Ocryx and Joe

Le May is Under Way!

Did a world-class museum win out over a parking lot? It's Eric Andersen's nightmare come true!
posted Jun 23, 2010
Ocryx and Joe - Le May is Under Way! (tacoma, Le May, grub worms)
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Yes, it's really happening. But now you know why Ocryx and Joe turn over the culinary reviews to Nibbly, Noms and Ralph. Have you seen what crows eat? Yuk!

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2010 @ 7:53am
it's never going to be a butterfly! ha ha but I kid. Seriously, Erik Anderson gives us parking lots and he takes them away.

by fredo on 6/23/2010 @ 8:24am
The LeMay design is hideous. Is it to late for Dave Boe to get involved in this?

Unrelated question: RR how do I pull up the thumbnails of previous tacomics?

by Altered Chords on 6/23/2010 @ 8:30am
Unrelated question: What do crows eat?

by The Jinxmedic on 6/23/2010 @ 8:34am
@Fredo: I think the idea is that the structure is designed to not take attention away from the collection inside, while simultaneously providing a diffuse natural light to the entire display floor.

@RR: That being said, I wonder what the fare shall be in the museum's restaurant?

@Chords: You really don't want to know.

by fredo on 6/23/2010 @ 8:47am
The challenge for the museum designers should have been this:

Create a structure which will not take attention from the collection inside, provide diffuse natural light to the entire display floor...and simultaneously not appear to be a giant grubworm.

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2010 @ 10:08am
the large spread of thumbnails (a nice feature) is a thing of the past.

it's hard to find old comics right now. for my book research the quickest way to find old cartoons is to go here...


and use the browser find feature (control + F) to scan for key words.

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2010 @ 10:11am
otherwise for thumbnails, you can go to the 'landing page' of the comic strip and blindly start clicking on month links...


really annoying when you're trying to quickly find something.

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2010 @ 10:13am
on the topic of crow meals, I saw an eagle the other day being swarmed by crows. I think eagles eat baby crows.

by fredo on 6/23/2010 @ 10:30am
I saw an eagle the other day being swarmed by crows.

Good observation nachos. When birds do this it's called "mobbing."

by The Jinxmedic on 6/23/2010 @ 10:40am
Crows frequently mob birds of prey in flight. It's pretty amazing to watch when they do that.

Related story- I watched one crow the other day approach a floundering baby swallow that had fallen out of the nest, walk up to it carefully, rap it on the head twice, pick it up by the wing, and fly off with it.

Do you think he was taking the baby sparrow home to raise it up in a loving crow family, or was he just going to eat it later?

by Erik on 6/23/2010 @ 10:41am

One added 4th panel could have had one of the crows saying "Bring in the Crow Flying Brigade to Dive Bomb it."

by The Jinxmedic on 6/23/2010 @ 10:47am
They wouldn't do that to food.

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2010 @ 10:56am
we have a robins nest on the HFW campus. the Crows are always hanging about waiting for something to fall out. Mama and Papa robin often have to shoo them away. Just the other day there was a 3-way mexican stand off between the Crows, Robins and Ms. Darcy.... Crows were not giving any ground because unknown to Ms. Darcy a bright-blue-eyed baby crow was perched on the fence near the green house.

Baby crow was too tired to fly (just learning) and was unafraid of humans.

by Dave_L on 6/23/2010 @ 11:30am
I'm O.K. if the specs didn't say for it not to look like a giant grubworm. I've said this before, but no matter what the structure looks like, my main hope is that the cars are displayed with proper lighting and at an elevation and stance that allows viewing and appreciation from the same standpoint that the skilled automobile designers originally intended and spent so much time perfecting. (Understandably not from the inside, though.) For example, not cars on the ceiling, as one comment suggested a while back.
Restaurant fare? That has a lot of possibilities, jinx. Grubworms, Rabbit, 'Cuda, Road Runner,Viper/Cobra, Marlin, Sting Ray, Lark, Cougar, Wildcat, Jaguar, Gazelle, Impala, Sable...Peking DUKW...

by fredo on 6/23/2010 @ 11:44am
Sad that so many museums in the world were designed with so little regard to proper display and lighting. The people who designed the Louvre, the Guggenheim, the Huntington should be shot. Had they only had the benefit of our modern sensibilities they could have had giant grubworm facilities of their own.

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2010 @ 11:47am
Dave L is not a fan of these (in)famous car displays:

by KevinFreitas on 6/23/2010 @ 11:56am
@RR re: old comic nav -- Tell me what you really think! ;) Let's chat sometime via CLAW about next steps with everything FeedTacoma Comics.

by L.S.Erhardt on 6/23/2010 @ 11:14pm
I like the grubworm design. Am I a fool?
Probably. But I still like it.

@ KFr8s... are you really sure you want to open that can of worms?

by NineInchNachos on 6/23/2010 @ 11:38pm
CLAW was promised the ability to draw directly into the comment box.

Like Obama, Kevin is all talk and no action.

