the same standard as an elected official (also I think John Kerry is a war hero, and take offense to the 'spoiled children' quip but that's why freedom of speech is awesome! ).

by fredo on 1/10/2011 @ 8:13am
Let's try to remember that RR is not merely a political cartoonist. He's also a failed politician, much like Palin. He uses pen and ink to inflame people with internet postings, Palin uses Powerpoint to inflame people with internet postings. I would call RR an actual artist and Palin a perfomance artist. The only other difference is that RR want's to muzzle Palins message, while Palin has expressed no POV on RRs message.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 8:21am
HA feedback on above cartoon:

horsesass.org/?p=32094#comment-1056591

horsesass.org/?p=32094#comment-1056611

@fredo I don't want to muzzle anyone. I want Palin to be self aware (as all humans and or machines should be).

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 8:23am
democracy now....

www.democracynow.org/2011/1/10/jeff_bigg...

www.democracynow.org/2011/1/10/pima_coun...


PR Watch...

www.prwatch.org/node/9851

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 11:01am
made it on politicalirony.com

It’s just a surveyor symbol?

politicalirony.com/2011/01/10/its-just-a...

by fredo on 1/10/2011 @ 11:12am
This just in! It's possible that a vitriolic message from the President was to blame:

"President Obama has used similar metaphors, telling Democratic donors in 2008, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

by fredo on 1/10/2011 @ 11:16am
RR@ can you draw a cartoon showing President Obama urging Democrats to begin "bringing guns?" Or is the problem of vitriolic political messages only a concern when it involves a Republican?

by The Jinxmedic on 1/10/2011 @ 11:20am
Fredo- good one, and another good parallel for Chicago politics as usual. Who's that new White House Chief of Staff again? "Daley" somebody? Heh.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 11:27am
@fredo

It's already been done.
mattbors.com/blog/?p=2955

Republican or Democrat matters not to me. I am against assassinations by gun toting crazy people.

by fredo on 1/10/2011 @ 11:32am
The democrats love the violent imagery:

"Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, ran ads during last year's campaign that portrayed him with a high-powered rifle, placing a cap-and-trade energy bill in the crosshairs and blasting it to pieces."

by captiveyak on 1/10/2011 @ 11:34am
The only grounds for stronger finger-pointing at the GOP is their constant advocacy for gun rights - at any and all costs. The only cautionary measures checking gun rights do not originate in GOP circlces. If the country was a lefty majority, we can be relatively certain gun rights would be severely curtailed. Thus, the GOP attracts those who place a high value on weaponry while the democratic party attracts those who don't. That's why it's laughable to try to say, "hey, let's not let the pot call the kettle black," when the pot is clearly proud of whatever people see it as.

by fredo on 1/10/2011 @ 11:39am
yak, good point. but of course the gun rights advocates have a valid counterpoint. had someone at the Griffins rally been armed they could have put an end to the shooting before 15 or 20 people had been victimized.

by captiveyak on 1/10/2011 @ 11:41am
though, admittedly, my rightwing background might make me a little more biased against the right than i ought to be. but i'm pretty sure most conservatives i know are quite comfortable with the macho, gun-owning, aggressive, "shoot the infidels" kind of chest-thumping crap. Not that any of them act on it. Only the crazies do. But still, no Republican is going to get elected running on a platform of peacefulness and gentility. Ever.

by fredo on 1/10/2011 @ 11:42am
RR the Bors cartoon was a good one. But I wanted to see an RR treatment. That would show your fans once and for all that the motivation for your drawing was an honest attempt to enlighten people about vitriolic messages and not just a reason to bash Sarah Palin.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 11:49am
are you trying to Didier me? Like Dino, I see your trap a mile away.

by fredo on 1/10/2011 @ 11:55am
just as I suspected...illusory interest in preventing vitriolic messages, solid interest in bashing Palin and the tea party.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 11:59am
thanks fredo, but you're wrong.

by captiveyak on 1/10/2011 @ 12:11pm
i think the question sitting at the core of all this is: "Is there such a thing as a dangerous opinion? And are we capable of embracing it?"

