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O&J PSA- You can Help

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posted Jun 11, 2010
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To see what you can do to help save wildlife and preserve critical habitat in the Gulf of Mexico, please visit the National Wildlife Federation website (www.nwf.org) .

Sadly, less than 1% of cleaned birds have a chance at long term survival, but the habitat for nesting shorebirds and other wildlife is in critical danger. You can be more effective than the government, by helping either financially or directly.

by NineInchNachos on 6/11/2010 @ 7:55am
man, the oil has invaded 3 feed tacoma strips so far! BP is gonna pay!




by fredo on 6/11/2010 @ 7:59am
We also need to find out who appointed the Secretary of the Interior whose job it is to make sure that mineral exploration and development is handled in such a way that our fragile ecosystems are not harmed. If anyone can discover who appointed this person will you please post his name?

by NineInchNachos on 6/11/2010 @ 8:07am
Barack Hussein Obush?

by fredo on 6/11/2010 @ 9:42am
BP is gonna pay!

How much are they going to pay, and what is the proper measure of damages?

Can they pay the money and walk away? Will they pay money and be required to perform a clean up? What if it can't be cleaned up? Can this ever be adequately compensated?

Before signing off I think we should take a moment to give a shout out to some local guys: BP, Haliburton & the Department of the Interior.

by L.S.Erhardt on 6/11/2010 @ 10:10am
BP is the 4th biggest company in the world, and the largest company in the UK.
BP accounts for about 1/7th of all dividend payments in the UK. So, as one can easily imagine, British pensions have a HUGE exposure to BP.

Why mention this?
Simply because BP's liability is going to easily exceed their cash on hand and their assets. Under normal situations, an event like this would pretty much destroy the company. Given the nature of what BP's negligence did to the Gulf, I'd say that BP, it's shareholders and it's management structure deserve to lose their shirts. That mess in the Gulf will be still washing up on Louisiana beaches 100 years from now.

But here's what has me concerned: the exposure of pensions to BP. If BP was allowed (rightfully) to go T/U, a LOT of people in the UK are going to take a big hit, and the British government is going to lose a LOT of money out of it's already under-funded pension system. in 2009, £1 out of every £7 contributed to the British pension system from the FTSE100 was from BP. To further make this messier, there are about 60,000,000 people in the UK, 18,000,000 of which own BP stock. That's 30% of the population.
Given the current poor economic health of both the US and Great Britain (and the world), considering the diplomatic ties between our nations, and considering the relative conservatism of Prime Minister David Cameron, I foresee two possible major events happening soon:

1) President Obama and the Congress cave into pressure from England, and change the law to limit BP's liability to keep them from going T/U. They walk away bruised but healthy enough to live on. The mess in the Gulf ends up being paid for by some unholy combination of US and British taxpayers... if at all.

2) Fearing for his re-election in '12, Obama sticks to his guns (for once) and makes BP pay up. In good times, that would put a huge strain on our relationship with the UK. In bad times like this, it could easily escalate into some manner of a trade war. "You sank our pensions, let's see how YOU like it"... etc.

So, what exactly am I getting at?
I'm saying that BP deserves what's coming to them (and more), but I strongly doubt the US and UK governments will allow BP to suffer too much harm. I think the politicians on both sides of the pond are going to screw over the people of the Gulf Coast, their livelihoods and their environment for a couple million British pensioners.

by fredo on 6/11/2010 @ 10:23am
Nice job Thorax.

What about the declining prosperity of the gulf region in terms of fishing, shrimping, tourism? Who will compensate these people?
If BP won't pay does that mean you and I should?

by L.S.Erhardt on 6/11/2010 @ 10:48am
No one is going to pay for that except for the people who live there.

Katrina and the Bush response to it devastated areas of the Gulf Coast, especially New Orleans.
BP and the Obama response to it is going to finish the deal.

By my count, BP has spilled probably over 3,770,000 barrels of crude into the Gulf. That oil field is thought to have over 20 million barrels in it (so, a lot more to go). Those 3.77 million barrels are going to wreck fishing in the Gulf for many, many years.

But it isn't just tourism and fishing that are going to get it. Remember what's in crude? Propanes. Methanes. Butanes. Naphthas. Kerosenes. Diesels. Those are just the cuts of the crude that are light enough to get to the top. Heavier stuff is just below the surface down to the ocean floor.
But you see, the really light stuff like propane, butane, naphtha, etc have a high vapor pressure. Meaning they evaporate quickly. That stuff is in the air over the Gulf.

That will certainly lead to acid rain. Crops across the South and possibly parts of the Midwest and East Coast are going to get the acid rain. Think of the Florida citrus crops. Think of the wheat in parts of Texas and Oklahoma. Think of the corn in Kansas. This will have an effect on the food supply.
How severe it'll be will have to be seen.

And let's not forget that NOAA is calling for a more severe hurricane season than average, with 14-23 named storms and predicted 4 major hurricanes. All those oil booms won't mean much when a 15 foot storm surge of oily water washes across the gulf coast. Think of just how far inland a hurricane will take the gases from the oil. It's not unusual for the remnants of hurricanes to make it into the northern plains.

Bad, bad, bad. This mess is going to get worse before it gets better.

by fredo on 6/11/2010 @ 11:22am
Katrina and the Bush response to it devastated areas of the Gulf Coast, especially New Orleans.
BP and the Obama response to it is going to finish the deal.