(wow that was harsh... really we love kevin)

by The Jinxmedic on 6/24/2010 @ 7:26am
@ Thorax:

Embrace the grubworm. It will grow on us, trust me.

The important thing is that the design now has a name. Mwuhahahaha!

by fredo on 6/24/2010 @ 8:14am
Embrace the grubworm. Well there's the next tacomic right there!

Say, how are we going to keep the grubworm clean? We know that the Tacoma dome has had problems keeping the roof clean and painted and it's not translucent. Is the grubworm made of vinyl or ripstop nylon or glass or what?

by The Jinxmedic on 6/24/2010 @ 8:53am
@ Fredo: I believe that the grubworm is glass, and may have some form or mechanical cleaning apparatus to clean the glass panels in between the metal ribs. I believe that they should be able to keep it clean without too much difficulty.

The Tacoma Dome is a special case, as it is painted wood. In the 1980's, there were many experiements with various polymer coatings to enable easier cleaning of the dome- which gave mixed results.

by NineInchNachos on 6/24/2010 @ 9:50am
LeMay should go green... Stretched Harbor Seal Intestine between those beautiful glulam beams

by Dave_L on 6/24/2010 @ 11:41am
Though during construction the Tacoma Dome's geodesic design made for an impressive sight (reportedly 288 triangular sections), the acres of wood was then coated with a polyurethane insulating foam that also gives it that rounded look. In the early years the ripples in the foam and paint issues became more pronounced, and washing did become an problem. (Not to mention a fire that a fan started in the underside of the roof that went unnoticed and burned through the roofing.) There was even one fatality on a washing crew. Then the roof was coated with a smooth membrane sheets of matching color. One can see the seams in this material, but it has held its look much longer. I'm pretty sure about my memory on this, though I can't remember what I had for dinner yesterday.

by Erik on 6/24/2010 @ 3:51pm
Amazing historical knowledge Dave L., reading your post, it is almost as if you must be in some sort of secret society to know all of insider knowledge.

by NineInchNachos on 6/24/2010 @ 4:32pm
dave L should write for exit133

by fredo on 6/24/2010 @ 7:50pm
Yes, nice review of the dome's history Dave. L.

Now, can you state the name of the band that was playing on stage when the fan in the audience sent a roman candle or flare into the roof?

by Non Sequitur on 6/24/2010 @ 8:05pm
Black Sabbath, of course.
It was at the same concert in '84 when Ozzy threw puppies into the audience.
And then refused to play until the puppies' heads rolled on the stage.
The concert started 20 minuets later.

I wish I was joking.

by fredo on 6/25/2010 @ 7:09am
I was thinking Ozzy or AC/DC but maybe it was Sabbath. Enjoy this flash from the past:


by fredo on 6/25/2010 @ 8:28am
RE: the glass roof of the new LeMay. How are they going to fabricate and install these huge sections of curved glass? And what kind of machine can be designed to clean it? And a final thought: how are they going to limit sun related damage to the cars on display? A lot of the old upholstery and tires are going to be susceptible to UV damage.

by The Jinxmedic on 6/25/2010 @ 9:14am
Like all modern museums, Le May will most likely use UV filtering materials wherever possible, and the glass panels specified will probably have inherent UV blocking properties. About the cleaning of the glass, I am am only guessing. (But if I had designed the grubworm, I would have also designed a class cleaning platform to ride within the ribs of the structure, much like those used on modern office towers).

Also, a large part of the display area is actually below grade level, and UV should not be an issue for sensitive materials in those areas. (UV filters for incandescent/flourescent lighting is a standard for any type of exhibit of sensitve material culture, and I do not imagine that Le May will be any different.)

by L.S.Erhardt on 6/25/2010 @ 11:15am
Glass can be shaped however you want. Take a walk across the Bridge of Glass for proof.
Making the glass for the grubworm will be little challenge for the big glass companies like Old Castle, Oregon Glass or Millguard.

by NineInchNachos on 6/25/2010 @ 11:49am
looks like OJ has fans in the TNT:


by The Jinxmedic on 6/25/2010 @ 12:12pm
O&J called it. It's a grubworm. An amazing, world class grubworm, but a grubworm nonetheless.

I think the museum will need a snack bar simply entitled "grub!".


by Dave_L on 6/25/2010 @ 6:21pm
Oh, stop it. Sometimes I make up stuff, too, without realizing it. But you remember stuff after you've driven by the Dome and stared at it so often during its formative years.
I've seen the drawings and specs of the Grub, but didn't take the opportunity to look at them. But as jinxmedic knows, one of the LeMay board members is an officer of said secret society, eluded to Mr. Bjornson, and drawing the curiousity of RR. I bet he can answer some questions.
Oh, Fredo this came up before (on 133, I think) but I can't remember (see?).... Did you (or anyone else here) go scrawl your name the top-out beam when they invited the public?
Morgan has a wonderful vintage book on the Dome.
The excellent History link offers the following www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPag...
Wait - Fredo, look at this:

by NineInchNachos on 6/25/2010 @ 6:30pm
i'm inspired to make a mini Cadillac Ranch using wornout hotwheels and clay I picked up from the beach. Should be a fun addition to the HFW museum.

