Ocryx and Joe- The City Council makes a decision on Old City Hall
by fredo on 9/14/2011 @ 7:36am
I think Anders supports moritoriums. We need more people like this on the council.
by NineInchNachos on 9/14/2011 @ 7:47am
|If only there was a moratorium on demolition of the Luzon building, Eric Anderson might still have a job.|
by cisserosmiley on 9/14/2011 @ 8:00am
|i want a six month moratorium on six month moratoriums|
by fredo on 9/14/2011 @ 8:08am
Tacoma has unlocked the secret to running a well-oiled liberal bureaucracy. Postpone all important decisions by either passing moratoriums or delaying them by appointing blue ribbon committees of unelected citizens to study the issue to death. Of course, the pet projects held by the council members will get immediate funding with little opportunity for public comment.
by NineInchNachos on 9/14/2011 @ 8:14am
|the alternative is what? rubber stamping the city manager? these guys are part time.|
by The Jinxmedic on 9/14/2011 @ 8:39am
|I declare a moratorium on rubber stamps. (And on city managers, for that matter.)|
by fredo on 9/14/2011 @ 8:45am
"these guys are part time." Sorry, I left that out. A really well-oiled political machine also needs a good excuse for inaction.
by fredo on 9/14/2011 @ 8:50am
We should seriously get jinxmedic into the running for city manager. The guy has a military background, he has a good way of dealing with different types of people, he has a keen interest in all things Tacoma, he has a great sense of humor and he's a snappy dresser. He would quickly become a very popular political figure. Marty, can you make this happen?
by NineInchNachos on 9/14/2011 @ 9:12am
|Jinx has valuable gun safety and sexual harassment training too!|
by fredo on 9/14/2011 @ 9:23am
has he seen any good movies lately?
by The Jinxmedic on 9/14/2011 @ 9:55am
I'm definitely not qualified for City Manager (despite many years of public safety, museum, and military background), but that's never stopped anyone before...
by CaptainBritton on 9/14/2011 @ 10:09am
|Moratoriums are awesome. Expediency is the tool of the devil. I think the crows are becoming crusty. I thought they were gonna listen to the old one-eyed dude-man and stay outta politics?|
by KevinFreitas on 9/14/2011 @ 10:12am
|I agree with @CaptainBritton on this one. Especially since our council is part time sometimes they need to take a breath and look deeper into things. I'd far rather have them do that than rubber stamp everything that flies across their desk.|
That being said, I'd like an update from City types on Old City Hall as well.
by The Jinxmedic on 9/14/2011 @ 10:37am
|Old City Hall is a historical preservation issue. It only crosses the politics barrier because nothing is apparently happening, and another winter of no heat will likely destroy the building. Next up? Deferred maintenance on the Winthrop. That building should be a premiere location in the heart of the theatre district, but you see what we have now.|
And if the crows ever become crusty, they will be retired that very same day. That's a promise, no kidding.
And don't tell me about moratoriums- the council could have "moratoriumed" the razing of the Luzon while the owners and the architectural societies were scrambling to save it.
by KevinFreitas on 9/14/2011 @ 11:15am
|They very well may not have known at the time before the Luzon demolition that was an option. Benefit of the doubt for our part-time council aside, it was a pretty hard luck building. I wanted to see Gintz renovate it as they planned and I'm sure it would've happened (given their decent track record with places like the Mecca) were it not for the economy utterly tanking.
by Hans_Meier on 9/14/2011 @ 12:03pm
hmm...wonders if a busienss that rents out 'Picketers" would be viable in this day and age....would even provide the signs...
by NineInchNachos on 9/14/2011 @ 12:10pm
|cantankerous, but crusty? YOU DECIDE! However, I support moratoriums and local picketing small businesses. I believe we were suffering from a lack of moratorium imagination at time of razing. NEVER AGAIN! USA! USA!|
by NineInchNachos on 9/14/2011 @ 12:41pm
|hey new Post Defiance article too postdefiance.com/old-city-hall-a-rent-in...|
by KevinFreitas on 9/14/2011 @ 1:07pm
|@Hans: Probably is especially considering the market for political parties to hire hecklers to go to the opposite party's meetings/rallies.