People on both sides of these debates are quick to attack the rhetoric but quite loath to inspect the feelings to which the rhetoric appeals.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 12:22pm
we live in a time now where politicians must appear on the TEE VEE and rub a gun against their genitals to win support of the all powerful gun lobby. The more vigorous/obscene the gun to genital rubbing the more gun lobby support. One can imagine the kind of effects this has on unstable young people.

With full-spectrum support of my online commenter friends no matter what their ideological leanings; this is one failed politician who pledges to end the rubbing.

Thank you.

by The Jinxmedic on 1/10/2011 @ 12:30pm
Watch out- that thing might go off...

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 1:14pm
too late!

blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2011/01/10...

by ixia on 1/10/2011 @ 1:47pm
this today's banner advertiser at the trib



by ixia on 1/10/2011 @ 1:56pm
My guess is the Tucson gun-shop owner will never be held responsible for selling a semi automatic to a lunatic. Just like the Tacoma gun shop never really disappeared even though a gun missing from there (among hundreds of guns missing) was used in a serial killing. Hard to understand that a majority of Americans does not mind to live with gun violence all around and export the carnage to Mexico as well. Palin�s rhetoric might be stupid. Her stand and the tea party stand on gun rights and the right of gun owners to deal death as they wish brings tragedy upon the innocent and their families.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 2:00pm
was that the beltway sniper ? Thought they bought the gun from Bullseye.

by JesseHillFan on 1/10/2011 @ 2:01pm
I disagree with the Free 10 Question Weapons and Tactics Quiz on that advertiser's website especially question #2.He left out the submachine gun and the hand grenade which ruled at Stalingrad in 1942.

by ixia on 1/10/2011 @ 2:04pm
They did not buy the gun. That gun was among several hundred guns that 'disaperead' - NO paper trail. I think the owner claimed all those guns were stolen.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 2:14pm
JHF, they also left out this on #2

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28n...

by ixia on 1/10/2011 @ 2:16pm
And personal atomic attack drones...never know when those neighbors get annoying again.

by JesseHillFan on 1/10/2011 @ 2:22pm
I agree NiN. The Davy Crockett can make an excellent exception to the saying "No one can beat city hall".

by jenyum on 1/10/2011 @ 2:37pm
Facepalm

www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2011/1/10/935...

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 2:48pm
ok ok, maybe singling out palin is unfair.

www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/...

by JesseHillFan on 1/10/2011 @ 3:33pm
Who would sell this man a gun?Look at his face.
The gun store should have its license pulled or the employee fired or both.
www.komonews.com/news/national/113230734...

by The Jinxmedic on 1/10/2011 @ 3:53pm
Travis Bickle, anyone?

legacythumbs.weheartit.netdna-cdn.com/20...

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 3:53pm
JHF, agreed. You know something is up when they shave off their eyebrows.

by Maria on 1/10/2011 @ 3:53pm
NineInchNachos: "ok ok, maybe singling out palin is unfair."

That's a great article, esp. the opening paragraph:
Liberals should stop acting like the Tea Party is guilty of inciting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' shooting until proven innocent. That's unfair. If someone finds evidence that violent anti-government, or anti-democratic, rhetoric helped trigger Jared Lee Loughner's shooting spree, then the people making those statements should pay with their political careers. But so far, at least, there is no such evidence. Of course, Sarah Palin should stop using hunting metaphors to discuss her political opponents. She should stop doing that, and a dozen other idiotic things. But just as Tea Partiers are wrong to promiscuously throw around terms like "communist" and "death panels," liberals should avoid promiscuously accusing people of being accessories to attempted murder. That's too serious a charge to throw around unless you have the goods. I want Barack Obama to derail the congressional Republicans as much as anyone. But not this way.


Really, RR, though I get your point, I don't see a connection between Sarah Palin and one young man's mental illness. This could easily be a Tacomic of all the victims of shooting and violence where the perp was displaying behavior for years, such as fantasies, stalking their victim, delusions, paranoia...and their family and friends watched in horror as they declined, without many options for getting help.

Blaming or attributing this tragedy to Sarah Palin (or FOX News, the Tea Party) is like blaming the Hale Bopp Comet for the deaths of 39 people in 1997.

