Authentic Hilltop H.T.C. Recruitment Poster
by Jesse on 4/23/2013 @ 7:52am
|First off, who pays attention to the nationality of a small business owner? I don't. |
Second, rents skyrocketed in the mid-200's for everybody. They crashed post-2008 for everybody. No conspiracy here.
Rize talks like "authentic black culture" is criminal gang culture. Disgusting.
Second Cycle may get a rent deal because they're a non-profit. Anything they could have charged over their true rent of $500 is a write-off for the building owner.
To single out a neighborhood and label it for one race is racist. What if I was writing in The Volcano bitching about a few black people moving into Proctor? Would that be ok? No.
The Volcano needs to stop giving this guy a platform to spill his hate. I was shocked they went to print with that piece.
White people haven't "red lined" Hilltop. Add one more street named after a black person and it's the black people who've red-libned themselves. MLK plus Earnest Brazill plus just one more road would make a red-lined zone.
If Hilltop is "gentrified" than I have a bridge to sell you!
The only thing I could see right about these articles is that there isn't a good path out of a gang. Society does need to figure out a way to help these guys who have made bad decisions as kids, become respectable adults.
by cisserosmiley on 4/23/2013 @ 8:52am
|To that one crip who in 1989 tried to sell us crack so I grabbed your arm while my buddy floored the gas pedal then we put a gun in your face and yelled "drop your crack or i'll make pizza outa your fuckin face" then you screamed like a child while throwing your crack all over; please don't glorify hilltop culture.
by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2013 @ 10:23am
|BREAKING: Ron Swarner The Weekly Volcano does not sponsor nor support gangs and certainly does not sanction gang recruitment.
by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2013 @ 11:11am
|well I stepped in it... |
RR Anderson Did my doodle live up to expectations Paul Schrag ?
Paul Schrag All but the one about you being a decent dude at heart. This is disgusting and borderline libelous. Even worse, it doesn't provide any kind of insight - it just perverts people's perceptions further. I had become fond of you, RR. This just breaks my heart. I am so sorry to have been a part of any conversation that produced this. This is all the reaction you're going to get out of me today.
by cisserosmiley on 4/23/2013 @ 1:08pm
|Can't we all just get along...maybe blue should be the official color of Tacoma! We could wear scarves or carry handkerchiefs to show our pride!|
by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2013 @ 2:04pm
by wildcelticrose on 4/23/2013 @ 2:11pm
Some clueless Johny come lately young punk trying to tell those of us
who live here the history of Hilltop? (seriously, who gave this idiot
space in this publication?)
First off, 12th and Trafton isn't even Hilltop, so thanks for playing, try again.
I happen to know the history of my house. (which IS on the Hilltop) It
was built in 1917 by immigrants (from Sicily) as were most of the homes
in this neighborhood.
This neighborhood was built by Italian,
Greek, Slavonic Scandanavian, German, Hungarians ,Japanese, Southeast
Asian, Russian Jew, African American and many other immigrants.
This neighborhood was and IS the American Dream, where so many are building and/or reclaiming their lives.
Not long ago, my house was a vacant, burnt out shell filled with gang
graffiti and according to neighbors who lived here in the 80s, was a
headquarters for the Crips (hey bozo glorifying thug life, they're based
in SoCal). There is a bullet hole in my front concrete steps.
It was then owned by a slumlord (that's when the bullets flew after a near riot that originated here)
As for the fear of "gentrification" (oh and those dreaded white people
who work for a living and pay their taxes) the neighbors on either side
of me (both African American and Hilltop residents since before the bozo
that wrote this piece was even born) were thrilled when I bought and
fixed up this house because it would no longer be a source of drug and
You see, people of all colors and economic status want their neighborhood to be a safe place to raise their children.
Grow up and get a life...
by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2013 @ 2:19pm
|this is GREAT... |
April 21, 2013
DEAR KATY AND NATHAN,
Shame, shame, on both Katy Evans and Nathan Bowling (I feel sorry for
the kids in his history classes!) How dare you place blame on the youth
of our communities for things that were completely out of their
control? This is not about Nathans nostalgic memories of his childhood
growing up in Hilltop, the restaurants he ate at, and the lawns he
avoided walking on. For a history teacher, I am shocked that is what you
would dilute this discussion down to, you should know better. There is
a context to the Crips, they did not appear out of a vacuum and sent up
from California to Washington to destroy the beautiful Hilltopia that
Nathan remembers, conveniently leaving out the constant PO_LICE
harassment and destruction of all those black owned businesses he so
fondly recounts. If I were to list the businesses that made Hilltop the
amazing neighborhood it was the article would never end, and its already
gonna be long, cause man, this needs to be addressed. By the way, did
you guys see Josh perform his Spoken Word piece for DASH’s function last
night? Guess what it was on? Hilltop Gentrification! He was greeted
with standing ovations and hugs from Hilltop residents.
