Ocryx and Joe


What can I say? The crows know a boondoggle when they see one.

When you don't have any good ideas- build another parking lot.
posted May 18, 2010
Ocryx and Joe - What can I say? The crows know a boondoggle when they see one. (Tacoma, Sauro, Ocryx and Joe, Useless Arizona Boycott)
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Why, oh why, oh why, must we use $700,000 of state development money for another "temporary" parking lot? Could not these funds be used to benefit DaVita in some other way and do, say, something WORTHWHILE? Could it be that the council is too busy wasting time discussing adoption of totally useless boycotts of other states?

by KevinFreitas on 5/18/2010 @ 6:48am
Here, here! I'm sure DaVita would stay if other improvements were made to their neighborhood with that money. Like helping encourage other business to move into the nearly empty Rainier Pacific building or to make a worthwhile usable space out of Tollefson Plaza that could easily be used for employee smoke breaks. Seems to me there's plenty of parking around town. Hell, let's have the city buy solar panels for the top of their building to help them save on power costs while they reside there. Sigh...

by fredo on 5/18/2010 @ 7:05am
This was a mistake at the city level. The state didn't require a parking lot. They probably would have approved almost any downtown improvement.

Here's a problem I have with the $700K. Why is the state so miserly when it comes to the treatment of Tacoma? The city of Seattle which is three times the size of Tacoma is getting a tunnel project with a price tag of $2B or more.

3 times the population = 3,000 times the allocation

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:03am
Nice rendering on that dump truck.

by The Jinxmedic on 5/18/2010 @ 8:20am
Thanks!

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 8:24am
they could fill the hole with the Luzon rubble!

by morgan on 5/18/2010 @ 9:12am
What would have been cool is to use some of the $700K to pay taco trucks, hot dog vendors, pizza trucks, pasta trucks, etc to park in Tollefson plaza and all over downtown. Tacoma needs more eating options.

by Erik on 5/18/2010 @ 10:01am
Very good. Combining issues always makes for a good comic. Plus there are so many going on at the same time, it adds issue efficiency.

by The Jinxmedic on 5/18/2010 @ 2:40pm
"Issue efficiency" sounds like a campaign slogan. Hmmm.....

by jenyum on 5/18/2010 @ 3:25pm
Doesn't it just get under your skin continually? I find myself thinking about this constantly, even though I know it's a done deal and pointless.

Today, I was listening to someone on the radio talking about Rand Paul's crazy "abolish the ADA" idea. Which got me thinking: what if they took the 700k and made 10-20 empty restaurant/retail spaces in the city ADA and code compliant? So many of these places are sitting empty for want of 20-30K for renovations. Would the Neighborhood Coffee House on McKinley have been able to make it if they hadn't had to spend months putting in a ramp? How many businesses haven't located in great little neighborhood spots because they aren't up to code?

So many possibilities to improve Tacoma's economy with $700,000, dumped into a hole on Pac Ave.

by The Jinxmedic on 5/18/2010 @ 3:38pm
I rather liked the Neighborhood Coffee House on McKinley Avenue, I frequented the place on many a weekend morning during its brief existence. Now it's just an empty house with a really nice wheelchair ramp.

by NineInchNachos on 5/18/2010 @ 4:16pm
@jenyum

Indeed, fellow traveller.

by L.S.Erhardt on 5/18/2010 @ 10:40pm
$700,000 could build us 35-foot tall statues of Ocryx and Joe to grace Tollefson.

I like it!

by The Jinxmedic on 5/19/2010 @ 7:27am
I could stand behind that idea. Quite literally, in fact.

by panachronic on 5/20/2010 @ 7:33am
Weren't they talking about adding a new LINK stop at 15th and Commerce for something like $150K? Seems to me that would have done at least as much to help Davita, and would have helped other businesses around that intersection at the same time.

by The Jinxmedic on 5/20/2010 @ 7:45am
Go figure.


by Jesse on 5/20/2010 @ 7:47am
The problem with the ADA is that they are constantly changing criteria for what is an acceptible ramp and therefore costing municipalities and businesses needed revenue.

Come up with the best standards possible and stick with them for at least 20 years at a crack.

by fredo on 5/20/2010 @ 7:52am
A city which borrows from pension funds to buy new furniture and votes to censure another state's laws in contradiction of public sentiment is in no position to respond to civic needs in an sensible manner.

Good to hear from you again panachronic.

by fredo on 5/20/2010 @ 8:04am
Hi jesse, I liked your commend re the ADA ramps.