by NineInchNachos on 6/25/2010 @ 6:56pm
or carhenge?




by fredo on 6/25/2010 @ 7:00pm
According to Dave L.s amazing link, it wasn't Sabbath, but rather AC/DC and the pyrotechnic was a military style flare gun.

by NineInchNachos on 6/26/2010 @ 10:11am
"Every president since Richard Nixon has vowed to strive to make the United States energy independent. So why hasn't the U.S. succeeded? Host Scott Simon talks with R. James "Jim" Woolsey, the former Director of Central Intelligence, about why successive presidential administrations have failed and what we need to do to achieve energy independence."


commentary: basically the dude from the CIA says america will never get rid of our oil dependence because of our homicidal reliance on automobiles.

Maybe we can get Reverend Billy over here for a LeMay grubworm exorcism!

by jenyum on 6/26/2010 @ 3:17pm
Be nice to the crows, they won't forget!


by The Jinxmedic on 6/28/2010 @ 10:42am
Crows would take over, given the chance. That's why I am nice to them.

by Non Sequitur on 6/28/2010 @ 11:00pm
What happened to the "cowl of a hood scoop" design?

by The Jinxmedic on 6/29/2010 @ 8:23am
I think that's what the grubworm is supposed to be.

by L.S.Erhardt on 6/30/2010 @ 11:16pm
They're building a car museum in Nanjing that looks radically different that the LeMay one. This museum will be viewable in two ways. On foot and (you guessed it) drive-thru. Yup, you'll be able to tour the car museum from your car.

by NineInchNachos on 7/1/2010 @ 8:22am
thorax, that image isn't much better. looks like a borg cube took a dump on planet earth.

by Non Sequitur on 7/1/2010 @ 1:56pm
I propose we build a Borg-assimilated grubworm.
We can then have Patrick Stewart welcome the visitors~

"Greetings. I am Moveo Vestri of Borg..."

by The Jinxmedic on 7/1/2010 @ 2:41pm
Hmmm... ...Borg-Warner perhaps?

by Dave_L on 7/1/2010 @ 4:13pm

by NineInchNachos on 9/26/2011 @ 1:39pm
wasn't this 'rich man's Quonset hut supposed to glow or something?  www.tacomaweekly.com/news/view/full-spee...

by The Jinxmedic on 9/26/2011 @ 2:52pm
I do believe that the early architectural renderings showed a translucent roof...

by NineInchNachos on 9/26/2011 @ 2:55pm
looks like they had to scale back the vision.  now in airsteam aluminum www.tacomaweekly.com/assets/tacomaweekly...

by The Jinxmedic on 9/26/2011 @ 3:35pm
I have been watching the construction very closely when I walk past it every weekend. It stopped being translucent a lonnnng time ago.

by Erik on 9/26/2011 @ 3:44pm
Pretty cool now.  They have some lights on inside on both sides.

The museum is waking up!

by Nick on 9/26/2011 @ 3:57pm
I'm sure there were many adjustments along the way to keep things in budget. From what I've heard, even the overall design for the building went through a number of iterations.
As a side note, I wonder if the second phase will ever be built... It was supposed to be much larger/more substantial than the first phase.

by The Jinxmedic on 9/26/2011 @ 4:02pm
The current project -phase 1- has room to display 450 vehicles. There are still well over a thousand vehicles in the greater collection. I imagine that Le May will be rotating exhibits in and out of the Maryhill facility for some time to come.

by NineInchNachos on 9/26/2011 @ 4:05pm
wonder how much money they could have saved using real quonset huts 

by The Jinxmedic on 9/26/2011 @ 4:51pm
A real quonset hut would be a historical artifact, and couldn't be moved. (Unless it was in Tacoma, then it could be torn down...)

by Erik on 9/27/2011 @ 1:02am

It glows!

by NineInchNachos on 9/27/2011 @ 1:09am

by The Jinxmedic on 9/27/2011 @ 9:39am
It's a cast-off cicada shell.

by low bar on 9/27/2011 @ 4:30pm
I think the design is badass. But I think we should give it to the Puyalup tribe for them to fill up with things more interesting then cars thank you. No international tourist in their right mind is going to give a fuck about cars thank you. Detroit must be looking at Tacoma like huh? Thats a mighty big ass structure to be building in a city WITH ZERO FUCKING CAR INDUSTRY HISTORY! Unless of course you want to fill the thing with Japanese and Korean jalopies from the 60's and 70's seeing the whore port of Tacoma's been letting those pieces of shit in HISTORICALLY. Thanks:) Tourist economy: Seattle has it, Tacoma doesn't know what it is.

by NineInchNachos on 9/27/2011 @ 4:48pm
a LeMay demolition derby at the Dome would be fun.