People who are delusional will fixate on something, anything. Jesus, John Lennon, the movie "Taxi Driver," the song "Helter Skelter," aliens, communists, Catholics, etc. etc.

by ixia on 1/10/2011 @ 4:21pm
Ronald Reagan killed the fairness doctrine

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 9:38pm
OK So... having spent the evening in a multicare getting the small plastic object out of my son's nasal passage way has delayed this week's NEW regularly scheduled Tacomic to next week.

Hey Maximilian, are you going to shove things up your nose at school anymore?

"No, Daddy" says he.

by NineInchNachos on 1/10/2011 @ 9:45pm
do any of these topics appeal to my readers?

1. When TPD gets a DWI, "the honorable thing to do" (Seppuku) With cameo by Julie A!

2. - to hell with the Tacoma WSHM - fence update?

3. golf course & golf course tree owned by Pierce County Sewer (chambers pot bay)

4. JBLM 'most troubled base in america' according to stars and stripes newspaper

5. (TBA) Chick Tract ? end with 'next step' Dean & David Curry mega church ad

6. Tom McCabe leaves BIAW in disgrace

7. IMAGINE TACOMA - public access TV (the traveller show)

8. secret short list of new Tacoma Action Figures

by jenyum on 1/10/2011 @ 11:29pm
9. State budget cuts and The Children Left Behind

"Report Card 9 - The Children Left Behind" (Unicef)
A landmark report by the UNICEF Innocenti
Research Centre has found that children in many wealthy European nations and the United States
suffer greater inequality than children in numerous industrialized nations.


Chart from the New York Times based on UNICEF report showing the US ranked last out of 24 industrialized nations in child well-being:
www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/12/12/op...

Opinion piece related to chart: "America's Most Vulnerable"
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=...

Budget cuts to hit children's health/K-12 education:
www.thenewstribune.com/2010/12/16/146724...
tacomamama.com/content/budget-cuts-hit-k...

Impact locally:
tacomamama.com/content/budget-cuts-may-m...

Cuts will hit the youngest and the most vulnerable the hardest, with preschool programs for at-risk 3 year olds, and all-day kindergarten being cut in most districts.

Where's the funny... I don't know, I was hoping you could help with that. Someone already dubbed that NY Times chart "The Scoreboard that Really Matters" there's probably a visual to be found there if I were any good with sports metaphors.

by Maria on 1/11/2011 @ 12:37am
Good article from the LA Times on the difficulty communities have with predicting violent behavior in people showing signs of mental instability.

www.latimes.com/health/la-he-mental-heal...

If we're able to have a national No Fly List, why can't we have a national No Buy List for guns? I'm a firm believer in Constitutional right to bear arms...but I don't think keeping weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill is infringing on anyone's rights.

by cisserosmiley on 1/11/2011 @ 1:21am
6

by The Jinxmedic on 1/11/2011 @ 6:02am
5

by The Jinxmedic on 1/11/2011 @ 8:33am
Maria- we do have a "no buy" list for guns, the NCIS background check. It has been in place for almost twenty years, and is mandatory.

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2011 @ 8:49am
interesting... therumpus.net/2011/01/surely-some-revela...

by inbloodyrise on 1/11/2011 @ 8:51am
4

by fredo on 1/11/2011 @ 11:59am
The clueless liberals haven't gotten the memo about the improper use of language which results in vitriolic subliminal messages which might incite unbalanced individuals to committ Arizona style mayhem.

State employees are “really under the gun right now,” said Daniel D’Haem, who chairs the union’s internal organizing committee. “We are a target during a time like this for all the politicians who don’t like the labor movement in general.”



Read more: www.thenewstribune.com/2011/01/11/149724...

Ha ha this is too funny.

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2011 @ 12:06pm
Fredo. what is with you man?

by cisserosmiley on 1/11/2011 @ 12:08pm
in all fairness even the tv station in tucson is kGUN channel 9
their slogan is kGUN 9 - AT YOUR SIDE!!!
www.kgun9.com/

by fredo on 1/11/2011 @ 12:24pm
How much longer until the Target Corporation begins renaming its stores? Everytime they switch on their sign they are throwing fuel on our national vitriolic speech debate.

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2011 @ 1:09pm
heh: "So Palin & crew are feeling unjustly blamed for the actions of an extremist. Maybe they can ask Muslims for advice on how to deal w/ that."

by Maria on 1/11/2011 @ 1:12pm
The Jinxmedic: "Maria- we do have a "no buy" list for guns, the NCIS background check. It has been in place for almost twenty years, and is mandatory."