Any way of glorifying gentrification is much more dangerous than Mr
2Hott’s latest video, trying to give some props to some kids who you
would just like to criminalize and demonize. If you read Rizeberg’s
replies to some of the comments, people taking this personally, instead
of seeing it as the legitimate gentrification issue it is, you would
know the city raised rents on all the black business owners until they
were forced out and then rented the buildings to, oh yeah, those places
Katy raves about; formed mostly by outsiders who did not come from the
neighborhood and were strategically chosen by the city. These replaced
black owned music labels, One Famm, and other vital elements to a
thriving black Hilltop community. There is so much history that is
overlooked here it could be a book, but hopefully, my message can be
heard without it all.
This is a social and political issue that is so far reaching that,
yes; it can be seen in the black communities of L.A. to the East Coast
Shores of New York. It is dangerous and irresponsible to over identify
the Crips as being the blight of Hilltop, Mr 2Hott is a CHILD, mind you.
The adults involved in this situation should be garnering much more
attention than a child who is using a valid form of musical expression
to voice what is on his mind. If you ask me, reading this article was so
much more offensive than anything coming out of a child’s mouth. This
is because a so called “journalist,” which, Rizeberg does not even claim
to be, but apparently Katy does, and a history teacher should know
better. They at least have a fully developed frontal lobe, although
their empathy skills and ability to do a systemic analysis on issues
they claim to know so much about may be direly lacking.
Attitudes like these irresponsible Tacomans are what fuels Gang
Injunctions and Mark Lindquist our Prosecuting Attorney’s belief that he
can harass 36 young black youth and their families and threaten them
with lives in prison, most of them without even committing a single
crime. If you were more aware you would be able to see past what you
found personally offensive and understand you are falling prey to a
strategic tactic used by the city to target certain neighborhoods and
understand that even the word “gang” is being used to destroy the young
black youth of our communities.
I am assuming you have not heard of gang injunctions, because if you
had I am sure you wouldn’t sound as ignorant as you do (at least I hop).
These are special courts where no representation is allowed (no public
defenders and no rights that any other defendant of any other courts
would have & FYI they are planning on also doing this with the
homeless population, (the No Sit/Lie Laws) it has already happened in
Seattle and San Francsisco). If a youth is identified as a “gang
member,” which can simply mean standing on a corner with some friends
(which I did every day of my youth), having a friend who is thought to
be involved in “gang activity” (got those, too), wearing certain colors
(colors I wear everyday), having tattoos (got those), is proof enough
for the TPD that the person is in a “gang.” After being added to the
gang injunction list, they can then be barred from entering into certain
communities or streets. Streets that their families live on, sometimes
streets even they live on, so going home is actually violating the gang
injunction and can end with yet another black, male, youth in prison,
leaving them out on the streets with no place to go. This mostly is
fueled by, yep, gentrification.
The first wave, pushing people of color into city centers for
military involvement to employment opportunities among other shameful
reasons, made it possible for the PO_LICE to, in the name of protecting
white and wealthy neighborhoods, harass these youth and confine them to
certain areas. Then the second wave of gentrification was when the
wealthy communities decided they wanted to live and have businesses in
those same city centers. So the city, seeing a $ making opportunity,
started raising rents and kicking out folks of color yet again,
harassment and economic displacement, being their favorite weapon of
choice. Just look at public records most of those businesses were
bought by the city around 2005.
Gang injunctions are Jim Crow laws allowing law enforcement to target
and harass certain communities. It would be nice if it was as cut and
dry as Katy and Nathan is proclaiming, but unfortunately it is far from
it. Again, I echo Rizeberg’s sentiments, before you make a comment
about social and political issues DO YO RESEARCH!!!! I actually tried
to see about leasing out the former Tempest and was actually told that
if I plan on playing any hip-hop at all she would not even consider
renting to me because, in her words, historically, hip hop has attracted
a certain type of crowd where inevitably a gun is pulled out. I’ve been
going to hip hop shows for almost 15 yrs and have never seen a gun get
pulled out, so where is she getting her info? Other white, privileged,
racist folks and maybe misguided history teachers?! So, guess who gets
to rent those places? White, racist, hipsters, and bougie privileged
folks. Diane Tempest is the perfect example of how black culture, such
as hip hop is demonized resulting in the discrimination of black folks.
One way to do this is to label as many black folks as you can as “gang
members” and focus solely on their music as violent and scary.
Katy, when’s the last time you listened to Hip Hop, no I don’t mean
Macklemore, the fact that you were red flagged by the term “streets”
just shows how out of touch you really are, like really? Seriously, you
should be embarrassed of yourself, you sound like a old, white, racist,
church lady. Ever heard of an analogy or historical revisionism? Hip
Hop uses the first to correct the latter, study up if you want to sound
The term “gang member” is a term now used in the Jim Crow fashion,
giving PO_LICE carte blanche to treat young people of color any way they
see fit, usually it being very unfit. This is the blight from L.A.