These ramps make like better for people in wheelchairs. There's no argument about that. But for the rest of us its not so clear.
The ramps introduce all sorts of curbing arrangements which are difficult for ambulatory people with vision problems. My own 89 year old mother who wears bifocals stumbled and fell thanks to one such "improvement."

The ADA ramp costs? The figure I heard was $60,000 for a four ramp intersection, even in remote residential neighborhoods. Anybody know? Thorax?

by The Jinxmedic on 5/20/2010 @ 8:13am
Bueller? Bueller?

by NineInchNachos on 8/4/2010 @ 1:07pm
The issue continues to be debated, after the Tacoma City Council's Environment and Public Works Committee directed City Manager Eric Anderson last week to explore other options besides the parking lot his staff has planned for the site under a contract with the state.

_ _ _

The list of the committee's options, all of which would involve improving the sidewalks and streetscaping around the toxic clean-up site, include:

1. Constructing a parking lot as city staff recommends.

2. Leaving the site basically as is for whichever private developer ultimately buys it; using the remaining funds to construct the new light rail stop at 11th and Commerce

3. Leaving the site as is, and using the money to spruce up adjacent blocks along Pacific, from South 7th to South 17th.

4. Work with arts community to create a temporary pocket park or sculpture park, allowing the public to use the space until a developer buys it.

5. Do basic engineering work on the site, use bulk of remaining funds to market the site and find a buyer.

Read more: blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2010/08...

by L.S.Erhardt on 8/4/2010 @ 2:07pm
No, Eric Anderson.
You cannot has another parking lot.

by Earthdaughter on 8/4/2010 @ 4:44pm
Way to listen to the public, Ryan. And I hope DaVita will realize that there is much more to a great work place than a parking space! Give the employees transit passes and a nice little park to enjoy their breaks and lunches. And I think little statues (not 35 ft please) of The Crow Brothers would be delightful in said park.

And for another Link stop - I want one at Tollefson Plaza! That would, I believe, be the only way to make that place usable. If people could access it by Link, then we could put all sorts of kiosks, etc. there and actually have a charming little oasis. Of course, we'd have to break up some of the brickwork and put in some trees so people don't all die of sunstroke or drown in the rain!

by The Jinxmedic on 8/5/2010 @ 8:00am
Earthdaughter- good ideas all around.

by NineInchNachos on 11/27/2010 @ 5:01pm
Councilmen David Boe and Ryan Mello, the dissenters, view the new lot as a bad idea that adds no value to a property in which the city already has invested nearly $3 million with hopes to some day sell it to developers. The idea of another parking lot downtown – essentially, creating another dead spot in a struggling area – runs counter to good urban planning, they say.

“While we’ve improved it in the short term,” Boe said of the latest design this week, “we’ve not improved the development potential of the site.”



Read more: www.thenewstribune.com/2010/11/27/144111...

by NineInchNachos on 11/27/2010 @ 5:02pm
why don't we take the $700,000 and fix the ding dang old city hall. comics.feedtacoma.com/ocryx/ocryx-ocryx-...

by The Jinxmedic on 11/27/2010 @ 10:38pm
Great idea- scrap the parking lot idea (we have plenty of them already, don't you think?) and use the money for emergency repairs to the Old City Hall, and then place a lein against the absentee owners for the repairs. If you can charge the owners of the Luzon to tear down their building against their will, you can certainly do the same to SAVE a building....

Marty- hear us, and hear us now. Fight for this!

by The Jinxmedic on 2/8/2011 @ 12:29pm
This just in- www.tacomadailyindex.com/portals-code/li...

by The Jinxmedic on 10/25/2012 @ 4:47pm
Yup, that worked really good, didn't it?

blog.thenewstribune.com/business/2012/10...
 
 
 

by cisserosmiley on 10/25/2012 @ 5:01pm
TNT says 1/3 of employees moving, but 350 = 39%. So Tacoma retains 61% of DaVita workforce.

by NineInchNachos on 10/25/2012 @ 7:33pm
Eric Anderson saves the day!


by Chris.Tacoma on 10/25/2012 @ 8:42pm
Remember who took a stand against this on the day it was voted on.  You could have paid for a lot of other viable infrastructure than a surface parking lot.

by fredo on 10/25/2012 @ 9:04pm


The city council you people are always celebratrating gave the daVita parking lot the GREEN LIGHT.

by NineInchNachos on 10/25/2012 @ 9:11pm
only the bone-headed ones


by L.S.Erhardt on 10/25/2012 @ 9:13pm
CoT: [facepalm]


by Erik on 10/25/2012 @ 10:33pm
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