There is an obvious camparison to Katrina. I would point out that the devastation caused by Katrina was natural in origin, while the devastation caused by the BP blowout was manmade in origin. Both catastrophies were foreseeable, but only the BP blowout was preventable.

by NineInchNachos on 6/11/2010 @ 11:30am
give it a rest fredo, you know that's not true. Nobody can prevent BP from doing anything!

by L.S.Erhardt on 6/11/2010 @ 11:43am
Katrina itself wasn't preventable, but the levees and the response to the hurricane WERE factors within our control.

by fredo on 6/11/2010 @ 1:21pm
but the levees and the response to the hurricane WERE factors within our control.

In retrospect there were probably things that the White House and FEMA could have done better w/respect to Katrina. But the government did do a lot to help.

It's entirely foreseeable that if you decide to locate your home in a coastal area, below sea level, and refuse to leave when given explicit orders to vacate in advance of a hurricane that something bad might happen to you. The people who kept adequate insurance in place and moved to higher ground when directed to do so are alive today and rebuilding their lives.

by NineInchNachos on 6/11/2010 @ 4:13pm
Rolling Stones Tim Dickinson on the Inside Story of How Obama Let the Worlds Most Dangerous Oil Company Get Away with Murder


by L.S.Erhardt on 6/11/2010 @ 4:29pm
I'll be very surprised if this oil spill doesn't cost Obama the 2012 election.

by NineInchNachos on 6/11/2010 @ 4:36pm
bah, he'll be fine.

by jenyum on 6/11/2010 @ 4:39pm
The really scary thing is that at this point money can't fix it and neither can perfect political instincts. (Not that the latter has been exercised here) We can't do anything about it so we stand around and point fingers while the ocean dies. Nobody in charge seems to be willing to ask the American public to do anything more productive than to keep buying stuff, and the American public (ie "us") is too mentally out of shape to get angry about any one thing for longer than twenty minutes and convert that anger into some type of rational plan of action.

by fredo on 6/11/2010 @ 4:43pm
jen, a sobering point. but I think you are correct. what would your rational plan of action involve?

by NineInchNachos on 6/11/2010 @ 5:05pm
mass extinction. we're well on our way! #globalclimatechange

by jenyum on 6/11/2010 @ 6:09pm
What I would do if I were Queen of the Universe:

I would socialize (Yeah, that's right, I said socialize.) the efforts, create an agency with a military/scientific structure (like NASA) to direct the clean up, keep BP on the relief well effort, on a short chain which would be held by a 4 store general with a no-nonsense disposition. While that is going on, the agency would direct the main force of its troops towards a massive boom, collection, and clean up effort, designed to prevent the oil from reaching inland under advice and direction of ecologists. The 6,000 or so troops currently being deployed to the gulf is nothing. Think 60,000, there are certainly enough people out of work right now. The boom that is out there is not even anchored properly and is just floating back to shore. The clean up effort is spread pathetically thin.

Explore every possible avenue for collecting the oil in the large underwater "plumes."

Establish a set daily price that BP will pay to fund this effort and pay on damage claims and collect it. Then refuse to discuss it further, except in court. Make payments directly to agency workers and those filing claims against BP. Anything BP owes over and above this amount (which I'm sure they will) can be collected later.

Common oil clean up suggestions (the ones we see floating around everywhere: hay, peat moss, whatever the heck Kevin Costner is talking about) will be cataloged and placed on a public website with a rational analysis of their pros and cons, so that the public can understand why they are or are not being utilized, and these assertions can be debated or debunked in some rational manner by people with actual knowledge of the subject. This might seem like an unnecessary effort but it's far preferable to the growing sentiment that there might be solutions out there, and nobody cares.

Lastly, I would magically create a political climate in which such a plan would have a chance in hell of being implemented,or place some kind of Jedi voodoo on the president which will suddenly break him out of whatever Senatorial mindmeld keeps him from realizing he's actually in charge.

by L.S.Erhardt on 6/11/2010 @ 6:17pm
Declare all oil that escapes the well as unclaimed property. If you can safely and effectively remove it, the oil yours.

Watch how fast an armada of 100,000 ships shows up to siphon up the stuff.

by fredo on 6/11/2010 @ 7:44pm
Declare all oil that escapes the well as unclaimed property-thorax

Does this require a declaration? What's preventing companies from reclaiming the oil right now? Does someone have the rightful claim to these long strands of gelatinous goo?

Here's a possible solution. Fly a few thousand filipinos over to the gulf. Put them in small boats, perhaps 2 in a boat with a couple buckets and some absorbant rags. For about $2 per day per worker they would strain the oil into the buckets. No need to mess with hair, these people know how to recover waste oil. The oil on the surface they would recover and make it available for recycling, I guarantee it.

by L.S.Erhardt on 6/11/2010 @ 7:48pm
I'm pretty sure if you try to take oil right now out of the water, BP will have you arrested for theft. H2O or not, that oil is still worth $70/bbl. And 3,770,000 barrels floating in the Gulf is worth $263.9 million dollars.

You'll have to pry the precious, precious oil out of their cold, dead hands.

by jenyum on 6/13/2010 @ 11:41am
Maybe I am Queen of the Universe and nobody told me. (I knew it!)

BP now has a 48 hour deadline to speed up the containment process (Although I'm not clear on the "or else, what?" Maybe we will take away their X Boxes.)


If the full text of the letter is available online, I can't find it.

And today the White House announced that they are "asking" BP to establish a third-party escrow account to manage damage compensation. (I suspect the "asking" was vigorous since BP's board is voting on this tomorrow.)


Glad to see something positive happening, however late.