Nathan should be concerned with shaming and disgracing, not neighbors
and peers. Focus on the correct issue, because when you don’t that
means no one is watching the PO-LICE or the City and those folks who use
gang injunctions feel they can do as they please, and if you have seen
the PO_LICE harassment in Hilltop lately, you would know they do.
Again, Rizeberg, thank you for pointing out some of this conveniently
overlooked history in your responses to the ignorant reactions to your
consciously (not mistakenly!) written piece on a young artist in Tacoma
and his pride of neighborhood. Although, Nathan would like to
invalidate Mr 2Hott’s kind of pride of neighborhood, he at least is
speaking truth, unlike Nathan, who prefers to focus on his pretty and
tidy version of how the Crips entered into our culture and communities.
Katy, like you said you’re a middle class white lady who is sticking
her nose where it shouldn’t be, stop co-opting other people’s struggles
and speaking for a community you don’t have any connections to. If the
only way you can speak on it is by seeking out some lame history teacher
who probably is only familiar with the Church culture of Hilltop, sorry
for the assumption, but there were a lot in your responses as well, not
the Hip Hop culture, two very different things, then just don’t speak
on it cause your making a fool of yourself. Nathan, focus on your
totally unpoloticized and white washed view of the education system. I
am sure you think it is the savior for all, along with Jesus or some
b.s. Rizeberg has a long history in Tacoma working for the Hilltop Fax
Newspaper, when it was still in circulation, Hilltop his beat. His
mentor growing up was Mr. Henderson from the African Bookstore, someone
who Katy has probably never even heard of. He teaches at DASH, and that
is just a brief history of his involvement in the Hilltop Hip Hop
Let me get back to the point though, for a history teacher, I am
surprised you would not be aware of the well documented context out of
which the Crips formed. Going back to 1950’s LAPD’s “Bloody Christmas,”
the Crack poisoning of black L.A. communities (google Oliver North),”
Rodney King, the L.A. RAMPART scandals, just a tiny glimpse of the hell
PO_LICE Departments have inflicted on our black and communities of color
& it still goes on today. Crips along with many other turf crews
are identified by law enforcement and thus the community as being angry,
crazy, out of control, maniacs, who do not represent their version of
black, the version they approve of. These are the type of folks who
like to think their better than their peers cause they “found a way out”
or “pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and rized above.” Bullshit
that perpetuates and allows things like the gang injunctions to happen.
Many gangs have programs running for their turfs similar to the Black
Panthers, who were similarly demonized and flushed out, PO_LICE and the
white community only focusing on the fact they have guns or use a
militant style of organizing. Breakfast programs, help with rent and
other bills, protection from the City and taking the brunt of the
attention and harassment of the PO_LICE are all attributes that the
likes of Nathan and Katy would never reveal, but they sure do like to
give the benefit of the doubt to white communities, NGO’s &
non-profits (not all prey on our youth, but many do), the education
system, the Military, and all the other organizations that target and
destroy the cultures of our youth of color.
If your gonna place blame, blame the most responsible, not our youth.
I am not saying gangs never did anything wrong, but if you understand
how history plays out, which I would assume a history teacher should,
there are certain facts, that if left out, distort the whole story. This
is historical revisionism and it is very powerful at advancing the
destruction of marginalized communities. Shame, shame, I am left
saddened and angered by this article. You two are TPD’s wet dream, as
long as folks like you are around TPD, real estate developers, and the
city will feel they can treat Hilltop any way they feel fit, thanks
Nathan and Katy.
by KevinFreitas on 4/23/2013 @ 2:20pm
|New Link light rail extension is headed for MLK! (don't tell Rizeberg and 2Hott)|
by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2013 @ 2:35pm
|MEMORY HOLE.... (for posterity) |
by pesha on 4/23/2013 @ 2:38pm
|People commenting on this have literally no true connection to or understanding of the real issues at hand. The are true political and social issues that are deep seeded in these articles and I think this post is lacking in giving some really important contextual information, that if not given, truly distorts history and reality. This is called historical revisionism, a powerful strategic tactic commonly employed by the dominant culture to silence honest and open dialogue about community issues that threaten their interests.|
What is actually really
shocking is how uninformed people commenting on this article are. Does
anyone know what a systemic analysis is or looking at the bigger picture, to
put it in more easily accessible wording, is??? The people who pay attention to the
“nationality” of small business owners?” That alone sounds incredibly
ignorant. Nationality of black Americans
is American, same as white folks, its race and culture that people are talking
about mattering here and the ones it
matters to are the ones concerned with gentrification (a system of
discrimination), and economic displacement that certainly does target
marginalized communities the hardest, do some research!
