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Ocryx and Joe - The Third Day of Christmas

How did you do with doing a "Local Christmas" this year? Thought so.
posted Dec 28, 2011
Did you buy local this year?
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by fredo on 12/28/2011 @ 8:49am

The Chinese have exploited an American vulnerability in the marketplace. Our vulnerability is our mandated high wage rates. We could have wonderful American made goods but not produced by workers making 30 or 40 times Chinese wage rates.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/28/2011 @ 8:52am
China's wage scale is rising. I expect that some US manufacturing fields will be competitive once again within a year or two- provided that the world does not end on December 21st, 2012...

by fredo on 12/28/2011 @ 9:00am
We could close the gap with the Chinese by allowing American based manufacturers to set wages @ rates which would allow us to be competitive. This could be done on a trial / industry by industry basis to see what happens. Our American attempt to legislate the world's economy by government fiat isn't really working very well. 

Incidentally Jinx, your cartoon was excellent as usual. Have a Happy New Year sir!

by NineInchNachos on 12/28/2011 @ 10:13am

by The Jinxmedic on 12/28/2011 @ 10:20am
Why, thank you Fredo. A happy New Year to you as well!

For example, the only reason that the mint has a chance of competing with China is the fact that we don't have to pay union rates- there is no "minting union". It's sad, I know- but that seems to be what it takes.

(and for the record- I am not "anti-union"- I have been a proud member of the IBEW and the WPEA in the past- the long distant past. I have since grown up.)

NiN: Exactly.

by fredo on 12/28/2011 @ 11:23am

  I understand the unions want family wage jobs in the US, but let's be honest, these wage demands have driven our manufacturing to other countries. IMO it's more important that the US remain a strong manufacturing location rather than try to enforce high wage rates  in the absense of any jobs. We're losing our can-do reputation and picking up a can't-do reputation.

by low bar on 12/28/2011 @ 12:18pm
i don't think so. i think its the donald trump jr's who want to compete with their buddies for who has the biggest yacht is what is keeping wage demands by american families from being met. you can't pay an american when you need money for a gold toilet in every of your seven god damn homes. but i digress. i've not had that kind of money, so i can't say how it would make me feel about people in the midwest who can't seem to stop making babies they know they can't feed or afford to school properly.

by NineInchNachos on 12/28/2011 @ 12:21pm
workers of the world unite!  Chinese labor wage increase coming soon!

also: Death to Tyrants!

by The Jinxmedic on 12/28/2011 @ 12:48pm
Things will change soon- and not for the better. Are you ready?

by fredo on 12/28/2011 @ 1:43pm
Low bar,y ou can complain all you want about the 1% or the donald trumps or whatever. That isn't going to bring any manufacturing back to the US. The world economy operates on generally understood economic principles, it cares not what any individuals concept of fairness is. I think it's foolish to have gold plated toilets, but if someone who has acquired more wealth than me wants a gold toilet by golly I think they should have it. I'll bet in your apartment there's at least one foolishly acquired object of affection.

by low bar on 12/29/2011 @ 1:14am
Yes I am foolish. I have foolish fears. Fears of mortality. Things I want to possess. Things I hang on to because I really can't hang on. But does this make me lie to my fellow Americans about what I wish for them? That I wish the best for them? That I believe we are the good guys and that we'll pass any fucking test life throws at us? America is the greatest nation known to mankind. And I'll never fucking wish anything but the best for every American I see. I'll never make excuses when an American doesn't have what they need. Never.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/29/2011 @ 8:06am
That almost makes sense...

by fredo on 12/29/2011 @ 8:21am
low bar you say that because we are the "good guys...we'll pass any test life throws at us" 

We've had about 15,000,000+ unemployed workers in our country for about 3 or 4 years now. I'd call that a test for our economy to make the adjustments needed to get these people back to work. How would you say we're doing at this test?  

by KevinFreitas on 12/29/2011 @ 8:34am
Proud to say I went local for nearly every gift I got this year and it was easy! Had a local artist make a necklace for my mom, purchased Duplo (not local but definitely a gift that lasts forever!) from Teaching Toys downtown for my nephews, got Tacoma-centric T-shirts for my girlfriend at Amocat and The Red Hot, and rounded things out for my family with experience (not "stuff") gifts near where they live in Vancouver.

So take that, pessimistic O&J! ;) And Happy New Year to @Jinx and everyone!

by NineInchNachos on 12/29/2011 @ 8:34am
does this help? 

by fredo on 12/29/2011 @ 8:44am

I think it's good to shop local for Christmas, I mean holiday, gifts. But its a challenge. If you have kids they probably aren't going to want some 'object d'art' you found at a street fair.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/29/2011 @ 8:52am
Well done, Kevin. A definite step in the correct direction.

by fredo on 12/29/2011 @ 9:04am

You know that Kevin is a sound as a pound. Happy New Year, Kevin Freitas!

by low bar on 12/29/2011 @ 11:49pm
I think the test results show we're happy to be unemployed here. Could you imagine being unemployed, AND be somewhere else like Papua New Guinea? I'll take being poor in America over being poor anywhere else, but that doesn't make greedy inside jobs on maximizing profits for a small group good for society. Greed. Deadly sin. It's a no brainer that the man is gonna come around. The hairs on your arm will stand up.

by The Jinxmedic on 12/30/2011 @ 9:18am
Will you partake of that last offered cup?
Or disappear into the potter's ground
-When the Man comes around.

(JRC, 2002)

by fredo on 12/30/2011 @ 12:49pm
" I'll take being poor in America over being poor anywhere else" low bar
Glad to see your goal is the same as President Obama's.

by low bar on 12/30/2011 @ 2:31pm
What president did not, will not have that goal with the bought congress we have? Were Lincoln and Kennedy the only ones? I think its Obamas plan to not get shot. And I don't blame him with idiots like Palin on the loose and all these cross hairs showing up on Faux news. I'd be low crawling through my office as well....

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2012 @ 10:43am
behold the glorious future of authoritarian low-wage capitalism (THE FUTURE IS NOW in shenzhen china) www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/...

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/9/2012 @ 11:31am
Economic incentive and options for Chinese pre-capitalists: Sell one's labor cheap in order to improve one's well being; or move to Tacoma and practice subsistence farming at a neighborhood community garden.

by The Jinxmedic on 1/9/2012 @ 11:49am
I think that 13th century serf clothing should mandatory when working in a community garden. (That, and pythonesque cat-thrashing.)

by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2012 @ 11:55am
there are no pre-capitalists, just capitalists.

by Mofo from the Hood on 1/9/2012 @ 3:30pm

Chinese capitalist pigs make excellent sweet and sour pork.

by The Jinxmedic on 1/9/2012 @ 3:53pm