by The Jinxmedic on 9/14/2011 @ 2:06pm
|Seriously, I will end the strip if enough people tell me they are getting tired of it. I don't believe a welfare comic state.|
by CaptainBritton on 9/14/2011 @ 2:14pm
|Jinx, I'm so sorry....I do NOT want this strip ended...I guess I was just tired of bashing the council. I want to see what good we can do to save the building, not all the constant negative aspects of what will inevitably happen. Enlighten us O&J! We need your help!!! (Crusty was too harsh...I take it back, completely...completely.)|
by NineInchNachos on 9/14/2011 @ 3:02pm
|Jinx may put on a big show about not commenting... but deep down he is very sensitive. Also, the crows love each other but just as brothers.|
by The Jinxmedic on 9/14/2011 @ 3:49pm
|No problem, it's just that some artists have no idea when their stuff gets old, and I don't want to be one of them- I count on all of you for letting me know when (or "if") that happens. |
RR- the term you are looking for is "Korakae Philadelphos" - from the greek for "the brotherly love of crows". (Either that, or "Karaoke from Philadelphia"...)
by Hans_Meier on 9/14/2011 @ 3:52pm
I was going to say...probably teh Brotherly love of badly singing drunk japanese men....
by Marty C on 9/14/2011 @ 5:13pm
|Great cartoon. I for one hope it continues and look forward to future comics.|
I would like to point out that although the building is called Old City Hall, it no longer belongs to the City of Tacoma.
And a thought about moratoriums. Yes it may seem odd to have three pass so quickly, however when you break each one down and consider each on on its own merits, then they make sense. One thing all the three have in common is that they deal with new and emerging issues. Digital Billboards, Medical Cannabis Dispensaries and 150,000 sqft retail buildings are fairly new concepts and were not addressed in the City Code. The Council could have just passed some rules that they pulled out of thin air OR they could call a time out, consult with experts and listen to citizen input and craft a code that has clear intent, is legally defensible and is the best for Tacoma. For those that have been following the actions after each the moratoriums they will agree it is not marked by indecision. Shortly after the moratorium on digital billboards, the council passed the planning commission's recommendations.The moratorium was in place to prevent a billboard company from exploiting a possible loop hole in the previous code and quickly converting all current bill boards to digital billboards and entering into an expensive and prolonged legal battle. Secondly, in order to get a handle on the quickly evolving industry of Medical Cannabis there needed to be some reasonable regulation. With in days of passage a group of citizens were selected to take a look at numerous and often changing federal, state and local laws and assist in developing regulations that fulfill the intent of the state law. However, having over 60 dispensaries open within a one year period and perhaps more poised to open soon a halt was needed while code is being crafted. Thirdly, little is known about the about impacts a mega retail development may have on current infrastructure, transportation and other retailers. The issue is already being discussed and changes may becoming forth shortly.
Everyday people are looking for emerging issues and loopholes that they can drive a Mack truck through. Moratoriums are one of many tools a goverment can use to ensure the best decisons are made for the citizens.
by KevinFreitas on 9/14/2011 @ 6:05pm
|Valuable input and perspective, thanks so much Marty! It's great to hear from folks who are making these decisions and to hear the "why" of it straight up.|
by low bar on 9/14/2011 @ 6:21pm
|Freakonomics. The downfall of Old City Hall is lack of funds and poor planning. I also think lack of tourism is linked somehow to the crumbling of historic monuments of Tacoma. But on the flip side you have to wonder how much of an eye sore to the native communities the city hall and tower, and all it stood for and interests it protected, really is in the realm of the relative. Its sad that the things one group values quite actually could be valueless to another group. Yet all it takes is the shutting down of the refineries and pulp mill to bring in a Portland type tourism cash flow from Seatac. I mean, its cool and all but Tacoma being the 'South' Sound's boiler room is sort of fucking it's own image in front of the rest the state and interstate investments. How south is Tacoma anyways? Its more like mid sound. Anyways, the car museum building going up looks really good from I5. Lets just hope they put more progressive exhibits inside to cash in on some international tourism. Because luckily taste in history and art run parallel with the levels intelligence of international tourism, only the LeMay group does't get that. The car museum building can make way more money then it will in the hands of the LeMays but oh well. Tacoma can make a lot more money then it does in current hands.|
by NineInchNachos on 9/14/2011 @ 8:49pm
|some building owners should just be stripped of building owner privileges. this guy is a crook.|
by Mofo from the Hood on 9/14/2011 @ 8:53pm
A watchful eye on government officials is the mark of a good citizen in our great republic.