I am sure it’s great living in your world
where racism doesn’t exist and everyone is treated the same, unfortunately,
almost every sociologist, anthropologist, person of color, race studies scholar
and everyone in any field that studies these issues disagrees with you. Especially, the people who are most negatively impacted by it, statistically
speaking, that is in FACT communities of color. This is bigger than being offended by
one of your friend’s feelings getting hurt or reacting personally to a
legitimate community issue. Everyone is missing Rizeberg’s point! Did
you see him perform his spoken word piece at DASH’s last event. It was about Hilltop gentrification, there
was a standing ovation and ORIGINAL Hilltop residents and business owners went onto the stage to
thank and hug him. Rizeberg wrote for the Tacoma Fax (Hilltop his beat), he teaches at DASH, his involvement in the original pre-gentrified Hilltop community is very extensive and he is respected and appreciated, so, whoever Jesse is, you really sound incredibly racist, ignorant, and pretty much have a complete misunderstanding of what gentrification is, the implications of it, and what communities are most heavily affected by it. This is not hate; it is irresponsible and uninformed to say
it is hate. It is actually the constant
PO’LICE harassment and economic displacement of marginalized communities and
city officials passivity’s on these issues that is hateful.
This is not about if the new white business
owners are "nice" or "good business owners" or whatever. There were
over 26 black owned businesses in Hilltop, almost all are gone. This did not
happen in any other part of the city, again, do your research. It is like comparing apples and oranges. This is, also, not about those privileged
enough to displace previous black business owners. No one is saying it is their
fault, but in order to be a conscious citizen you need to understand what your
actions are doing to the communities around you. You can be the nicest,
friendliest most well intentioned person in the world, but if you are not aware
of the political and social implications of the decisions you make, then your
personality type or your rights to have a business wherever you want is
irrelevant. One example, I tried leasing the old Tempest, Diane Tempest openly told me she would not lease to anyone planning on playing Hip Hop That is a modern form of redlining. Hip hop is a historically black music, therefore it discriminates disproportionally against black folks. Get it straight.
Jesse you just really need to learn more about
gentrification issues because it is obvious you really have no idea what you
are talking about. There are books and
classes on it, please if your interested, you should read them and not perpetuate inaccurate information.
by pesha on 4/23/2013 @ 2:52pm
|Oh I just have to say one thing to wildcelticrose? |
"As for the fear of "gentrification" (oh and those dreaded white people
who work for a living and pay their taxes) the neighbors on either side
of me (both African American and Hilltop residents since before the bozo
that wrote this piece was even born) were thrilled when I bought and
fixed up this house because it would no longer be a source of drug and
This is such an incredibly racist statement, "white people who work for a living and pay their taxes???" Oh so, all those people of color living in Hilltop previously do not work or pay taxes, this is a highly offensive statement (def not the only one in ur post, but the one I chose to focus on.) You have no idea what your talking about, please read my previous posts on this page, because right now you sound really out of touch.
by pesha on 4/23/2013 @ 3:00pm
|Hey NineInchNachos! I didn't even see that you had posted my post defiance post on here. Thanks for the props!!
by cisserosmiley on 4/23/2013 @ 3:14pm
|Ya Jesse, read a book dude!|
by Jesse on 4/23/2013 @ 3:58pm
|Gentrification isn't racism. It's classism and completely about money.|
Thanks for calling me a bigot though.
by wildcelticrose on 4/23/2013 @ 5:07pm
|Nice try painting me as a racist Pesha,|
I was not the one that started talking about race (my complaint is with glorifying gangs and violence) It was the writer who played the race card with, "white guys with beards". I just pointed out that those white guys with beards work for a living and pay their taxes.
What's good for the (Gray) Goose is good for the gander ;)
by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2013 @ 6:16pm
|NEW! comment from fb|
Zach Powers I
don't agree with everything he has to say (though I agree with a lot of
it), but I'm disgusted that Josh's perspective isn't being respected as
that of a proud hilltop resident and longtime local artist and
organizer. I'm further shocked and appalled, RR, that you've been making fun of him like a schoolyard bully on facebook for days now.
by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2013 @ 7:27pm
|hyper interesting! via fb... |
Jason Ganwich JR
put himself out there and made some pretty controversial statements and
endorsements which RR has simply and creatively characterized in a
sketch. Anyone critical of this sketch is by default, critical of JR.
by NineInchNachos on 4/23/2013 @ 10:02pm
|here they come! |
by captiveyak on 4/24/2013 @ 1:36pm
|everything that happens in Tacoma is great, except for the people who criticize the things that happen in Tacoma. THOSE people are really not so great. A good friend of mine once said, "Tacoma is quality indifferent." |
Passion for Tacoma and its neighborhoods is a legitimate carthe blanche.
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 1:43pm
|politics of gentrification... |
by KevinFreitas on 4/24/2013 @ 2:08pm
|It's OK to dodge, what @RR coined, the "hugpile" once in a while Tacoma. Critique is good.|
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 2:16pm
|grow a beard captiveyak
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 2:30pm
|PAUL IS ON THE WARPATH! |
Paul Schrag "Hipsterism
and post-hipsterism are synonymous with irony. Cool, urban youth wear
the cultural artifacts of tacky bygone eras, poor people and people of
colour, and it’s funny - because some people actually wear these
artifacts for real. Get it? Yet the problem with this side of
hipsterism is that it is based on ridiculing others; inside it is an
empty subculture, with nothing of its own other than leveraging one’s
own privilege to mock others. But more than this, from the outside,
when you wear a fanny pack, acid wash jeans and a handlebar mustache,
you look just like the person you’re mocking. In the attempt to
satirise others, hipsters become them."