Yes, true. But it doesn't cover gun shows or private sellers. It does have a provision for to deny weapons to those adjudicated as "mentally defective," but apparently this provision is pretty much useless (see below article, written after the Virginia Tech deaths, for multiple examples of how weak these provisions are).

pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/43/3/1.1...

I am not anti-gun or gun ownership. About 80% of my friends own guns. My Dad was a marksman in the military. I'd just like to see more effective enforcement of existing laws limiting gun ownership to law-abiding, sane adults.

by captiveyak on 1/11/2011 @ 1:14pm
ok ok ok, fine Fredo. Everyone carry on as before. There is no such thing as inappropriately violent language because people will pretend to be threatened by anything. Let the MARKET decide. If people don't like violence, they'll... aww screw it.

People love violence. I want to shoot violence in the face so people will quit loving it.

by Maria on 1/11/2011 @ 1:19pm
I've read some good Op-Ed pieces including the one RR references above, but this best so far:

David Brooks, NYT
The Politicized Mind

www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/opinion/11bro...

Excerpt:
"These accusations — that political actors contributed to the murder of 6 people, including a 9-year-old girl — are extremely grave. They were made despite the fact that there was, and is, no evidence that Loughner was part of these movements or a consumer of their literature. They were made despite the fact that the link between political rhetoric and actual violence is extremely murky. They were vicious charges made by people who claimed to be criticizing viciousness.

Yet such is the state of things. We have a news media that is psychologically ill informed but politically inflamed, so it naturally leans toward political explanations. We have a news media with a strong distaste for Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement, and this seemed like a golden opportunity to tarnish them. We have a segmented news media, so there is nobody in most newsrooms to stand apart from the prevailing assumptions. We have a news media market in which the rewards go to anybody who can stroke the audience’s pleasure buttons.

I have no love for Sarah Palin, and I like to think I’m committed to civil discourse. But the political opportunism occasioned by this tragedy has ranged from the completely irrelevant to the shamelessly irresponsible."

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2011 @ 1:55pm
OK fredo, this will blow your mind www.alaskadispatch.com/blogs/palin-watch...

by The Jinxmedic on 1/11/2011 @ 2:23pm
Maria- the NCIS does not cover private sellers, that's true. But contrary to popular conception, there really is no "gun show loophole". For example, in Washington State (which is typical), only members of the hosting organization can purchase firearms at a gun show. Members can do this, because they have already passed a more stringent background check than what the NCIS entails - that being the one required for concealed weapons licensing. (This includes having an FBI fingerprint card on file.) Anyone can pay an admittance fee and visit a gun show, but that doesn't mean that they will be able to purchase firearms.

Yes, regarding illegal possession and use of firearms- like with illegal immigration, illegal drug use, (and radical bicycle activists that flounce traffic laws), existing federal laws should be more strongly enforced. Will we see this in any of these cases? I doubt it.

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2011 @ 3:09pm
more gun play from Pam Roach

blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2011/01...

wow

by cisserosmiley on 1/11/2011 @ 3:58pm
in an international comparison, unemployment rates had more correlation with gun violence rates than gun ownership rates.
(journal of interpersonal violence)
jiv.sagepub.com/content/early/2010/03/16...

by jenyum on 1/11/2011 @ 4:38pm
OK, Auburn politically active people need to start getting together now (whether democratic or republican) and start vetting some real, strong candidates.

by fredo on 1/11/2011 @ 5:00pm
"unemployment rates had more correlation with gun violence rates than gun ownership rates" cissero

that may be the case in Arizona. it seems the gunman was just a sort of loner, working occasionally. of course you can't make headlines like the sheriff of Pima County by blaming unemployment, better to blame a convenient whipping boy like political rhetoric. Looks better on TeeVee.

by NineInchNachos on 1/11/2011 @ 5:29pm
just in case anyone missed it...


Roach prefers the seat near the wings because she feels safer there. She can "hide behind a marble pillar if somebody tries to shoot," she said.

"I want to be able to get out fast," she said.