by The Jinxmedic on 9/15/2011 @ 8:29am
|It's always good to hear from Marty! As was said after the Luzon debacle in reference to city intervention on neglected historic properties, "we will never let this happen again". Was that referring to never intervening again? The owners of Old City Hall seem to have no interest in maintaining that particular historic structure, and without intervention, it would appear to an inevitability that we will lose that one, as well.|
by NineInchNachos on 9/15/2011 @ 8:35am
|drop the hammer Marty! Do you need us to dress up like indians and storm the place?|
by Mofo from the Hood on 9/15/2011 @ 8:56am
Down with storm troopers!
by The Jinxmedic on 9/15/2011 @ 9:12am
|Stormtrooper zombie hunters!
by fredo on 9/15/2011 @ 9:15am
The crumbling old buildings cannot be salvaged because the voters have decided that no American can lift a finger to do anything unless they are paid high wages to do so. This is a simple fact of life. If the owners of the Old City Hall had access to a work crew from eastern Europe or Bangladesh they could turn in a wonderful transformation at a very affordable cost. Folks you can thank your wonderful prevailing wage and minimum wage laws for transformation of our cities from wonderful old relics to nasty old parking lots.
by low bar on 9/15/2011 @ 10:30am
by low bar on 9/15/2011 @ 1:27pm
by NineInchNachos on 9/15/2011 @ 1:38pm
by The Jinxmedic on 9/15/2011 @ 2:23pm
|I believe that the bar is simply set too high...|
by NineInchNachos on 11/15/2011 @ 7:59pm
by Dave_L on 11/15/2011 @ 11:28pm
|And in this alternate 1970's universe, the TNT reported (on the same day it reported the dedication of Frost Park):|
Bells await parking lot O.K.
The bells will ring at Old City Hall Tuesday night if the City Council approves a proposal that could lead to a parking garage on Commerce Street beside the former Elks Temple. Walter Simon, 43, publicist for the enterprises at Old City Hall said the bells have been tuned off until the parking garage is approved. All businesses in the building will close at 5 p.m. and the tenants will march to the County-City Building to support a garage proposal that is on the city agenda....After the council meeting, if all goes well, the Old City Hall will reopen and there will be free champagne at Mama LaMoyne's retaurant....Simon has come to Tacoma especially to promote Old City Hall...
Paging Walter Simon...
by The Jinxmedic on 11/16/2011 @ 8:16am
|That explains why there have been no bells....|
by Dave_L on 11/16/2011 @ 12:05pm
by Jesse on 11/16/2011 @ 1:15pm
|Interesting post Dave_L. Thanks for sharing!|
by NineInchNachos on 1/5/2012 @ 1:02pm
by The Jinxmedic on 1/5/2012 @ 2:08pm
|Mark my words- if something is not done soon, 2012 is the year that we lose Old City Hall.|
by NineInchNachos on 1/5/2012 @ 2:14pm
|George Webb has a problem with fires in his abandoned buildings.|
by The Jinxmedic on 1/5/2012 @ 3:22pm
|Well, the broken pipes will put the fires out, right?|
by NineInchNachos on 1/9/2012 @ 8:35am
|more details about the fire. Thanks Todd! www.tacomadailyindex.com/portals-code/li...|
by NineInchNachos on 1/12/2012 @ 1:11pm
|salvation...? Elks people are looking for a new hotel space... www.thenewstribune.com/2012/01/11/197945...|
by The Jinxmedic on 1/12/2012 @ 1:43pm
|That would be an ideal solution.|