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 2:31pm
|Paul Schrag "Hipster
racism often hides under the unassailable guise of satire. People who
suggest that something is racist, and not actually funny, are told that
they obviously just don’t get it, and that the whole point of humour is
to push boundaries. They are told that the racism is so obvious and
overstated that it’s meant to be laughed at, and that people are
laughing at the racism and the racists, not supporting the ideas which
are supposedly being mocked. But, oddly enough, a lot of racist satire
doesn’t read that way, and it ends up just being racist, full stop."
by pesha on 4/24/2013 @ 3:31pm
|wildcelticrose: Talking about race does not make you racist. Avoiding the topic of race issues, silencing those who speak on them does make you racist, though. So, not being able to access employment or be able to pay taxes makes someone less good than someone who can? I am just trying to figure out what white people working and paying taxes has to do with gentrification, economic displacement, etc unless your saying its good for the community because they work and pay their taxes and the previous people did not. How else does it connect? Please explain, I'd love to hear.|
Jesse: Gentrification is classicism and disproportionately negatively affects communities of color, therefore it is about racism.
Gentrification and classicism many times go hand in hand, they are not mutually exclusive. I don't know where you got that idea from because every sociologist, poverty scholar, policy analyst, and pretty much anyone working in the field would not agree with you on that. Gentrification encompasses a lot of social ills, classicism and racism being two of them.
Sorry for calling you a bigot, but if its sounds like a bigot, defends themselves like a bigot, then its not one? In my community that is what people that think like you are called. My bad.
by pesha on 4/24/2013 @ 3:33pm
|Paul Schrag, your awesome! Those are the best definitions of hipster-ism I have ever heard. That needs to go in the urban dictionary stat!
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 3:37pm
|KEEPING IT REAL. THANKS PESHA!1!!!!!
by Jesse on 4/24/2013 @ 5:17pm
|"Jesse: Gentrification is classicism and disproportionately negatively affects communities of color, therefore it is about racism." - pesha|
It's only racist if it SEEKS OUT people with pigment to gentrify an area in which they are the majority. The qualifier for gentrification to happen is money to be made in an area. Real estate has a life cycle with ebbs and flows. Where one neighborhood is the "it" neighborhood one decade, it will certainly be different a few decades later. Developers (the drivers of gentrification) seek run down areas to bring up. Yes, certainly some of those (many) are ethnic neighborhoods because the property is cheap there and their new projects will pencil-out and make the developer money. I really don't think it has much to do with a conspiracy of destroying neighborhoods that are traditionally one ethnicity or another. It boils down to money.
"Sorry for calling you a bigot, but if its sounds like a bigot, defends themselves like a bigot, then its not one? In my community that is what people that think like you are called. My bad." - pesha
I'm not the one who assumed all black people are poor or lack the ability to get themselves out of poverty. That's you. Am I the one keeping score of the ethnicity of the businesses I patronize? No... no... that's you.
I take being called a bigot seriously. Perhaps you should know who you're talking to first before making serious accusations by pre-judging (prejudice?) people.
Also, would you like to see my degree from WSU in Sociology? How about the one in Social Sciences? Business?
by wildcelticrose on 4/24/2013 @ 5:21pm
|Once again pesha, you are reading what you want in to my statements and twisting them to fit in to the argument you want to have.|
I am speaking against the glorification of gang culture on the Hilltop.
But you have a nice argument with yourself or anyone else who cares to enter in to a one sided debate with you.
by pesha on 4/24/2013 @ 7:02pm
|Jesse: That is incorrect, even without seeking out, specifically, a certain type of people, it is still racist. Insensitivity to the affects the actions you have on communities you move into is racism, even if that is not their intention. This is a form of institutionalized racism. Who cares if it is a conspiracy or not it is happening and destroying cultural neighborhoods, displacing the residents, and tearing families apart. Conspiracy or not that is racist when the developers and city does not value that community enough to protect them. Economics and race are so closely connected, a sociology degree is pretty useless if they didn't teach you that. |
No I dont give a shit about degrees, I just know some people do. Communities of color are disproportionately living in poverty and lack the same opportunities that white, wealthier people have, thus affirmative action. These are facts, so pointing that out and incorporating it into a social and race analysis is actually responsible, leaving it out would be racist.