Read more: blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2011/01...

by cisserosmiley on 1/11/2011 @ 7:45pm
with all the unemployment in wa state i would want to hide behind a marble pillar too...can't the leg just conference call, then WE the people could turn the capitol building into condos

by fredo on 1/11/2011 @ 7:49pm
that's funny RR. in roachs case she may not be speaking metaphorically.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 2:47am
Maybe it's all a right wing republican plot, maybe there is a connection between the massacre and Palin's use of militant symbolism and inflammatory rhetoric. Perhaps the symbolism and rhetoric are presented in a manner intended to induce hypnosis in a very small subset of the population, like a widely dispersed cell of conservative republican sleeper soldiers.

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 9:06am
Maybe it's all a left wing democratic plot, maybe there is a connection between the massacre and Obama's failed presidency and inflammatory rhetoric. Perhaps the symbolism and rhetoric are presented in a manner intended to induce hypnosis in a very small subset of the population, like a widely dispersed cell of socialist democrat sleeper soldiers.

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 9:15am
Mama Grizzly is against violence www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme...

Violence is not the answer.
Is violence the question?

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 10:06am
As I said while campaigning for others last March in Arizona during a very heated primary race, 'We know violence isn't the answer. When we "take up our arms", we're talking about our vote. -Sarah Palin

If you're talking about your vote than talk about voting, not taking up arms. If you want to symbolize voting, symbolize it with something that has anything at all to do with voting, like a ballot, that's how symbolism works.

Saying 'I condemned violence that one time' is kind of like a bigot saying I have a gay friend.

Inflammatory Obama rhetoric? From that monotone talking suit? Democratic sleeper soldiers. That's just silly. Seek therapy.

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 10:13am
Sarah Palin has a constitutional right to say whatever she wants...just as you do Mr. marumaruyopparai.


Why would Sarah Palin install a sleeper cell? Her popularity is on the ascendency, Obama's is on the descendency. More likely that Obama set up the Palin PAC website for the purpose of embarrassing her later. I would attribute all that crosshairs stuff to socialist agitators. Remember, Obama recently told Democrats that they need to "bring guns." That sounds pretty inflammatory to me.

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 10:43am
Is it hard pretending to be so ignorant all the time?

see subgenius scripture "If you act like a dumb shit, they'll treat you like one of their own!"

Meanwhile, a commenter on the TNT site was giving me beef for saying that all TEA party people should be rounded up in box cars and sent to FEMA re-education camps to be made into soap and lampshades. Let me clarify my statement. Violence is not the answer, what I meant by soap and lampshades was voting and ballots and stuff.

it is a shame that the deranged actions of one lone gunman will have a chilling effect on my colorful metaphors and poetic first amendment rights.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 10:44am
@fredo
Because she's insane? Look deep into that wide eyed winking gaze and tell me you don't see the insatiable desperation of a crazed zealot. Clearly your 'bring guns' quote is hopelessly out of context, sounds like malicious conservative spin to me. Perhaps if you posted a link?

by The Jinxmedic on 1/12/2011 @ 11:00am
Subgenius scripture? All hail Bob!

"what I meant by soap and lampshades was voting and ballots and stuff." Truly the stuff of awesome satire! (okay, my sense of humor is somewhat warped, I do admit that.)

For Fredo and Marumaruyopparai - here's a link to the Obama comment in question: blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-...

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 11:11am
obama should have said 'predator drone' instead of gun to a knife fight

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 11:14am
Obama's gunfight rhetoric is as reprehensible and uncalled for as Palin symbolically putting Giffords in the crosshairs. I condemn violence. I also condemn symbolism in all it's evil and misleading forms.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 11:15am
@RR
No, that would have been overkill. Too symbolic.

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 11:17am
Obama said "bring a gun" and that was the code term that his sleeper cell was waiting for.

Jinx, I'm pretty sure Maramaru could find the Obama quote if he had any real interest. One need only Google "Obama bring a gun"

Maru, you claim that people with a wide eyed winking gaze are insane. Is this an actual clinical definition, or is it just the only thing you can find to criticize about Ms. Palin?

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 11:20am
"Carry a big stick"

Theodore Roosevelt (D)

by The Jinxmedic on 1/12/2011 @ 11:22am
Marumaruyopparai said "overkill"....

by jenyum on 1/12/2011 @ 11:57am
Fredo the first half of that Teddy Roosevelt quote is "Speak softly and"

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 12:05pm
Gah! I must condemn my own condemnation of symbolism!!! Idioms don't count!! They're woven throughout the fabric of spoken and written discourse! For god's sake people, use discretion, words are dangerous!!!

