by AP on 4/17/2007 @ 8:10am
Excellent choice this week. The issue of camera-police needs major skepticism thrown its way, and this is a great start. I just hope they keep these things in crazy intersections like the one at South 74th & Tac Mall Blvd. You deserve a fine if you don't have the sense to avoid that mess!

by NineInchNachos on 4/17/2007 @ 1:46pm
Thanks AP,
Camera-police is a joke. Sure we'll get pretty video of people dying in traffic accidents and money will start coming in to fill coffers and compensate for inept political strategies, but make no mistake... The roads will be just as dangerous. People will still be lousy drivers. Cops will still be cops.

The city just sees lousy drivers as another exploitable resource (e.g. cigarettes, prison labor, immigrants).

I reject exploitation, that's why I'm trading in my car keys for a bike lock.

by NineInchNachos on 4/1/2008 @ 5:33pm
while we're digging up old threads...

SCIENCE SAYS: Red light cameras increase accidents

by izenmania on 4/1/2008 @ 6:55pm
Go team science!

by AP on 4/1/2008 @ 8:43pm
The camera $upporter$ have their own $cientific data which may differ $lightly from other $tudie$.

by NineInchNachos on 4/1/2008 @ 9:23pm

by NineInchNachos on 4/15/2008 @ 5:57pm
some interesting feedback from Julie Anderson with respect to this article on boingboing

R.R. –

You’re assuming that we shortened the yellow light cycle. WRONG. You’re assuming that revenue is our primary motivation. WRONG.

In FACT, while the installation of red light cameras do increase accidents (lower-risk fender benders), they also substantially REDUCE the sort of accidents that maim, kill and disable people (running red lights at high speeds).

We thoroughly researched all of the aspects of your e-mail, many of us making the same assumptions that you did.

I am confident that Tacoma’s red light cameras REDUCE HARM.

Revenue is a secondary concern. Safety is first.

Assemble your FACTS before you publish your ACCUSATIONS. Or, at least feign curiosity and ask some questions first.

Oh…I see. You were submitting this piece of alarmism to the “Takhoman.” Facts aren’t necessary.


by thriceallamerican on 4/15/2008 @ 8:58pm
Battle of the Andersons? (Don't forget about Eric...he have any insights?)

by Erik on 4/15/2008 @ 9:07pm
RR, that's a great email you got. One of the best from any council member ever.

by NineInchNachos on 4/15/2008 @ 9:12pm
actually as I watched the end of the TV Tacoma city council meeting she did turn to the city manager and query: "A citizen group has been raising questions about the safety of our Red Light cameras, I was wondering if we can check to see if there is anything new safety-wise about the cameras we should know about" which made be feel a tiny bit warm inside.

here is a portion of the Scientific American article I sent them...

"Cameras that catch drivers who blow through red lights are there to improve safety, by discouraging light running. But such cameras actually increase the likelihood of car crashes. Because more drivers jam on the breaks in an attempt to make a late stop at red-light camera intersections. That’s the finding of a study done by researchers at the University of South Florida College of Public Health.

They decided to look into the issue because Florida officials are considering installing many more such cameras around the state. The researchers contend that other studies associating cameras with fewer crashes and injuries are flawed—those studies were linked with the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, an industry group. But insurers may profit from red light cameras, because revenues go up with increased citations and accidents.

The new report notes that North Carolina, Virginia and Ontario all had increased crash rates and injuries associated with red light cameras. In Florida, injuries related to red light running are down anyway. So drivers needing to make a quick decision at a yellow light may be better off not seeing red."

Scientific American, Counterproductive Cameras At Traffic Lights Full Article

by NineInchNachos on 4/15/2008 @ 9:16pm
I'm just relieved that revenue is ONLY a secondary concern.

I Imagine if revenue was their first concern, more folks would be concerned about the priority of the council's concerns.

by NineInchNachos on 4/16/2008 @ 9:00am
another tacoma city council member response (I assume to Julie Anderson's Email).

"You go girl!!!
I especially like your last paragraph.
Connie Ladenburg
Councilmember, 5th District
City of Tacoma

by NineInchNachos on 4/16/2008 @ 9:01am
since when did science become alarmism?

by intacoma on 4/16/2008 @ 9:43am

Just imagined Julie yelling out the above instead

by NineInchNachos on 4/16/2008 @ 10:00am
hey, intacoma.. izenmania
did you guys ever go to that broadway arts hip hop feedback forum?

by NineInchNachos on 4/18/2008 @ 4:22pm
puzzling evidence!

email from city managers office:

Good afternoon Mr. Anderson:

Between meetings I showed Eric Anderson your request for his opinion to
the article you referenced "Counterproductive Cameras At Traffic
Lights". He stated that the article referenced a study done at the
University of South Florida College of Public Health; and he asked me to
request a copy of that study from you so he could review the study
further before providing a response.

Celia Holderman
City Manager's Office

RR responds:

Hi Celia,

press release summary:

link to full pdf

by Jake on 4/18/2008 @ 4:27pm
Vancouver BC has lights thats start solid green then blink green then yellow and onto red. I wonder if they have any stats or studies????

by izenmania on 4/18/2008 @ 5:19pm
hey, intacoma.. izenmania
did you guys ever go to that broadway arts hip hop feedback forum?

Not yet. But we have will have gone in the past of the future!

Or, to put it another way... it hasn't happened yet. April 27th, 3PM.

by NineInchNachos on 9/8/2008 @ 10:08am
back in the spotlight again! Told you it was all about money money money.

by NineInchNachos on 9/12/2008 @ 9:48pm

by NineInchNachos on 9/15/2008 @ 9:26am
Red Light Cameras Don't Work

Interesting: the solution to one problem causes another.

by NineInchNachos on 6/11/2009 @ 11:40pm
"Violations from the speed camera will be like those from red light cameras . . Councilman Mike Lonergan made a successful motion that the cost of a ticket be set at $101, the same as a red light camera, rather than having it tied to the price of an actual speeding ticket."

by NineInchNachos on 4/24/2010 @ 10:38pm
go protesters go!