Keeping score of the ethnicity??? Again, total misunderstanding of gentrification. When the city, real estate developers, and building owners are actively discriminating against already marginalized groups, then it is very necessary to "keep track" of who the business owners are, what businesses are kicked out, and who is responsible. That is the whole idea behind making redlining illegal, but now business owners have found loopholes and have figured out different ways of doing the same thing, but outside the banking system. Sorry for calling you a bigot. You just sound like one and, again, for people in my culture, your viewpoints do sound bigoted to us.
celticwhiterose or whatever, I know you are speaking against the glorification of gang culture, duh. Your the one that missed my point. Its obviously useless, you cant follow, and you love gentrification.
Both of you sound like some teapartiers and there is no point in arguing with them, so you win. I cant s
by pesha on 4/24/2013 @ 7:03pm
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 7:12pm
|it's true. everyone here is just a big TEA party member except me.
by Jesse on 4/24/2013 @ 7:22pm
|At pesha: You're paranoid. Thanks for playing!|
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 8:16pm
by wildcelticrose on 4/24/2013 @ 8:22pm
|I think Jesse is my new hero ;)
by rachelervski on 4/24/2013 @ 9:40pm
I’ve been doing my best not to comment, because as others
have suggested before me, this seems like an uphill battle best fought in
person. Or at least over the phone. But really, what I want to talk about is
feelings. Something that most humans seem to have. Or at least most of the
humans on here, do.
I’ve been thinking a lot about this topic for the better
part of the year. Not Hilltop, just racism in general (aka classism aka white
privilege aka whatever you want to call it). There was a conference on white privilege
this past week, actually, that I wish I could have attended, because it
addressed everything that’s been going on in these threads in a macro-kind a
way. But I digress.
Let me just get it out there—I’m not black (I know,
shocking). I am a Latina
by a bit of blood and a good part of my soul, but I don’t claim to understand
the experience of a person with noticeably darker skin. What I do understand,
however, is how deeply entrenched in racism our culture is; so much so that we
take for granted that even our everyday vocabulary is tainted with it. I also
can understand how infuriating that must feel to those that recognize it and
attempt to point it out, only to be called “paranoid,” or “extreme.” I’m a
feminist that has no qualms with that label or pointing out someone’s
inadvertent sexism, so I think I can relate to that frustration on some level.
But like I said, I want to talk about feelings (because that
shit’s universal), and really, this is what this is boiling down to right now.
It seems that both sides of this debate are feeling
discriminated against. It started with the “white guys with beards and
black-rimmed glasses” quote (one of which I happened to be married to), which,
for obvious reasons, felt like a dig. Because it was.
And then it was the Crips. Gang violence. Scary gun shit.
Gentrification. Gangta rap.
Oh yeah, where was I again? Feelings.
If you are a human and none of the above terms stirs up some
kind of emotion (positive or negative), then you should probably check your pulse.
So then, what now?
I’m guessing that most people on here would like to move
forward on the race debate. Many argue that we live in a “post-racial” society,
but obviously, we don’t. So how can we? How can we create serious dialog
without it degenerating into name-calling and morality-questioning? How can
people of color get to the point where they feel safe and not discriminated
against, and white people feel like they’re not going to be shut down for
talking about race?
If that sounds too heavy, I’ll start with me. What can I do?
Because I would like to do my part and I would like it to change. Because we
have an entire planet that is seriously fucked if we can’t work out our
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 9:50pm
|good stuff beanzandrize.bandcamp.com/
by rachelervski on 4/24/2013 @ 9:53pm
|'Get the hell off my bunions' Yes.
by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2013 @ 10:01pm
|thanks rachelervski! the conversations are still hot on volcano and post defiance... worth scanning!
by cisserosmiley on 4/24/2013 @ 10:22pm
|I'm unhappy to find out @Jesse is a TEA party person.|
by Jesse on 4/25/2013 @ 6:52am
|"I'm unhappy to find out @Jesse is a TEA party person." - cissero|
by Rize on 4/25/2013 @ 7:37am
|@ NinInchNachos - Dude, thanks for plugging the album! Since ya opened the promoting can-of-worms; Beanz & Rize have a show tomorrow, Friday, @ Le Voyeur in Olympia, 10pm, shit is FREE!|
@ Rachelervski - Thanks for listening, here's a video for that song,
by Mofo from the Hood on 4/25/2013 @ 7:51am
|My mother was born to Italian parents on South 13th and K when the area had a significant Italian population. Berating ethnic groups was as common then as now. Some things will never change, not even with the passage of laws. |
Hilltop as "the" Tacoma black community is largely a post-World War 2 development. The local military bases introduced Tacoma to people from all points of the U.S.A.. Many of those people decided to set up housekeeping in Tacoma; and Hilltop has hundreds of big, well-built houses and a prime central location to all types of goods and services.