I'm going to go wash my mouth out with soap right now, and then make a list of idioms I find unsavory. Overkill is going on that list without question.

by jenyum on 1/12/2011 @ 12:06pm
Idioms are dead to you.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 12:09pm
@fredo
I don't really like that faux-fargo/canadian-esque way she talks doncha know you becha winkity wink eh! Its creepy.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 12:11pm
That's going on the list too Jenyum.

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 12:13pm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel

wonkette.com/434979/oh-no-sarah-palin-re...

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 12:13pm
@fredo
She also has that manly square jaw, too woodsman meets beauty queen.

by ixia on 1/12/2011 @ 12:17pm
Alaskan magic: from christian mama grizzly to Jew in pogrom….overnight.

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 12:17pm
marau, I know what you mean. I wouldn't vote for her as a Presidential candidate. I don't think she has what the job really requires. OTOH I don't see any purpose in muzzling her just because she used some vitriolic imagery. I've put up plenty of examples of vitriolic imagery from Democratic Party politicians. Let's try to be fair. And speaking of personal habits that are offensive I would have to point out the President's smoking habit. This seems like a pretty stupid affectation for someone who is practically a deity.

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 12:34pm
Like my friend Joe Miller says, yes technically Palin is qualified for president

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 1:05pm
Could God roll a cigarette so big even he couldn't smoke it?

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 1:11pm
His wife is trying to teach kids good eating habits and cure America's obesity while he stands there smoking cancerettes. Mixed signals? Do as I say not as I do.

by The Jinxmedic on 1/12/2011 @ 1:18pm
"Blood Libel" in politics: www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/256...

The president's "enemies" semi-apology: content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval...

(the comments on that second link are particularly "vitriolic" - and it's mostly NOT the right making them...)

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 1:45pm
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) are they a right wing or left wing hate group?


by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 1:47pm
Do you know the difference between a hockey mom and pit bull ? Lip shtick

by The Jinxmedic on 1/12/2011 @ 2:31pm
ha ha!

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 3:23pm
Joining our countries defacto law prohibiting anyone from drawing a picture of Mohamed:

A new defacto law prohibiting anyone from using the following words in thought, speech or print:

Kill
Crosshairs
Target
Overkill
Enemies
Gun
Stick
Knife


God bless us all and our wonderful PC world.

by The Jinxmedic on 1/12/2011 @ 3:40pm
Fredo- you needed to have arranged that list to form an interesting anagram.
Like: "GETSOCKK" or "TOGSKECK" or something.

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 3:47pm
My fellow countrymen, it is high time we take up the hatchet of freedom, and strike a blow again and again and again and again and again deep into the screaming face of tyrants who would seek to limit our constitutional rights. The tree of liberty obtains her nutrients from flash-floods of blood, fertilized with bits of hair balled together with fractions of scalp, shattered teeth and cheekbone, guts... veins... bile...

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 3:50pm
(proceed to the group w bench)

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 4:17pm
imagine tomorrow's PC world where we substitute wonderful words for hurtful words. Perhaps a gun would be a "banana," crosshairs would be "puppetshow" and gunman would be "howdy doody."

here's how Saturday's events in Tucson might have unfolded.

"calling all cars, there is a report of a howdy doody down at the safeway, he seems to be looking at a puppetshow and pointing his banana at our congresswoman."

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 4:19pm
we do that now

rifle scope = surveyor's mark

by The Jinxmedic on 1/12/2011 @ 4:19pm
Too soon, Fredo. Too soon.

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 5:06pm
good stuff

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...

meanwhile David Horsey responds like a man

blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/archives/...

by doublegemini on 1/12/2011 @ 5:41pm
Ftr, Palin is not GAINING popularity. I believe the cancelation of her reality show demonstrates that well enough. And of course all of the things that come out of her mouth.