There is a phenomenon known as "white flight," and it's similar to another phenomenon called "capital flight." In each scenario, people abandon a risky geographic area for a more rewarding area. It's easy to change locations, but it's nearly impossible to change people.
by NineInchNachos on 4/25/2013 @ 7:58am
|Fight the power! www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bK7XqO6mUM|
by captiveyak on 4/25/2013 @ 9:23am
|it's easy to only focus on one aspect of an issue as big as "gentrification." I agree, regardless of the INTENT, racial injustice is still A result of gentrification. It is not THE ONLY result of gentrification. OF course we limit opportunities for those in poverty by increasing capital flow in urban neighborhoods. Of course, the people bringing the capital are not motivated by racism. They are motivated by a generational shift that is moving cultural value from subdivisional sprawl to urban concentration. THAT is a good thing for everyone. Now, in the name of sensitivity, should the mobile middle class determine to only move their business and homes to areas of existing wealth? Because the trend of the mobile urban middle class is not going away. The middle class is going to raise their kids in the urban setting too, increasingly so as Generation Y ages and has school age kids. That means the dynamic of urban schools is going to continue to change. |
What's the answer here? It sounds like the "Dominant culture" is unable to be sensitive to the authentic cultures because it simply cannot see accurately. If that is the case, then any and all attempts of governance and integration are by nature racist. So... what? What is practically supposed to be done? How do we move forward? Put a moratorium on urban housing development? Cap rent rates? Create districts where only long-time residents can lease business space?
by NineInchNachos on 4/25/2013 @ 9:35am
|How can get kids more involved in their neighborhood street gangs to resist police/politicians controlled by clandestine government agencies?
by cisserosmiley on 4/25/2013 @ 11:13am
|I did once put a gang sign-up sheet here on feedtacoma, but not a single person joined???|
by NineInchNachos on 4/25/2013 @ 1:22pm
RR Anderson from
the fingers of a current volcano author Josh Rizeberg • 6 days ago "I
hate Proseliar Lindquist & his conspiracy-charges that Tried to
throw 36 mostly young Black Men in prison. Most of them had not even
committed crimes; most were charged w/ conspiracy for knowing, being
related too, or associating with a few individuals who did committ
crimes. It was flat-out, straight-up racist!"
Paul Schrag No,
I'm not Josh's FB proxy. This goes way beyond you, your cartoon and
commentary, which I realize must surprise you. This is an issue that has
eaten away at me since I've lived here. You're just the most annoying
and vocal about it in this particular instance, and offer the most
direct challenges. And you keep defaming my friends without cause. The
connections you are drawing are specious and potentially damaging to
people I care about.
don't think Mark Lindquist is a racist for arresting gang members in a
conspiracy sweep. But I don't think it's OK to pretend like race isn't
part of the picture, or that racial prejudice doesn't run like a cancer
through out criminal justice system. Those aspect have to be considered
and addressed, not mocked and ignored.
did the love go? I liked you RR, and found you amusing and like minded
on several public issues. But I actually love the people you're taking
shots at. That cartoon and a bunch of your humor went too far, in a
bunch of different directions. You mocked me and people I cared about in
public. Most people just don't give a shit because they don't know the
people you're mocking, or because they know you don't really have any
clout when everything is tallied up. But I see what you're doing as
potentially damaging to people I love. You can make me out to a bully
all you want. I would contend that I'm no more aggressive than you are.
I'm just a little more honest with it.
RR Anderson love
the people, not the ideas. agreed. I think we can all agree that the
CIA is not supplying guns and drugs to street gangs. I think we can all
agree that Mark Lindquist is not racist. I think we can all agree that
when the mayor says republicans are racist she really means that
republicans are just SEEN as racist. I think America is stronger for
holding up dumb ideas to ridicule, but still RESPCTP the person as
Zeiger is proof that people can believe and say the most idiotic
things, be made fun of in public, and still go on to have rich and full
lives. SO LET US MOVE FORWARD, STOP GLORIFYING THE HILLTOPCRIPS AND GIVE THE PAST THE SLIP!
by Rize on 4/25/2013 @ 1:49pm
|I do think Lindquist is racist. Go back & read his interviews during his botched conspiracy trial against the 36. He says all kinds of racist things. Even his assertion that young-people join gangs to committ crimes is laden with misunderstanding and racism. Most young-people claim a gang, just to claim a neighborhood - the vast majority do not committ violent crimes.
All ya have to do is read about Iran Contra and C.I.A. drug-smuggling. There is plenty of proof that the C.I.A. brought cocaine into certain communities in the U.S. Just google it & read...
by NineInchNachos on 4/25/2013 @ 1:58pm
|thanks Josh! I'm googling !!
by NineInchNachos on 4/25/2013 @ 2:08pm
|remember when the Weekly Volcano ran the cover of the Mark Lindquist mask? |
by troysworktable on 4/25/2013 @ 9:35pm
|“'My mom walks into this hotel, and to the hotel guy, she’s white. But in her mind, she’s black. Sometimes theres a big discrepancy between how we see ourselves, and how the world sees us.'”|
—page 147, Far from the Tree: Parents, Children, and the Search for Identity by Andrew Solomon (from the chapter “Dwarf”), quoting Carlton, adult little person on his mother's Cherokee heritage.
Emphasis mine in the above quote, which keeps bouncing around in my head as I read these comments (as it has since I read the quote earlier in the week). I think that discrepancy works both ways, by the way—in our favor at times and against us in others.
by Mofo from the Hood on 4/26/2013 @ 6:56am
|It was back in the day when my daddy had a play,|
With a girl from the city that the people knows as gritty.
The time they had was short but mighty. People say they was feelin’ good.
Nine months later in the back of a Caddy, my mama gave birth to Mofo from the Hood.
Up on the Top, between K Way and South L, above a vacant shanty known as Brown’s Star Grill,
Lives a man with a plan,
Call it bad. Call it good.
But every gangsta knows, "There lives Mofo from the Hood!"
by NineInchNachos on 4/26/2013 @ 8:28am
|would you say The Pequod is a melting pot or salad bowl ?
by Mofo from the Hood on 4/26/2013 @ 9:13am
|Tacoma is like a nice guy floating on an inner tube on a calm lake. He's enjoying the sunshine and the blue sky, and loving life. But then some jerk in a roaring motorboat buzzes him, and the big wake rocks the nice guy. A few minutes later, the jerk is gone and then everything returns to sunshine and blue sky.|
by troysworktable on 4/26/2013 @ 10:34am
|The Pequod is a brotherhood of nations, each individual trying to survive their circumstances as a madman leads them toward their death.|
by truetotacoma on 4/26/2013 @ 10:59am
RR,Been on vacation got back Wednesday to attend the Thoms kickoff event last night...great event btw. Looks like your fringe group has a crack in it and you stepped in the flaming bag of dog doo with your cartoon. I liked your cartoon. Anything that keeps topics like race on the radar screen is a good thing and not sugar coating it is even better. Any time you make others uncomfortable you are making people think.
by truetotacoma on 4/26/2013 @ 11:05am
I rode the trolley all over pierce county when I was a kid. My aunt lived in Fircrest and the trolley went from Regents, down Center and all the way into downtown Tacoma. Tracks were removed when autos became popular and affordable. There were more ferries in the south Puget sound as well. Funny that back in the olden days there were more transportation choices, people walked and rode bikes. I guess that is progress for you. The Hilltop was primarily Italian and Slavic back in the day but they moved more west. Hilltop was a glorious place with green lawns, block parties, well kept houses and friendly people. Oh how the times have changed.
by NineInchNachos on 4/26/2013 @ 11:31am
|thank you sir! My goal is to draw cartoons you would never ever see in a respectable newspaper... I feel that cartoons that provoke outrage and praise from different people at all at the same time are my favorite. Let the daily papers run the boring cartoons!|
by truetotacoma on 4/27/2013 @ 10:24am
Keep up the good work. Everyone is so damn PC these days. If you want to get things out in the open you have to be honest. Believe me.
by templeton on 4/27/2013 @ 10:10pm
|Before Pesha says anything else about her community, I think everyone deserves to know she is jewish and lives in the north end.
by Rize on 4/28/2013 @ 7:28am
True, she does currently live in a basement apartment in the North-End, before that she lived on The Hill', before that she lived in West Oakland. She's a member of Tacoma Universal Zulu Nation, a frequent contributor to Poor Magazine, and has worked with underserved youth in all these communities.
by NineInchNachos on 4/29/2013 @ 9:10am
by NineInchNachos on 4/29/2013 @ 10:50am
by truetotacoma on 4/29/2013 @ 3:51pm
RR, there are school districts in the South East of the US that just recently stopped segregating their school proms!!! Keep up the good work to expose the underbelly of issues. It seems we are more apt to be reactive to issues from achievement gaps, terrorism to racism in our society VS being proactive and getting out front of issues. Its not until issues blow up in our faces to we respond but even then how quickly people forget.
by NineInchNachos on 4/29/2013 @ 9:12pm
|some southern states are still fighting the civil war. |
by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2013 @ 7:57am
by cisserosmiley on 4/30/2013 @ 8:10am
|Maybe if hilltop hadn't of been scary, violent, & causing hardship for an entire county, scared people, victims & citizens would not have been motivated to change it. It really was horrible & is more of a reclamation than gentrification.|
by Rize on 4/30/2013 @ 9:19am
|It did have problems, but it was also the biggest, most thriving business district for African-Americans in the whole Pacific Northwest. People would drive-in from all-around the area to frequent the restaraunts, nightclubs, bookstores, etc. When we think 'bout pregentrified Hilltop, we must remember all of it - not just the bad-stuff...|
by NineInchNachos on 4/30/2013 @ 10:25am
|I wish I could have seen it. same with downtown before the mall. all those trolley cars.. worker uprisings... anarchist/nudist colonies... etc. etc.|
by cisserosmiley on 4/30/2013 @ 11:05am
|Also South Tacoma Way|
by NineInchNachos on 5/28/2013 @ 8:29pm
by NineInchNachos on 10/17/2013 @ 8:55pm