I like this picture, even if I don't blame her for the specific shooting. But she does advocate violence, it seems. As do most politicians. But when something tragic like this happens, it SHOULD take people aback and make them reflect on their own actions and words to make SURE that they aren't being taken wrongly. And if you're a political figurhead or a person who lives IN the PUBLIC'S EYE, then you have the responsibility to set an example. Not to fall prey to this nonsense.
But she's human, so it's not all her fault

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 6:07pm
"But she does advocate violence" doublegemini

link please

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 6:27pm
Palin is more of a bombastic figurehead than much of a politician. Her whole narrative seems to be based on bombast. The masculine equivalent of a Sarah Palin cornered momma bear speech would simply be a lot of crotch grabbing and chest beating. Actually I kind of wish she would do that, it would come across as more sincere.

The crosshairs are quite understandable. Palin is a bit of a redneck, her repertoire of modes of self expression is likely a bit limited.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 6:29pm
Blood libel though? Boorish and tactless to be sure. The blood libel thing might be a bit harsh.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 6:51pm
Oh, so SHE invoked the term blood libel. I was trying to defend her here, apparently she's just a moron. Just got done watching the video, I retract my previous statement.

by fredo on 1/12/2011 @ 7:42pm
Clearly Sarah Palin didn't cause the Tucson massacre but I suppose in some sense she's always going to be held responsible. At least people aren't blaming the video game manufacturers any longer. I'm sure they're happy to have someone else take the heat.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/12/2011 @ 9:43pm
They should make a Sarah Palin videogame.

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 10:01pm
thanks David Horsey!

blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/archives/...

by ixia on 1/12/2011 @ 10:21pm
Palin video game haha! - that'd be just the box

by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2011 @ 10:39pm
I love Obama www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztbJmXQDIGA

by fredo on 1/13/2011 @ 12:05am
You like Obamas speech yet he doesn't seem to be blaming Palin like you are. Here's an excerpt:


Bad things happen," he said, "and we must guard against simple explanations in the aftermath."

Read more: www.thenewstribune.com/2011/01/12/150001...

by marumaruyopparai on 1/13/2011 @ 2:16am
I don't think the 'Palin is at fault' arguement will hold up under any measure of scrutiny once a comprehensive psychological profile of the shooter is put together. The kid is obviously deeply mentally disturbed. The last I heard the guy was very upset with Giffords following a public forum after she failed to assuage his fears concerning the impact of improper grammar on sound governance, that's not particularly rational. I doubt Palin's unfortunate use of symbolism had much to do with that.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/13/2011 @ 2:27am
But still, it doesn't make her look like a paticularly conscientious diplomat in the wake of an event like this. Using a term like 'blood libel' is only going to further compound these bad publicity issues.

by fredo on 1/13/2011 @ 8:01am
she's not particularly astute but i don't think she's trying to incite violence. even if political rhetoric wasn't to blame however, it would be nice if leaders on both sides would tone down their messages a bit.

IMO, and we all know that's not worth much, the main cause of violence and many other social ills is high unemployment. the government should be taking bold action to move rates down if it wants to stem violence. the issue of vitriolic rhetoric is just a convenient whipping boy.

by marumaruyopparai on 1/13/2011 @ 9:02am
I blame the unnecessarily high minimum wage myself.

by NineInchNachos on 1/13/2011 @ 9:22am
high unemployment, blathering idiots being taken seriously (ala palin) and easy access to guns is not a healthy environment.

Where is the New Deal & CCC for 2011?


by The Jinxmedic on 1/13/2011 @ 10:04am
Don't forget the NRA (National Recovery Act). Ha!

by NineInchNachos on 1/13/2011 @ 10:15am
Now there's an NRA I can get behind!

by NineInchNachos on 1/13/2011 @ 11:16am
“I wouldn’t blame our political rhetoric any more than I would blame heavy metal music for Columbine. And that is coming from someone who truly hates our political environment.” – Jon Stewart

“I do think that it’s a worthwhile goal not to conflate our political opponents with our enemies, if for no other reason than to draw a better distinction between the manifestos of paranoid mad men and what passes for acceptable political and pundit speak. It would be really nice if the ramblings of crazy people didn’t in any way resemble how we actually talk to each other on TV. Let’s at least make troubled individuals easier to spot.” – Jon Stewart

by NineInchNachos on 1/17/2011 @ 8:37am
wonkette.com/435380/theyre-really-seriou...